EU Conducts Antitrust Raid on Intel

Arcygenical said:
That pisses me off though. They're doing well, and want to boost sales numbers by making their products more enticing.

I'm all for protecting competition, but why stifle innovation in the process.
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HOLY SHIT! DIDN'T YOU HEAR? SELLING CPUS FOR LESS IS A CRIME!
 
Arcygenical said:
That pisses me off though. They're doing well, and want to boost sales numbers by making their products more enticing.

I'm all for protecting competition, but why stifle innovation in the process.
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You quoted the reason, pull your head out of your ass.
slashing prices of their processors below cost
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This is illegal.

I don't think Intel is really doing this, although maybe there are for bulk shipments to OEMs. I don't know, none of us have all the facts. But if the accusation is true, then it is indeed illegal, and it stifles innovation and the competitive market.
 
Someone care to explain why selling CPUs for FUCKING LESS is a crime? Does the EU hate a good bargin? Do they WANT to spend more on their PCs? Or are they just all MORONS?
 
L33t Masta said:
Someone care to explain why selling CPUs for FUCKING LESS is a crime? Does the EU hate a good bargin? Do they WANT to spend more on their PCs? Or are they just all MORONS?
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Selling them for less than AMD does, is not the problem.

If a company sells something for less than it cost to manufacture, then it's illegal.
 
hehe gotta love these

an American company breaks EU law and is reported by an American and the Americans think it is all abt the EU attacking the US

it never ceases to amaze me how stupid Americans can be
I mean the EU never fines Europeans companies that break EU laws do the? Oh wait
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/012407-eu-fines-siemens-for-role.html
The European Commission Wednesday imposed the €418.7 million ($542 million) fine for Siemens' involvement in a cartel fixing prices in the gas-isolated switchgear systems (GIS) market. Eleven companies were fined a total of €750.7 million with Siemens being fined the most for its cartel leadership activities.
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Maybe America should investigate things themselves I mean, Microsoft is a convicted monopolist in the US ... and what happened? nothing! took the EU and Japan to hand out the punishment
 
Hurdler said:
Selling them for less than AMD does, is not the problem.

If a company sells something for less than it cost to manufacture, then it's illegal.
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Why? They do them with Xboxes and PS3s. How is this illegal? They PAID for the product to be maid, why can they not dictate what priuce to sell them at? DO PEOPLE LIKE TO SPEND MORE ON THEIR CPUS?
 
L33t Masta said:
Why? They do them with Xboxes and PS3s. How is this illegal? They PAID for the product to be maid, why can they not dictate what priuce to sell them at? DO PEOPLE LIKE TO SPEND MORE ON THEIR CPUS?
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*sigh* here we go little boy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing

Predatory pricing (also known as destroyer pricing) is the practice of a firm selling a product at very low price with the intent of driving competitors out of the market, or create a barrier to entry into the market for potential new competitors. If the other firms cannot sustain equal or lower prices without losing money, they go out of business. The predatory pricer then has fewer competitors or even a monopoly, allowing it to raise prices above what the market would otherwise bear.
In many countries, including the United States, predatory pricing is considered anti-competitive and is illegal under antitrust laws. However, it is usually difficult to prove that a drop in prices is due to predatory pricing rather than normal competition, and predatory pricing claims are difficult to prove due to high legal hurdles designed to protect legitimate price competition.
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If nintendo wanted they could of raised the whole Xbox* and PS* being made at a loss to drive them out HOWEVER they are making a killing with the wii



THAT is hte difference
 
eeyrjmr said:
*sigh* here we go little boy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing



If nintendo wanted they could of raised the whole Xbox* and PS* being made at a loss to drive them out HOWEVER they are making a killing with the wii



THAT is hte difference
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OH I SEE! So basically the whole thing relies on wanting to make people pay more for shit. WELL HOLY CRAP! LETS MAKE EVERYONE RAISE THE PRICES ON EVERYTHING! It's like stupidity itself took a human form and made that term. Maybe AMD should PRICE MATCH Intel and then there wouldn't be a problem! Too bad AMD is so far back in the game that at this point nothing is going to bring them back. But honestly, if you guys think it's cool to pay more for your CPUs you go right ahead and do that. And I'm sorry, Grandpa, if I'm younger than you.
 
L33t Masta said:
Why? They do them with Xboxes and PS3s. How is this illegal? They PAID for the product to be maid, why can they not dictate what priuce to sell them at? DO PEOPLE LIKE TO SPEND MORE ON THEIR CPUS?
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It's a practice called dumping.
 
aShrubbery! said:
It's a practice called dumping.
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IT MAKES NO SENSE! Why would they want to put a limit on how low something can be sold? They're fucking over consumers like you and me by doing it because then we have to pay MORE for things like CPUs!
 
L33t Masta said:
Or are they just all MORONS?
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The EC is acting out of protectionism and greed, not really stupidity.

This was not an investigation called for by consumers. A "competitor" with uncompetitive products called for it. :p Hopefully the next EC hosting country doesn't just base investigations on pathetic competitors' complaints and has a less communist view of the marketplace.
 
L33t Masta said:
IT MAKES NO SENSE! Why would they want to put a limit on how low something can be sold? They're fucking over consumers like you and me by doing it because then we have to pay MORE for things like CPUs!
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no they are NOT!
they are protecting the consumer!!!
IF intel are guilty of this and AMD were driven out of the market then intel would be the only high-end x86 maker and they can then just set the price, not only that no innovation would occur and the CPU market would stagnate

so please tell me how either of those are good for the consumer
 
pxc said:
The EC is acting out of protectionism and greed, not really stupidity.

This was not an investigation called for by consumers. A "competitor" with uncompetitive products called for it. :p Hopefully the next EC hosting country doesn't just base investigations on pathetic competitors' complaints and has a less communist view of the marketplace.
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right so an AMERICAN company raises a complaint against an AMERICAN company and it is the EU that you are accusing of "protectionism"

protecting what, that well know EU CPU manufacturer?.... ARM?
if Intel can't do the time, they shouldn't do the crime

IF the US legal system had any balls they would of sorted this out themselves
 
eeyrjmr said:
no they are NOT!
they are protecting the consumer!!!
IF intel are guilty of this and AMD were driven out of the market then intel would be the only high-end x86 maker and they can then just set the price, not only that no innovation would occur and the CPU market would stagnate

so please tell me how either of those are good for the consumer
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Intel couldn't go from setti ng prices really low to setting them really high, even if they were the only CPU maufacturer. They're screwing us out of cash by making people sell things higher than if they wanted to. If Intel wants to sell me a C2D for $20 let them! I won't complain! Intel has the fastest CPUs and AMD is already never going to catch up so it's useless for them to try, just let intel sell me cheap CPUs.
 
L33t Masta said:
Too bad AMD is so far back in the game that at this point nothing is going to bring them back. But honestly, if you guys think it's cool to pay more for your CPUs you go right ahead and do that.
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It's in our own that AMD comes back, or else you will be paying through the nose what Intel wants you to. THEN you will be paying more for less.
Competition is good for the market. AMD is having a rough time right now.

FIY I am running an AMD, but am planning to buy Intel's new E8400. My beef with Intel is their alleged dubious practices, not their innovative capabilities.
If they actually did what they are being accused of, then they should be fined. If not, they should be let go. Right now, Intel is doing great, and it's good for all of us.

EVEN, if the practices they are accused of were legal in the US, they might not be anywhere else. We are all bound to the laws of the land, and if you fail to abide by them, then you will have to face the consequences. Businesses are not dispensed from that fact.
In matters of law - including business law - the fact of how big or popular the company is irrelevant.

NOTE, however, that AMDs allegation don't go back where Intel introduced the C2D, but authorities have been keeping an eye on Intel for the last 6 years.
So, it partially dates back to the time where AMD was king of the hill with their Athlon line. Back then Intel did everything to have OEMs stay with Intel, and not sell PCs with AMD CPUS in them.
 
eeyrjmr said:
right so an AMERICAN company raises a complaint against an AMERICAN company and it is the EU that you are accusing of "protectionism"

protecting what, that well know EU CPU manufacturer?.... ARM?
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Gee, due to x86 licensing restrictions, AMD can only outsource a small fraction of CPU production. AMD's "Sunnyvale FAB" must be where it manufactures all those CPUs. :rolleyes:

It would be ridiculous to suggest that AMD manufactures the vast majority of it's products in Europe, or that it receives economic incentives (corporate welfare) based on the assumption that it keeps the fab busy to support the local economy.
 
pxc said:
The EC is acting out of protectionism and greed, not really stupidity.
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Protectionism would involve national economical interests. And the EU is not the beneficiary of any AMD profits I wonder why they would resort to protectionism. AMD is not a EU company or money making machine.

As of yet, they don't know if Intel will be fined or not. And if Intel's horde of lawyers can't fight off the 'wrongful' claims, then they aren't so wrongful in the end.
 
Actually selling something less than its manufactured cost is NOT illegal.


It is only illegal if you are purposely trying to kill the competition that way!
 
Nice.....

AMD's complaint strikingly resembles a case back in 2000 when, prior to its merger with HP, Compaq constantly received threats from Intel when doing business with AMD. In one case, Intel withheld much-needed processors for Compaq's servers until it promised to stop doing business with AMD. Compaq CEO Michael Capellas, according to the suit, said he had no choice because "he had a gun to his head."
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aShrubbery! said:
If Intel were engaging in anti-competitive practices, i.e. "abuse of a dominant position" as mentionned in the article, authorities would have the obligation to intervene. If there are allegations of any wrongdoings they should be investigated, whether you're the underdog or the top competitor.
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nah, they would just bribe some politicians and judges :)
 
Going by the computer and electronics stores, both large and small in my city, and the capital city and then Gothenburg, Intel had this coming. None of them except privately run brick & mortar stores with guys who know more about computers than how to turn it on stocked nothing but Intel, ask for AMD anything and you'd be told that they don't have it, but they can order it for you. Ask for Intel processors and they have the entire range, or at least half of it.
 
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