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DS3P oddities, boot bug or feature?

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AbRASiON

Limp Gawd
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Hey all,

I've got DS3P 3.3, it has the F4 bios. (only one release so far)
I have Kingston Valueram and an E4300.

I am letting the board handle the voltages in the menu option for o/cing (when it changes from flashing red to green)

When I set the FSB too high, sometimes the board will re-boot, spin the drives, then turn off.
Then it turns on, then off, then on a few times - it's like the auto voltage thing is trying to find the right voltage range to overclock for me (or so the feature seemed to imply in the bios)

Question is:,... is this the "re-boot" bug / post bug people talk about and it shouldn't do it?
OR is it awesome in that,.. it's trying to overclock for me, can't figure out the best option so it goes back to defaults (which it does?)

Just curious - what do I do, where should I go from here.

For reference, I'm having a hell of a crappy time overclocking the E4300 - only stable at 290mhz x9 which seems tragically low (even if it is the stock cooler)
P.S Yes, the ram is running at 667 mhz or lower, I'm not letting the multiplier go out of wack and running the ram @ 1000

Now that I think about it, sometimes it just does it after re-booting, despite the fact it was just working fine in Windows moments ago.
Yet those times, it doesn't seem to change settings, it just seems to initially struggle.

600W ST60F also btw.
Any ideas, is this normal for the DS3 series?
 
EDIT:

I've posted this at a few other forums and apparently it's a standard "overclocking failed" feature.

Seems one other chap here from HOCP also has a DS3P 3.3 with F4 bios and his same CPU and ram in that board went from 3.3ghz to 2.7 - I wonder if it's a gimped board?
 
you are correct, its rebooting and trying to find settings it can work at, trouble is that it is a computer, they are about as intellegent as a rock.

You should find a good overclocking guide and manually set things, testing as you go and methodically determine where your hardware craps out.

I will have a killer guide up in about a week, I hope.
 
Thanks for your feedback - I do think it's quite a clever feature.

That being said I've used multiple overclocking guides and done it manually :(

I did 1.25 1.35 1.40 1.45 volts.
I tried 6 7 8 and 9 multipliers
I tried from 266mhz to 366mhz
I always kept my ram under 667, to ensure the limiting factor was board / cpu not board / cpu / ram

I tried increasing chipset voltage, I even tried running PCI-e @ 110mhz and .2volts over (some guy said this would work, I figured it had nothing to do with the CPU, I was right)

It's just bad luck! :( I'm just a bit crushed that so many others across the web hit 3.2 on stock and I can't even hit 3.

I had the same damn problem with my Pentium 4, everyone got 3.6 and my one got 3.1 - my Opt 165, everyone got 2.5 to 2.6 I got 2.2 :( such bad luck.

Oh well, it's gonna be a server now, fuck using it for a gaming PC at only 2.7
 
BillParrish, I am looking forward to your guide. I am new to all of this and your posts have often proved very helpful while searching and posting on this board.
 
Also, there are a ton of posts about it, try the F10 bios, it solves lots of the booting issues.
 
I have the DS3 Rev. 3.3 board and it booted like this from the start at stock. Would have to unplug power cord, plug it back up and push start button again. Might have to do this 3 or 4 times before it would boot. I have it oc'ed to 2.8 gigs now. I turned it off for several hours today. When I tried to turn it back on, the fans started up and right back off. I did the unplug, plug and the second time it booted up. This really does get annoying.
 
BillParrish said:
you are correct, its rebooting and trying to find settings it can work at, trouble is that it is a computer, they are about as intellegent as a rock.

You should find a good overclocking guide and manually set things, testing as you go and methodically determine where your hardware craps out.

I will have a killer guide up in about a week, I hope.
Click to expand...

I am looking forward to that guide also!
 
I'm not a big believer that there is a huge variation in Intel chips. I think most people have trouble because the parts they've chosen are not compatible.

For my first C2D build I went with a DS3 and some Mushkin ram. I think the Mushkin was using Elpida ram chips on it. I couldn't even get the thing to post so I wasn't able to adjust voltages or anything in the bios to help things out.

This sort of incompatibility problem caused a lot of good motherboards to be returned. With the Mushkin my board would boot and re-boot and try real hard and fans would spin but it would never post. Since then I'm sure Gigabyte has done some bios tweaks so less systems are completely dead. Gigabyte may have found a way for their boards to boot up with incompatible memory at default MHz but that doesn't mean your system is going to be rock solid stable when you start to overclock.

I exchanged the Mushkin for some generic Micron DDR2-667 CL5 that have the famous D9GMH chips and not only did my dead DS3 boot up but it really came alive. Suddenly it was able to overclock to 472 X 7 = 3300 MHz with a minimal amount of effort at barely over default CPU voltage.

Just because you're keeping your Value ram memory speed below DDR2-667 doesn't mean it's any good. Incompatible memory is incompatible memory.

I suggest for yourself and others to go with proven combinations. Value ram is no value if it's like hooking a 2 ton boat anchor to the back of your Ferrari.

1 GB Micron modules start at $78 and when you jack up the voltage from the default of 1.8 v to 2.1 v or 2.2 volts, suddenly you'll be able to run at DDR2-900 and beyond.
Now that's value! :D

http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?imodule=CT12864AA667
 
unclewebb said:
I'm not a big believer that there is a huge variation in Intel chips. I think most people have trouble because the parts they've chosen are not compatible.

For my first C2D build I went with a DS3 and some Mushkin ram. I think the Mushkin was using Elpida ram chips on it. I couldn't even get the thing to post so I wasn't able to adjust voltages or anything in the bios to help things out.

This sort of incompatibility problem caused a lot of good motherboards to be returned. With the Mushkin my board would boot and re-boot and try real hard and fans would spin but it would never post. Since then I'm sure Gigabyte has done some bios tweaks so less systems are completely dead. Gigabyte may have found a way for their boards to boot up with incompatible memory at default MHz but that doesn't mean your system is going to be rock solid stable when you start to overclock.

I exchanged the Mushkin for some generic Micron DDR2-667 CL5 that have the famous D9GMH chips and not only did my dead DS3 boot up but it really came alive. Suddenly it was able to overclock to 472 X 7 = 3300 MHz with a minimal amount of effort at barely over default CPU voltage.

Just because you're keeping your Value ram memory speed below DDR2-667 doesn't mean it's any good. Incompatible memory is incompatible memory.

I suggest for yourself and others to go with proven combinations. Value ram is no value if it's like hooking a 2 ton boat anchor to the back of your Ferrari.

1 GB Micron modules start at $78 and when you jack up the voltage from the default of 1.8 v to 2.1 v or 2.2 volts, suddenly you'll be able to run at DDR2-900 and beyond.
Now that's value! :D

http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?imodule=CT12864AA667
Click to expand...



I've seen a newegg post / review confirming my exact same ram and 3ghz E4300 no problems :/
 
I was having some problems with this board myself I got a beta BIOS which seems to have fixed my problems so here it is.

This BIOS is for the Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3P
965pds3p.rar

The BIOS is F5E (Beta)

I hope this helps :)
 
Thanks for the response - I've long since sold this because I was sick of it but I hear there's USB solutions (yeah disable dos support for USB keyboard / mouse / drives) - weird I know

Appreciate the help anyhow - hopefully your bios helps someone else.
 
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