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Dragon age

Youn said:
not an opinion, was an honest question. Also, I gave Dan the benefit of the doubt, if you hadn't noticed. nice try being nuanced yourself there...
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I don't care about people not fitting neatly into gender roles or societal norms. By itself this is fine and there are many examples of it throughout history. That said, the modern day pronoun BS is just that. English doesn't work that way and for very good reasons. I think tackling the subject in a Dragon Age game made no sense. The way it was done made even less sense. I stand by my statement that the non-binary stuff had no business being in the game. A character not being a super hot woman or a chiseled male model is fine. Again, that wasn't the issue.
 
Youn said:
not an opinion, was an honest question. Also, I gave Dan the benefit of the doubt, if you hadn't noticed. nice try being nuanced yourself there...
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OK, but if it was an honest question, why would it have to be one or the other? There is a HUGE middle ground there, which probably 80%+ of people who aren't on the extreme fringes belong to where they both welcome diversity and are tired all of the woke garbage that constantly labels people as racists, phobes, Nazis, etc. just because they question why certain character designs or writing choices seem very prevalent in modern games. Of course, that might invoke a secondary discussion regarding what defines or comprises wokeness, and maybe that's part of the issue. I still say the extremes (and social media, and online anonymity where folks can spew vitriol and name call without any real consequence) combined with the modern paradigm of everyone choosing a "side" exacerbates the issue and create unnecessary division on topics like this. I almost always find the folks in the middle to have the most reasonable things to say, but online discourse often drowns them out and/or makes them seem underrepresented.

Agree w/your second post below the one I quoted. Of course it's OK to be different and most people are accepting of that, but often the vocal minority and the folks who feel the need to defend them (and posture as even more offended on their behalf) just ignore that completely and drive the wedge even further.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it was an innocent question, but you might try reframing or rephrasing future questions in order to at least give the appearance of nuance and genuine curiosity rather than an either/or scenario.
 
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Lateralus said:
of people who aren't on the extreme fringes belong to where they both welcome diversity and are tired all of the woke garbage
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I think a lot of it is almost purely the aesthetic choice (say the choice of words).

The UFC has been one of the most if not the most diverse American sport league since it started (i imagine the MLS would be the one with more), Brazil always been prominent, Canada, western europe, Eastern Europe, Russia, Africa, Asia, Mexico, the woman division is one of the most popular woman division.

I doubt many were bothered there was too much diversity, would they have started to use "woke" word to promote that diversity (like maybe they did during peak Ronda Roussey and that would have bothered some at the time), instead of there more simple: oh it is nice that GSP is from French Canada and made it popular there, going to Brazil because it is popular there without framing that as some great social justice achievement just natural meritocracy leading to a lot of diversity always in a open world market/and natural market force following the money, do not tend to bother people at all.

mortal kombat-street fighter showed ridiculously high level of diversity in their casting in the 90s, people did not care, it was not enrobed of this was anything great or special, just nice to have different combat style and use stereotypes for who would use them, not something a game studio should be proud of doing.

Lot of the time you can do the exact same things without using internationally, brown bodies type of talking points and people will not mind it at all.
 
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Youn said:
nope... this has always been a thing since the beginning. just because the phrase is relatively new to many folks doesn't mean the idea behind it is. I'll just assume you are talking about something else though, and not just demeaning a huge group of people's feelings.
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Yes, but that attitude, which was true for a lot of society until the 1960s does not make it right.

That very conservative/traditional push we see to return to traditional sex role (if you like long hair you are not a man, if you do like to wear dress you are not a woman or your sexual preference make you non-binary or other label, as if there was any link that must exist in society between those things), that closing of what a man or woman can be freely without being called something else (or making you feel as if you were something else in silence) by society if you do not fit neatly into expected box, is yes an historical norm, but not necessarily something to aspire to go back to.

Making that it is in part because of parents knowing their kids sex before birth, combined with the giant money/adult attention per kids that try to push them into very gendered world since birth.... instead of just being 70/80s asexual kids for a long time.
 
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imagine the pubic outrage if mk started making the character faces/clothing more normal looking

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I thought the game was fun. I agree with the dialogue stuff. I agree with the not as deep as other DA games. But I like the lore that's added/uncovered, I liked the main questline, I liked Solas, etc.
The combat is relatively repetitive, but it was fun to play with the builds to try to maximize. I enjoyed both my rouge and warrior playthroughs, and am interested in a mage playthrough.
There were some game and combat mechanics that I thought were pretty poorly explained, and I gained a lot from watching youtube.

This is not the best DA game. It is a decently fun game. I don't know how someone could say it's not a good looking game, but my eyes are different from your eyes. Character creation was excellent if that's your thing.
 
peppergomez said:
Oddly I've never evaluated a video game based on breast size, oh well
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I wouldn't either. It's just stupid that the Dragon Age character creator wouldn't let you go above an A cup and have anything more than a flat ass on a female character. It's just one of many stupid design decisions.
 
Dan_D said:
I wouldn't either. It's just stupid that the Dragon Age character creator wouldn't let you go above an A cup and have anything more than a flat ass on a female character. It's just one of many stupid design decisions.
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It's intentional as we all know, a political statement on behalf of the blue pink and purple haired developers who made it
 
KickAssCop said:
This game is now on gamepass. Just noticed it.
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There are still people that want to argue that Dragon Age Veilguard wasn't a failure. The fact its been given away for free on multiple platforms within the first year of its release tells you all you need to know about how well the game did. That said, if you were curious about trying it, Gamepass is a good way to do so.
 
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