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e4500 vs. e2180

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MrHood22

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Hi. I've made some posts about suggestions for my new/first intel build and I didn't get much help. I basically narrowed it down to the 4500 or e2180(or e2160) but i'm open to suggestions if you have them.

I don't have the money to go out and buy a Q6600 or something "high end" so please try to keep suggestions reasonable.

Plans: Gaming mainly. It will most likely be running on Vista Ultimate x64 with 2 more gigs of m ram (totaling 4 gigs 4-4-4-12) I do plan to OC them to 3.0ghz+. Cooling isn't a big issue cuz my max temp on my oced x2 4000 is ~43c.

e4500: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115031
Advantages:
Higher stock frequency (2.2ghz compared to e2180 2.0ghz. This doens't matter as much cuz i'm going to OC both anyway)
C2D > Pentium Dual core (right???)
2mb Cache compared to the e2180's 1mb

e2180: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116052
Advantages:
$40 cheaper



What are the average OC's for both these CPU's? Max?
I'm probably gonna pair my CPU with a Gigabyte P35 ($90) and some aftermarket cooling (Zerotherm Nirvana?). I'm gonna order this on April 28th for my birthday when I get my paypal account.

Thanks.
 
Hi. I'm not sure how dead set you are on that April 28th purchase date, but apparently a new core 2 cpu called an e7200 is coming out in May. From what I understand, this is the first of the e7000 series that are the wolfdale replacement for the conroe e4x00 series. I know there is ALWAYS something better coming out around the corner in the area of computer hardware, but in this case it seems you may just have to wait a tiny bit longer to get a better processor than that e4500 for not much more money. In the one review in that [H] thread about it I linked above, it seems to run right with an e6750 performance-wise. And at a price point that's supposed to be in the mid $130's that sounds pretty good to me.
 
hmmm. One of the main reasons i'm even considering the e4500 ($120) is because Intel is supposed to cut prices April 20th and it will be down at $100ish which is my price range roughly.

How long would I have to wait.
 
I have an E4500 and it's overclocked to 3 Ghz, with a 10x multiplier, can't reliably get it any higher, but for the price it is great.

 
so with these 2 reviews it seems like the e21xx is the better buy?
 
Only difference is the cache...
In my opinion it's not worth the extra cash for the E4xxx's.
 
Gaming only, I dont know if the cache will help you that much. Might as well save some $.

Just FYI my 4500 is at 3.3.
 
Chances are on a budget that your video card will be the bottleneck, not the CPU if you're OCing to 3+Ghz
 
I don't think my OCed 8800GT will be that much of a Bottleneck.

So right now it looks like the e2180 is a better buy.
 
s4rge said:
take 2mb cache over 1mb if your gaming =] the more cache
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Will I really see that big of a performance increase?

How will it benefit?

I was under the assumption that if I had more cache it would load faster when I clicked the Launcher on my desktop and that's about it.
 
Good Point. Maybe i'll go with the e4500. Hopefully the price dips alot.
 
This is the chart for the planned price cuts. Maybe it will help you decide.

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Thank you aldon.

I noticed the e4500 isn't listed and from what I gather the e4500, e4600, e4700 are the exact same CPU but just have a different stock frequency. So if the e4600 drops to ~$113 then that would mean the e4500 will drop to ~$105ish?
 
wait so could an e4700 OC better then an e4500 on average?!?

I thought an e4x00 was the same CPU but Intel set them at different default speeds so they could sell them at different prices.
 
Yeah the E4x00's all have different multipliers.
E4500 is 11x I think.

A quick Google will reveal all!
 
Incidentally, the names "Core 2 Duo" and "Pentium Dual Core" are just names - they're both Core 2 architecture. The Pentium Dual Core name is just used for the lower-end ones with less cache, it doesn't mean they're actually Netburst processors or something (those are the Pentium D).
 
Mithent said:
Incidentally, the names "Core 2 Duo" and "Pentium Dual Core" are just names - they're both Core 2 architecture. The Pentium Dual Core name is just used for the lower-end ones with less cache, it doesn't mean they're actually Netburst processors or something (those are the Pentium D).
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That's Intel's way of saying "Buy our expensive CPU's so you can get the cool arch name."
 
Well I didn't want the e4500 because it's a C2D. I just wanted it because I'm being told that 2mb cache helps more then 1mb cache in gaming and the e2180 only has 1mb cache.
 
MrHood22 said:
I don't think my OCed 8800GT will be that much of a Bottleneck.

So right now it looks like the e2180 is a better buy.
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Depends on what resolution you're going to play at....

If you're that hardcore I'd personally save a few extra dollars or sell something and get an e8200 or Q6600.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-shootout_4.html#sect0

It's not really that much money, pick up a couple extra hours of work or sell some stuff on ebay... you'd be getting atleast 30% or better FPS in games.

hell, buy something used from the forums and get way better performance for less money:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1294328
 
Well it's not a matter of not having the money to afford the stuff, it's more of a matter of not wanting to spend that much.

Also, I will be playing at a high resolution.

I ordered a Samsung 22" 2ms monitor. I can't recall the max res but long story short, I will be playing at the highest res I can (with good fps on a 8800GT)
 
fair enough, you might consider going with a used proc, they pop up pretty often it seems, and a 6550 is definitely better than a 2180 or a 4500.
 
I really don't want to spend over $150 on a CPU. What would you guys say the best thing I could get for $150 new? used?
 
MrHood22 said:
I really don't want to spend over $150 on a CPU. What would you guys say the best thing I could get for $150 new? used?
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For $150 used, you might be able to find a good deal on a E6550 or E6600. I would take both of those over a E2XXX or E4XXX.
 
E7200 when it comes out i would guess. just dont get the e21x0 =] I almost did but waited abit and got something thats better with gaming.
 
s4rge said:
E7200 when it comes out i would guess. just dont get the e21x0 =] I almost did but waited abit and got something thats better with gaming.
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Honestly, at the price point those CPU's are at, they are great performers. $65 or so? Can't beat that at all.
 
s4rge said:
E7200 when it comes out i would guess. just dont get the e21x0 =] I almost did but waited abit and got something thats better with gaming.
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What exactly is the performance difference between an E2140 at 3.2 GHz and any of the high-end C2D's at 3.6+ GHz? I mean that's not really a question, since I already know the answer.

Especially considering the price difference.
E2140 can be had for roughly $60 if you look well enough. A lot of places have the E2160/E2180 cheaper than the E2140, oddly enough... And comparing the performance difference, you wouldn't expect it to be so cheap.

And NewEgg is sold out of them:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116037

Their popularity really took off the past few months.
I've done a lot of systems with E21x0's and I've never seen any of them SOLD OUT on NewEgg until recently.

Even companies like Dell switched their cheapest systems from AMD Sempron 3600's to the E2160 this year.
 
I would rather have the e4500. I was debating on this very same decision a couple months ago. I wanted a second gaming rig, and since I arleady have my primary one, I was looking to go budget. In the end, I decided on the e4500. I have it running at 3GHz on a stock intel cooler with no stability or temp issues to speak of. I'm sure it can go higher, but this particular machine is only running a x1950 Pro card so 3GHz is more than enough.

When debating between two processors, I always go for the one with the higher cache. Certain games benifit more from cache than others.
 
So the e7200 will be had for $140ish I thought I saw somewhere. Is that true?

When does the e7200 come out?
 
Ahh my bad. I didn't bother to look at the chart on the 1st page of this post.

It says the e7200 is coming out May 11th for $133. I have 2 questions.

-Is it for sure coming out May 11th or is that the estimated time it's coming out?

-Will it be $133 on May 11th? The 8800GT was supposed to be $250ish when it came out and within a week it was being sold for $320. Do you think that will happen with the e7200?

Basically, I don't want to hold off on pulling the trigger and then have the price double or have the release date pushed back a month.

Also, with that Gigabyte P35 ($90) support the 45nm e7200?
 
Bios update is probably needed on the board for the new CPU.

I would imagine that the CPU won't go for more than $140. Availability might be an issue, but if there are decently priced E8XXX processors out, the demand might not be such as to drive it out of stock immediately upon release.
 
So if I buy the P35 and the e7200 does that mean i'd have to buy a 2nd CPU in order to update my BIOS for my mobo?

If so, what if I just got the bios and burnt it to a CD from another computer then put in the e7200 and P35 and booted from CD?
 
Your CPU needs to be working right to boot off of a CD.

It might work without a bios update as long as the bios supports 45nm CPU's. If it does, then it might boot, just not recognize the CPU you're using, but still let you do whatever you need to do to flash to a newer bios.
 
Does anyone know if the Gigabyte P35 ($90) will boot a 45nm CPU (e7200?). I know there is a BIOS update out there that will make 45nm compatible with it but I can't find anywhere if it will actually boot with the e7200 to enable me to update the BIOS so it all runs ok.
 
If I were you I would e-mail the manufacturer of the motherboard you plan on buying and ask if that new cpu is expected to boot up properly in that motherboard without needing a bios update first. That way you'll have a response in writing from the manufacturer that you can remind them of if there is a problem. Us anonymous internet folk can say anything, but if we're wrong it's hard to hold our feet to the fire:D. Not to discount contributions on forums like this, but in this case we're talking about a cpu that hasn't been released yet, so noone here will have actual experience with it yet.
 
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