DRM NOT in Pentium D, right?

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Celestial Avenger

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A rumor was started months ago that Intel introduced DRM unannounced. Intel denied it, but I'm trying to look for someone that has the processor and can tell me from experience.
 
i remember talking to dell about that, they told me the 945 had drm but the 955x did not.
 
I thought I heard that Intel's DRM wouldn't be brought into effect until Longhorn. Nevertheless, I agree with you 100% about trying to boycott Intel's little deal with the devil.
 
DRM support in hardware is all about playing DRM protected content properly. It can't do anything against existing non-DRM content. But if you don't have DRM support, you don't get the DRM content (ie future full resolution HD content). If you don't like DRM, don't buy DRM protected content.
 
Unfortunatly DRM (trusted computing) is envolved more then just Intel. Microsoft and others are pushing hardware makers like Intel,AMD, and mobo makers and the likes to install such hardware that will be compatable with software that will regulate what you are able to do with your machine. In other words... lets say you have music on your machine that someone deams illeagal or not in their eyes as what they want you to have or do they could possibly even give your machine denile of service (shut it down). They will be able to snoop anytime they want for whats on your rig. Total invasion of privacy. some may think naw thats not ever gonna happen BUT i can and will say that our rights are gradually dissapearing everyday we live. Just think MS will make you buy a new version of windows or a new lisence(like what they want you to do now) everytime you replace something like a Mobo or CPU. Cause they construe this to be a new computer and with the embeeded chips on the parts they will be able to tell MS what is different or not and what will give you axccess. Its also been said that the only way you will be allowed on line or able to check your email is if its via DRM. Scary shit I tell ya. Its important that all of us in the proffesion and hobby need to let our represntatives know how we feel about this. here are some links to trusted computing/DRM


http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html


http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html

Feel free to do more looking as there is tons of info on this topic..

As far as im concerned anything to do with these types of DRM is bullshit and unnessacary.. My 2c
 
already moved to gentoo. been happier ever since. i have a feeling these new standards will start a sudden growth spurt in the free software neighborhood.
 
SacLANd said:
already moved to gentoo. been happier ever since. i have a feeling these new standards will start a sudden growth spurt in the free software neighborhood.
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Actually if you read on DRM and trusted computing. Freeware and shareware will go away and no free stuff anymore.... and Im with you robberbaron
 
I dont think they will get rid of it once they realize that no one. Well no one that has any knowledge about computers will buy that anything that will restrict the user. Thank good linux is open source.
 
osirus35 said:
I dont think they will get rid of it once they realize that no one. Well no one that has any knowledge about computers will buy that anything that will restrict the user. Thank good linux is open source.
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Until it's implemented at the hardware level :\

Can you imagine having to validate your new AMD processor through a server that only accepts transmissions from Windows operating systems? Or having to activate a memory upgrade through Internet Explorer before the system will recognize the ram?

This is some serious business.
 
Sounds like the linux community has done its job spreading FUD again. Why don't you read the official docs and see what it all is really about? It doesn't scare me in the least anyway.
 
Scali said:
Sounds like the linux community has done its job spreading FUD again. Why don't you read the official docs and see what it all is really about? It doesn't scare me in the least anyway.
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QFT.

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Linux won't support the new DRM formats and a user doesn't have to use it in Windows either if he/she doesn't like it (just like current DRM protected WMAs). Current formats without DRM are unaffected (MP3, OGG, MPEG-2 <-- CSS or not, DIVX, etc). Even newer formats like WMV-HD don't necessarily contain DRM... it's an option while encoding (i.e. your own created WMV-HD files won't contain DRM, but purchased or downloaded WMV-HD will probably contain DRM).

And enough already with the intel/devil deal nonsense. AMD is also including DRM in future chips ("Presidio" security technology): http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20040922120030.html.

AMD, Intel, IBM, VIA and every other major CPU manufacturer is supporting DRM. They are all members of the TCG. Except for next generation DVDs (which most will play on standalone players anyways) and possibly HDTV (but not likely since the broadcast flag still doesn't exist), nothing compels users to use any new DRM formats anyways.
 
Thing is, if you don't have DRM-compatible hardware (and OS), you CAN'T access the new DRM-content, even if you want to. That's like not being able to access iTunes and similar stores that use DRM.
I'd rather have the option and choose not to use it than not to have the option at all. But if the price (and quality) is right, I will surely use it, and buy my music and movies online.
 
Scali said:
Sounds like the linux community has done its job spreading FUD again. Why don't you read the official docs and see what it all is really about? It doesn't scare me in the least anyway.
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Then you have only done one wayed research. As far as the "linux Comunity" spreading its FUD.. your wrong.(besides myself being in the bussines I have many freinds that work for lage tech companies and they agree with exactly how i feel) Look to groups that try to protect your rights here via real info. Like the ones that I have posted. Im not sure about you but I have allready been involved in hobbies where the government has taken our rights thrown them in the trash and ruined something very good only for the gain of control. Its Bullshit!!! People such as yourself will just let it come on in and have its way without so much as lifting a finger to do anything casue you are to swept by the info/BS that the companies that will bring you this technology are feeding you. but once again this is just my 2c.
 
Don't worry they won't block all of your illegal MP3, movie & porn collection!! They have been trying to push this stuff for years, eventually it will make its way in to the software and hardware side of things.

However, even then, you'll still be able to play your OLD stuff, you might have to use a different player like WinAmp or similar.

B/c even NOW windows media player dials home to MS and checks for the album title and other information which lets MS know what music you have. (called "Automatic Media Information Updates for files" - should be disabled )
 
robberbaron said:
Until it's implemented at the hardware level :\

Can you imagine having to validate your new AMD processor through a server that only accepts transmissions from Windows operating systems? Or having to activate a memory upgrade through Internet Explorer before the system will recognize the ram?

This is some serious business.
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WTF, there's no way that's going to happen. That's just retarded.
 
chrisf6969 said:
Don't worry they won't block all of your illegal MP3, movie & porn collection!!
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Finally, an important perspective! :D
 
dandragonrage said:
WTF, there's no way that's going to happen. That's just retarded.
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That's just level 11 FUD, just like the RMS link above.
 
Captin Insano said:
People such as yourself will just let it come on in and have its way without so much as lifting a finger to do anything casue you are to swept by the info/BS that the companies that will bring you this technology are feeding you. but once again this is just my 2c.
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For your information, I am an academic, a software engineer, and I have studied the matter in reasonable detail. It's not like I'm just taking some marketing BS for granted.
I'm just not a paranoid person. In fact, I'm more worried about the whole opensource movement than I am about the corporate world, but that's another story.
 
*weeds through off-hand posts*

Does anyone have a 945 and can tell me whether or not it has DRM? If not, don't say anything! Kthx.
 
robberbaron said:
For sure. Nothing mobilizes the masses like a little scare tactics!
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That's the problem, and almost every side is throwing FUD and scare tactics at the problem.
The content companies scream that anyone who doesn't embrace draconian DRM is a pirate and crimial and is stealing their livelyhood.
The companies that implement DRM call it security and features and tell the users it makes them safer and for the love of god don't try and run a program without this security or you bad things (tm) will happen
And the EFF groups complain that any attempt to control content on the end user PC is turning your computer into an Orwellian viewscreen that will sprout arms and arrest you on the spot should you try and protect your fair use rights.

Hell, even what I just said was FUD as it's an exaggeration of what's really going on trying to make people think there is no room for rational debate in this respect. (Though in some cases not as far from the truth as I would like....)


That said, Intel says there is no DRM in Pentium D or 945 beyond things fairly common to other competitors, like support for Macrovision, and DTCP-IP (which is also in the Prescott 2M cores, and brought no uproar - and possible Dothan but I'm not sure on that). As of now, there is no reason to doubt that. And I would be rather surprised to see any terrible, intrusive and or restrictive DRM lurking in the shadows.
 
Celestial Avenger said:
A rumor was started months ago that Intel introduced DRM unannounced. Intel denied it, but I'm trying to look for someone that has the processor and can tell me from experience.
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That's just it, Intel denied it because it was a lie=P All DRM Intel added was ANNOUNCED. An overzealous Webmaster just didn't do his homework. Some of it (DRM) was announced two years before the parts launched.

I agree with Scalie and the others.

Then use your favorite search engine and see for yourself? If you think the Content Creators have nothing to worry about, go to a swapp-meet or see the articles on Russia and China as it relates to Computer Hardware and Software warezers/pirates, Movies, and tons of other entertainment. Like it or not, they do screw it up for everyone. Do we really believe everyone is using a legit copy of Half Life 2 and most Gamers use an Intel 2GHz Processor?

AMD's PR folks bragged a about Paladium (I think its called) and how they were ahead of Intel on it. Then they found out it was not popular, so now they're quiet LOL! Sort of like their RAMBUS lincenses.

Donnie27
 
Slightly offtopic, but I have a strong suspiscion that the hardware-support for DRM is part of the reason why Apple decided to make the jump to Intel.
I think they have wanted to make this move for a while, since it's been apparent for quite some time that they cannot stay competitive with PowerPC at the pace it's developing.
With DRM they would have a way to make sure that their Mac OS can only run on actual Apple computers, and cannot be pirated and used on clones, making their own hardware useless.
 
Scali said:
Slightly offtopic, but I have a strong suspiscion that the hardware-support for DRM is part of the reason why Apple decided to make the jump to Intel.
I think they have wanted to make this move for a while, since it's been apparent for quite some time that they cannot stay competitive with PowerPC at the pace it's developing.
With DRM they would have a way to make sure that their Mac OS can only run on actual Apple computers, and cannot be pirated and used on clones, making their own hardware useless.
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DRM would also help with their iTunes endeavors.
 
Celestial Avenger said:
*weeds through off-hand posts*

Does anyone have a 945 and can tell me whether or not it has DRM? If not, don't say anything! Kthx.
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I just built a 945g system with a Pentium D 820. No mention of DRM anywhere on the system and nothing about DRM on the 945p chipset page at Intel.

BTW, having a DRM enabled chipset is not a bad thing. It won't stop you from playing your XViD copy of a DVDRip you download from the Internet or anything like that.
 
alrox said:
I just built a 945g system with a Pentium D 820. No mention of DRM anywhere on the system and nothing about DRM on the 945p chipset page at Intel.

BTW, having a DRM enabled chipset is not a bad thing. It won't stop you from playing your XViD copy of a DVDRip you download from the Internet or anything like that.
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They don't need to mention it. There are already tons of DRM and many folks don't or understand what it is. DRM wouldn't stop me from watching XXX on my Computer but blocks bit for bit transfers to another Source I could copy it too. That also means bigscreen TV is out. These stuff showed up as far back as 1984 (ironic year gives me the shakes) with VHS tapes. SB Audigy 2 can decode and encode 24bit/192KHz 5.1 but DRM blocks, not hardware limitations are the problems. Simple things like having you Receivers Tope monitor disabled when the CD or DVD is switched on, is you, DRM. DVD Audio, SACD (Sony's Super Audio CD), and etc.. comes with DRM, in fact I looked at serveral Music CDs through Windows Explorer, the format looks more like a DVD than CD.

Almost all Restore discs and even the Hardware has some form of DRM as it looks for certain features before you can install. Apple may have thought Intel's DRM was better than AMD's, nothing to do with performance. Apple also are the Kings of SIMDs and no one's are better than Intel's except argublely Apple's.

Donnie27
 
Scali said:
Slightly offtopic, but I have a strong suspiscion that the hardware-support for DRM is part of the reason why Apple decided to make the jump to Intel.
I think they have wanted to make this move for a while, since it's been apparent for quite some time that they cannot stay competitive with PowerPC at the pace it's developing.
With DRM they would have a way to make sure that their Mac OS can only run on actual Apple computers, and cannot be pirated and used on clones, making their own hardware useless.
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Not off topic at all.

That's what I threw out there as one of the main reasons Apple went with Intel. See the old Apple Picks Intel thread? DRM is both good and bad IMHO.

I do wonder how Bluegears got around DRM that help killed of SoundStorm and blocks features on the Audigy 2 ZS and Audigy 4. Namely Dolby Digital via a SPDIF bit for bit.

Donnie
 
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