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E4300 on the 'Egg

Not lame at all. Whoops the E6300. Very easy to get up and over 3.2 GHz on the stock heatsink/fan.

Granted the E6X00 series has a different architecture for the cache, this is still a great chip. The 9X FSB multiplier makes it easy to get this smokin' fast.

Prices will be very low shortly too. I'm not waiting, though. Want to see what a Thermaltake CL-P0310 combined with a Xclio (two 20 CM fans @ 300 CFM/minute/each supposedly)

The E4400 should be a smokin' overclock chip too when it comes out.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=149868

And another:
http://images14.fotosik.pl/46/59d0dd0214778fe1.jpg

And another:
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn/pic/e4300/clip_3.jpg
original thread for that pic: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=130558
(long load times on the pictures, even on 5 mbps for me)
 
You have to admit, to have the same cpu as the 6300 with a lower fsb yet it costs more makes no sense other than supply/demand crap. I want this cpu, but will never pay that inflated crappy price.
 
E4300 for $189 is not a good deal... I bought my E6300 for $150 and have it @ 3 ghz stock vcore... I'm VDIMM modding my ASUS P5B vanilla and this chip will fly further with higher FSB and perform better than E4300 overclocked.
 
Another thing to consider is that if an E4300 and E6300 are the same price then you take into account the price of the components to go with them....the E4300 system comes out significantly cheaper if you plan to OC at all eh?

So, if you want to buy a system now, you might spend $30.00 more on the processor than if you waited two months but you'd more than make up for that in the price difference between RAM and motherboard?
 
Marvelous said:
E4300 for $189 is not a good deal... I bought my E6300 for $150...
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Exactly, its simply not worth buying yet from newegg. Yes, its got a higher multiplier, for us enthusiasts thats a wonderful thing, but the actual stock speeds are slower than the 6300 and it costs more, thats what annoys me (1.8ghz x2@800mhz fsb vs. 1.8ghz x2@1066mhz bus). Newegg always does this though, its no surprise.
 
Feileung said:
Another thing to consider is that if an E4300 and E6300 are the same price then you take into account the price of the components to go with them....the E4300 system comes out significantly cheaper if you plan to OC at all eh?

So, if you want to buy a system now, you might spend $30.00 more on the processor than if you waited two months but you'd more than make up for that in the price difference between RAM and motherboard?
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Yeah but what about upgrade ability? If you buy cheap ram/motherboard you won't be able to run faster core 2 duo later on... It's wise and spend the money on ram and kentfield compatible motherboard...
 
Tiger Direct now has it marked down to 174.99...5bucks cheaper than when they first posted it for sale...
 
The E4300 is awesome CPU, but it's just not worth $190. Maybe $130, then it will be a good deal.
 
brucedeluxe169 said:
so incredibly lame
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I've been feeling like that about Newegg for a while now. Oh well, it could be worst. Newegg could have charged what ZZF is charging for it.

I want this CPU but I'm going to have to wait until those numbers reach closer to that $145 mark. Until then I might as well get an E6300 (which just means more waiting for me, that or AM2).
 
The only thing the E4300 doesn't have that the E6300 has is VT. Oh noes @ 66MHz on the FSB!!!!!! That is the end of the worldz!
 
Marvelous said:
That 66mhz looks more like 200-300mhz difference in benchmarks.. And the fact that this CPU is supposed to be around $150...

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2903&p=6
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E4300 = 1.8GHz
E6300= 1.86GHz
Difference= 60MHz

I guess another way to look at this processor, a budget E6600 with only 2MB cache, because it has the same multiplier. 3.32GHz on stock cooling is also very nice for a cheap that will become the cheapest C2D soon.
 
buffbiff21 said:
Whats that?
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Not at this price, but the $ spent to performance ratio will whoop the E6300 once it lowers in Q2.

The 9X multiplier makes it easier to OC too. But all in all the E6300 has the better architecture.

What I figure, I don't feel like waiting so I'm going to get the E4300 and see how high it'll go. Then later on, just swap in a quad core, once they're cheaper.
 
I just now bought the 6300 and since I don't plan on OC'ing for quite some time I am very happy.

I may in the future, but sometimes the hassles of overclocking and volt modding outweigh the benefits.

So stock/same OC 6300 wins, and it cost less so im happy (plus its a higher number so people who know nothing about computers will assume it to be better/cost more)
 
I use VMware and the 4x series sucks with it...

I'm waiting for all these different price-point chips to force the retail channel into a better alignment with Intel's pricing policy. Then I'm going to build another couple E6600 boxen.

So, I'm digging on the 4x series because it will be the next "gotta have it chip" for the guys that are causing the pricing weirdness.
 
That is way over priced for a cpu at that speed with features gutted out of it...:eek:
 
Magik Smoke said:
I use VMware and the 4x series sucks with it...

I'm waiting for all these different price-point chips to force the retail channel into a better alignment with Intel's pricing policy. Then I'm going to build another couple E6600 boxen.

So, I'm digging on the 4x series because it will be the next "gotta have it chip" for the guys that are causing the pricing weirdness.
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What do you mean, the 4xxx series sucks at VMware? I ask because I'm considering a E4300 and I plan on running VMware and the F@H SMP client.
 
The Goose said:
What do you mean, the 4xxx series sucks at VMware? I ask because I'm considering a E4300 and I plan on running VMware and the F@H SMP client.
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4xxx series does not support Intel Virtualization Technology

That feature of the Conroe was gutted out of the 4000's
 
wdn said:
4xxx series does not support Intel Virtualization Technology

That feature of the Conroe was gutted out of the 4000's
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I thought VT was the ability to have both Windows and Linux installed, and VMware was just a Linux emulator for Windows?
 
independantvariable said:
So stock/same OC 6300 wins, and it cost less
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Actually, the E4300 will cost less, its just a brand new product so it has a high premium. It's going to cost a lot less come price drops. And on the same overclock, assuming you are talking about the FSB, the E4300 is going to outperform the E6300 because it uses a higher multiplier.

The E4300 also runs at a lower stock voltage, which means it uses less power, I believe 20 watts less.
 
TheGardenTool said:
E4300 = 1.8GHz
E6300= 1.86GHz
Difference= 60MHz

I guess another way to look at this processor, a budget E6600 with only 2MB cache, because it has the same multiplier. 3.32GHz on stock cooling is also very nice for a cheap that will become the cheapest C2D soon.
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You don't look at E4300 as a E6600 with 2meg cache because clock speed is different, FSB is different, no VT...

People don't buy overclocked processors because Overclocking is not guaranteed or warranted...
 
Marvelous said:
You don't look at E4300 as a E6600 with 2meg cache because clock speed is different, FSB is different, no VT...

People don't buy overclocked processors because Overclocking is not guaranteed or warranted...
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But people aren't looking at this processor right now as a processor to run at stock speeds, they are looking at it because it should provide a cheaper and better overclocking solution than the E6300 or E6400. People should not look at this processor as a viable low-cost C2D solution for a stock system until the price gets cut to $113.

Obviously if you need VT, the E4xxx series is out of the question. Clock speeds and FSB are always adjustable as long as you have even a decent motherboard.
 
coldpower27 said:
It's about 66MHZ slower in clock frequency and has a 266MHZ or 66MHZ slower FSB depending on how you count it.

It's also supposed to be 163USD, for the moment it is priced high at Newegg.
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If noone buys it, it will drop. Newegg usually startes out things high, when they're new. Then prices go up or down depending on the velocity (turn over) its selling at compared to inventory.

Hold off a little while (probably a few days until other vendors get stock) & it will drop $20.
 
The Goose said:
I thought VT was the ability to have both Windows and Linux installed, and VMware was just a Linux emulator for Windows?
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No VT is the ability to run two OS's as if you were running on two different machines. It speeds up VMware because of that. Without it VMware has to do all the virtualization in software which requires a greater overhead. Although some hardware is emulated (like HDD controllers and video processors), VMware is NOT technically an emulator and can run almost any OS that is designed for x86 systems (one exception being OS/2).
 
TheGardenTool said:
But people aren't looking at this processor right now as a processor to run at stock speeds, they are looking at it because it should provide a cheaper and better overclocking solution than the E6300 or E6400. People should not look at this processor as a viable low-cost C2D solution for a stock system until the price gets cut to $113.

Obviously if you need VT, the E4xxx series is out of the question. Clock speeds and FSB are always adjustable as long as you have even a decent motherboard.
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No kidding... But overclocking is not guaranteed not to mention electromigration does to your chip when overclocked... You might hit 2.4ghz or you might hit 4 ghz stable... You really don't know what the chips is capable of until it is in your possession... What intel does is guarantee 1.8ghz @ 800fsb with no VT and is priced accordingly...

What I want to see is some E6300 vs E4300 overclocked benchmarks but we haven't gotten any other than E6300 beats E4300 by a decent margin at stock speeds.
 
The Goose said:
What do you mean, the 4xxx series sucks at VMware? I ask because I'm considering a E4300 and I plan on running VMware and the F@H SMP client.
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There's a whole bunch of device virtualization functions that VMware can't use with the 4x series. The performance impact is pretty significant.

Things like disk I/O between VMs are 100s of times faster with the 6x than the 4x.

If you plan to use virtual SMP then get a 6x. If you don't, you'll regret it later.
 
TheGardenTool said:
E4300 = 1.8GHz
E6300= 1.86GHz
Difference= 60MHz

I guess another way to look at this processor, a budget E6600 with only 2MB cache, because it has the same multiplier. 3.32GHz on stock cooling is also very nice for a cheap that will become the cheapest C2D soon.
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I find I'm most impressed with the fact that so many people can and have stuck with the stock cooler for Conroe (its nice to not have to spend money on a new one - except in the case of high OC's).

The e4300 with a gig or more OC on stock cooling is crime indeed (so inexpensive)!
 
GPUCommando said:
I find I'm most impressed with the fact that so many people can and have stuck with the stock cooler for Conroe (its nice to not have to spend money on a new one - except in the case of high OC's).

The e4300 with a gig or more OC on stock cooling is crime indeed (so inexpensive)!
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Yes sir, and Anandtech's review said it would surely go higher with an aftermarket cooler, I'm surprised they didn't throw one on and max it, but that's why they are Anandtech and not another review site. :-\
 
TheGardenTool said:
Yes sir, and Anandtech's review said it would surely go higher with an aftermarket cooler, I'm surprised they didn't throw one on and max it, but that's why they are Anandtech and not another review site. :-\
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I wish someone would have threw a waterblock on it and run some tests.
 
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