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It's not about market share, it's about business practices. I posted links to the FTC competition guidance earlier. The suit is available in full and explains the allegations.
Right. Not only did players get screwed, developers have as well (at least in the potential loss and/or uncertainty).I’m fine if Epic wants to go after Apple, they should find a way to not screw over their customers first though.
Right. Not only did players get screwed, developers have as well (at least in the potential loss and/or uncertainty).
Before Epic pulled this stunt, everyone was happy. Gamers were gaming, developers were developing, and both Apple and Epic were both making billions of dollars.
No one was hurting. Now everyone is hurting, because of Epic's boneheaded PR stunt. While I don't really agree with Apple, I can still see this is a stunt, and so far it hasn't helped anyone.
MatPat does have a point here. Epic maybe looking to put their own store on iOS by using this to give them the legal rights to do so. I wonder how many exclusives Epic is going to buy on iOS?
It's not even a maybe, that's exactly what Epic is trying to do. Clearly stated in the emails Sweeney sent to Cook.
That part I agree with, I just don't think it was worth jeopardizing Unreal Engine over.
Well a number of consumers bought Fortnite in good faith from Epic and Apple (Apple did receive 30% of the $). By Apple cutting off Fortnite from updates and other upgrades are they going to refund 30% back? Is Epic going to refund the 70% by not obeying the rules Apple set? Consumers I suspect could also get a lawsuit going against both companies, class action suite.
Monopoly's do not have to be world wide or Country wide, for example local cable channel could be a monopoly (sanction one) even though just limited to a given area. Basically able to control the price without competition. I don't think Epic has a case against Apple as a Monopoly since so far no court or oversight has concluded that. Have no clue where this will all lead, do find it interesting.
So those that differ from your tastes are suckers? Ok. Now if I bought a game through a service and that service decided to change what was expected and what I paid for, I will probably be upset. In any case, I can see a new case from the users fighting back as well to Epic, Apple or both.You didn’t buy fortnite, you bought ingame currency to spend on shit. The biggest suckers here are the consumers who support this sort of trash
Well a number of consumers bought Fortnite in good faith from Epic and Apple (Apple did receive 30% of the $). By Apple cutting off Fortnite from updates and other upgrades are they going to refund 30% back? Is Epic going to refund the 70% by not obeying the rules Apple set? Consumers I suspect could also get a lawsuit going against both companies, class action suite.
Monopoly's do not have to be world wide or Country wide, for example local cable channel could be a monopoly (sanction one) even though just limited to a given area. Basically able to control the price without competition. I don't think Epic has a case against Apple as a Monopoly since so far no court or oversight has concluded that. Have no clue where this will all lead, do find it interesting.
Yes, if Epic plans to have this be a drawn out multi-year litigation, they should do a right thing and refund the money these customers paid who now cannot play the game.
Someone has Apple stock.Yes, if Epic plans to have this be a drawn out multi-year litigation, they should do a right thing and refund the money these customers paid who now cannot play the game.
I've been following it on Twitter. Fortnite players are mad at Epic, they are not maybe the dumb 1984 drones Epic thought they would be.
It's plainly evident to everyone that Epic pulled this stunt, refused to comply with the court, and created a false emergency where there was none.
Kind of sad really. Now I'm questioning if I should even keep bothering with Unreal Engine at this point, seeing as Epic seems to have no concern for either their customers or developers.
Someone has Apple stock.
Clearly someone else here has Apple stock. He's blaming Epic for this lawsuit, and seems to think Apple is innocent. Apple had this coming for a long time now and it took someone like Epic to bring it to light. The issue here is Apple device, Apple store, Apple rules, and you pay Apple 30%. As MatPat pointed out there's no limit where Apple could take this from micro-transactions to college tuition since some people use Apple devices to take courses online. The reality is you own the device and while Apple made it, they shouldn't determine how you use it and who you pay to get the apps for it. It's a monopoly and Apple needs to allow other stores to operate on iOS devices weather you like it or not. The only people who agree with Apple and their monopolistic control are those with Apple stock.Clearly you have not been reading his posts.
Clearly someone else here has Apple stock. He's blaming Epic for this lawsuit, and seems to think Apple is innocent. Apple had this coming for a long time now and it took someone like Epic to bring it to light. The issue here is Apple device, Apple store, Apple rules, and you pay Apple 30%. As MatPat pointed out there's no limit where Apple could take this from micro-transactions to college tuition since some people use Apple devices to take courses online. The reality is you own the device and while Apple made it, they shouldn't determine how you use it and who you pay to get the apps for it. It's a monopoly and Apple needs to allow other stores to operate on iOS devices weather you like it or not. The only people who agree with Apple and their monopolistic control are those with Apple stock.
Clearly someone else here has Apple stock. He's blaming Epic for this lawsuit, and seems to think Apple is innocent. Apple had this coming for a long time now and it took someone like Epic to bring it to light. The issue here is Apple device, Apple store, Apple rules, and you pay Apple 30%. As MatPat pointed out there's no limit where Apple could take this from micro-transactions to college tuition since some people use Apple devices to take courses online. The reality is you own the device and while Apple made it, they shouldn't determine how you use it and who you pay to get the apps for it. It's a monopoly and Apple needs to allow other stores to operate on iOS devices weather you like it or not. The only people who agree with Apple and their monopolistic control are those with Apple stock.
I know you're playing me but, you're right. Other than the Warmart and BMW quote because they're retarded, but the rest makes sense. You bought the hardware and therefore you should be able to do with it what you want, including where you get your apps. Generally this is good for the consumer as this drives down prices.Sure thing. Any whole they are at it, Epic should make their own app store for XBox, PlayStation, Samsung Smart TVs, and internet connected BMWs... Then setup a physical location right inside Walmart’s too, because it’s only fair Epic can dictate how others do business.
In what way is Apple a monopoly? They are less than .1% of the server market, less than 10% of the Laptop/desktop market, and less than 15% of the mobile market... They have competitors in every single market they are in and in every one they are marginal at best. Except for one, their profit margin. Apple makes up less than 15% of the global mobile devices but like 60% of all the global revenue and that is what Epic is after. But in no way is Apple a Monopoly.Break up a monopoly and set stronger precedents for breaking up other tech monopolies.
In what way is Apple a monopoly? They are less than .1% of the server market, less than 10% of the Laptop/desktop market, and less than 15% of the mobile market... They have competitors in every single market they are in and in every one they are marginal at best. Except for one, their profit margin. Apple makes up less than 15% of the global mobile devices but like 60% of all the global revenue and that is what Epic is after. But in no way is Apple a Monopoly.
Apple is technically an Oligopoly, since they have total control over the devices they sell to people. So much so that Apple has removed Fortnite from Apple devices as Apple has the power to do so. Oligopoly is like a legal monopoly because you do technically have competition but you also don't within a limited section of the market.In what way is Apple a monopoly?
Within their 15% mobile market, Apple has no competitor. On Android you see a lot of other stores that you can install as an alternative to Google Play.They are less than .1% of the server market, less than 10% of the Laptop/desktop market, and less than 15% of the mobile market... They have competitors in every single market they are in and in every one they are marginal at best.
Also 15% of the mobile devices is nothing to sneeze at. And those who own iOS devices are more likely to spend money than Android owners as well.Except for one, their profit margin. Apple makes up less than 15% of the global mobile devices but like 60% of all the global revenue and that is what Epic is after. But in no way is Apple a Monopoly.
Asked and answered like five times already.In what way is Apple a monopoly?
Asked and answered like five times already.
Apple is technically an Oligopoly, since they have total control over the devices they sell to people. So much so that Apple has removed Fortnite from Apple devices as Apple has the power to do so. Oligopoly is like a legal monopoly because you do technically have competition but you also don't within a limited section of the market.
Within their 15% mobile market, Apple has no competitor. On Android you see a lot of other stores that you can install as an alternative to Google Play.
Also 15% of the mobile devices is nothing to sneeze at. And those who own iOS devices are more likely to spend money than Android owners as well.
anti-trust: opposed to trusts, monopolies, or other large combinations of business or capital which threaten fair competition; designed to protect trade and commerce from unfair business practices.
Epic Games, which makes Fortnite, then sued Apple in federal court, accusing the company of violating antitrust laws by forcing developers to use its payment systems.
Apple is technically an Oligopoly, since they have total control over the devices they sell to people. So much so that Apple has removed Fortnite from Apple devices as Apple has the power to do so. Oligopoly is like a legal monopoly because you do technically have competition but you also don't within a limited section of the market.
Within their 15% mobile market, Apple has no competitor. On Android you see a lot of other stores that you can install as an alternative to Google Play.
Also 15% of the mobile devices is nothing to sneeze at. And those who own iOS devices are more likely to spend money than Android owners as well.
Apple is technically an Oligopoly, since they have total control over the devices they sell to people. So much so that Apple has removed Fortnite from Apple devices as Apple has the power to do so. Oligopoly is like a legal monopoly because you do technically have competition but you also don't within a limited section of the market.
Within their 15% mobile market, Apple has no competitor. On Android you see a lot of other stores that you can install as an alternative to Google Play.
Also 15% of the mobile devices is nothing to sneeze at. And those who own iOS devices are more likely to spend money than Android owners as well.