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DOOM: The Dark Ages

DouglasteR said:
I already beated the game hahah !

Nerf the impaler as much as you guys want, it´s too late now :rolleyes:
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Same here. Ran through the game, then went back and grabbed all the shit I missed in the levels, then finished the weapon mastery challenges, weeks ago. I 100%ed the game already. Not sure if I will jump back in just to see what the patch ruined.
 
How id Software Used Neural Rendering and Path Tracing in DOOM: The Dark Ages

Nvidia published a Q&A with id Software's Director of Engine Technology, Billy Khan, to discuss the studio's implementation of path tracing...according to Khan, it took the Texas-based studio around six months to implement the technology in their game...the programmer also shared the belief that more games will make the leap from ray tracing to path tracing in the coming years...

https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/h...dering-and-path-tracing-in-doom-the-dark-ages
 
polonyc2 said:
Yes...did not support it at launch but was added a month later with the June 2025 patch
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Thanks need to reinstall the game and try it on my new 5080

Hopefully my system can have Path Tracing in this Doom?

9800X3D and 64GB DDR5
 
Zorachus said:
Thanks need to reinstall the game and try it on my new 5080

Hopefully my system can have Path Tracing in this Doom?

9800X3D and 64GB DDR5
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at 4K or 1440p?...nice new rig...I've had my new parts lying around for a year now so I'm considering selling my unopened 4080 Super and buying the upcoming 5080 Super or maybe the 5080 (although the 5080 doesn't really seem worth it over the 4080S)
 
3440X1440 240hz OLED

I sold my 4080 FE on Marketplace for $600, and bought a 5080 FE for $850, I'm ok with the 250 bucks for 20%-25% improvement, and DLSS4.

5080 isn't a bad card, but it's not a $1200+ or so card, at like $899 it's a much better buy.

With 4080 FE you have, wait till the 5080 Super for sure, plus it has 24GB
 
Zorachus said:
Thanks need to reinstall the game and try it on my new 5080

Hopefully my system can have Path Tracing in this Doom?

9800X3D and 64GB DDR5
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You can do some path tracing. Just keep an eye out for that "you'll run out of vram" pop-up in the settings menu. It's possible to run a 16GB card out of vram if you crank it all the way up.

I wasn't real excited about path tracing in DTDA when I tried it on a 5090 at 4k. If you sit and stare at it yeah you get some nice realistic looking lighting effects, but Doom is all brown and gray and full of ugly demons plus I'm too busy killing to really care. So I turned it off for better fps. If you want to see some nice looking path tracing IMHO Cyberpunk 2077 and Indiana Jones and the Great Circle are much better. Doom path tracing does some nice rendering, but it just doesn't make me care enough to give up the fps.
 
Good point. Yeah CB2077 is crazy with eye candy especially on an OLED

How bout Ray Tracing in Diablo IV?
 
zandor said:
You can do some path tracing. Just keep an eye out for that "you'll run out of vram" pop-up in the settings menu. It's possible to run a 16GB card out of vram if you crank it all the way up
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even at 1440p you can run out of VRAM when using path tracing?
 
polonyc2 said:
even at 1440p you can run out of VRAM when using path tracing?
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Not sure about 1440p in DTDA, but you can at 4k. I also don't know where the line is, so maybe 2560x1440 is ok but 3440x1440 isn't? No idea. But hey at least the game is nice enough to warn you when you're in the menus changing settings.
 
polonyc2 said:
at 4K or 1440p?...nice new rig...I've had my new parts lying around for a year now so I'm considering selling my unopened 4080 Super and buying the upcoming 5080 Super or maybe the 5080 (although the 5080 doesn't really seem worth it over the 4080S)
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The 50xx super rumors aren't really promising. The 5080 super isn't going to be much of an upgrade unless they swap to the 5090 chip as there isn't any more cores on the 5080 chip. It seems the refresh is mostly more VRAM, which doesn't do all that much as you are out of GPU power and need DLSS quality or lower by the time 16GB is not enough @4k. There are some games that use all of the 16GB, but even after tuning the stuff that eats VRAM you are let with something like 30-40fps and need DLSS which gives you back the VRAM anyways. The 4080 super is close enough to the 5080 that both the 5080 and 5080 super are unlikely to be much of an upgrade.
 
evhvis said:
The 50xx super rumors aren't really promising. The 5080 super isn't going to be much of an upgrade unless they swap to the 5090 chip as there isn't any more cores on the 5080 chip. It seems the refresh is mostly more VRAM, which doesn't do all that much as you are out of GPU power and need DLSS quality or lower by the time 16GB is not enough @4k. There are some games that use all of the 16GB, but even after tuning the stuff that eats VRAM you are let with something like 30-40fps and need DLSS which gives you back the VRAM anyways. The 4080 super is close enough to the 5080 that both the 5080 and 5080 super are unlikely to be much of an upgrade.
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I'm at 1440p so the extra VRAM will be more useful (hopefully?)...although I have been tempted to try one of the new 4K ASUS QD-OLED gaming monitors...I recently bought a new 65" Sony A95L QD-OLED TV for my home theater and it's great

it's crazy that as I was researching hardware the last few days that almost everything I bought a year ago for my computer upgrade is still at or near the top in terms of components...which is why I've been trying to find something new to buy and nothing seems worth it...the only real upgrade from the 4080 Super seems to be the 5090 but the pricing is crazy...I'm also worried about the total power it uses and whether the cables catching on fire issues have really been fixed
 
polonyc2 said:
I'm at 1440p so the extra VRAM will be more useful (hopefully?)...although I have been tempted to try one of the new 4K ASUS QD-OLED gaming monitors...I recently bought a new 65" Sony A95L QD-OLED TV for my home theater and it's great

it's crazy that as I was researching hardware the last few days that almost everything I bought a year ago for my computer upgrade is still at or near the top in terms of components...which is why I've been trying to find something new to buy and nothing seems worth it...the only real upgrade from the 4080 Super seems to be the 5090 but the pricing is crazy...I'm also worried about the total power it uses and whether the cables catching on fire issues have really been fixed
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You have a 4080 Super, it's near top of the line still. Only the 5090 and 4090 best it, and just barely the 5080 is slightly better by single digit %

My point, the only "upgrade" is the upcoming RTX-6080 due out in September.
 
Zorachus said:
You have a 4080 Super, it's near top of the line still. Only the 5090 and 4090 best it, and just barely the 5080 is slightly better by single digit %

My point, the only "upgrade" is the upcoming RTX-6080 due out in September.
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the 5080 is definitely not worth it at all over the 4080 Super...I've never owned a 90 series and the 32GB VRAM on the 5090 is nice to have but it's never going to really be future proofed because Nvidia will end up adding some exclusive new DLSS or FG feature to the 6000 series which will make the 5090 seem dated...that's why buying the 5090 at anything other than MSRP is a total rip-off...the ASUS 5090 Astral card (which seems to be the best 5090) is currently $3400 which is insane
 
LOL $3400 for a video card WTF [H]ard pass.

Especially how shitty of a "performance upgrade" the 5090 is over the 4090, like 20% to 25% or so? LOL 😅 That pure stupidity, to spend over 3 grand for maybe 25% improvement.

When the 4090 from the 3090 was a huge 60% to 70% performance upgrade. Which is the way it should be, and the 4090 was only a hundred bucks more than 3090.

Hopefully the 6xxx series goes back to being true upgrade performance
 
polonyc2 said:
the 5080 is definitely not worth it at all over the 4080 Super...I've never owned a 90 series and the 32GB VRAM on the 5090 is nice to have but it's never going to really be future proofed because Nvidia will end up adding some exclusive new DLSS or FG feature to the 6000 series which will make the 5090 seem dated...that's why buying the 5090 at anything other than MSRP is a total rip-off...the ASUS 5090 Astral card (which seems to be the best 5090) is currently $3400 which is insane
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RTX 5080 has been as low as $900 recently. Still expensive, but more reasonable. The 5070ti was the better value (15% slower, but typically 35% cheaper) but now the 5080 might be worth considering.
 
The 5080 pricing has dropped like a rock all of a sudden.

Microcenter has a couple models for $899

And just looking locally on Marketplace I've seen quote a few going for $750 to $850

I've seen new 5080 FEs for $875 - $900 on FBM
 
Flogger23m said:
RTX 5080 has been as low as $900 recently. Still expensive, but more reasonable. The 5070ti was the better value (15% slower, but typically 35% cheaper) but now the 5080 might be worth considering.
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still not worth it over the 4080 Super...unless I can sell my 4080 Super and get back what I paid for it
 
polonyc2 said:
still not worth it over the 4080 Super...unless I can sell my 4080 Super and get back what I paid for it
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You can probably sell that card $700 or $750 and get a 5080 FE for $850

But that would be a super minimal "upgrade"
 
Zorachus said:
You can probably sell that card $700 or $750 and get a 5080 FE for $850

But that would be a super minimal "upgrade"
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Newegg is offering $750 for a trade in, so the 4080 Super is holding its value pretty good...I paid $1100 (before taxes)
 
For 4080 Super owners, the only "performance upgrade" is a 5090.

Or just wait for the 6080 next year.

It's funny just this week I sold my 4080 FE ( non Super ) on Marketplace for $650 and picked up a 5080 FE for $850.

Was the 20% to 25% or so "upgrade" worth the $200? I don't know, probably not, maybe, hard to say LOL.

But I do get the new RTX 5xxx features and DLSS4 stuff.
 
Zorachus said:
But I do get the new RTX 5xxx features and DLSS4 stuff.
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the Transformer model DLSS 4 stuff is available on the 4000 series...it's only the new Multi Frame Generation that's exclusive to the 5000...and unless you have a really high refresh rate display I'm not sure how valuable that really is
 
polonyc2 said:
the Transformer model DLSS 4 stuff is available on the 4000 series...it's only the new Multi Frame Generation that's exclusive to the 5000...and unless you have a really high refresh rate display I'm not sure how valuable that really is
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One other difference is the DisplayPort support. 50 series added DP 2 UHBR20 support, so it's much faster than HDMI 2.1 which was the fastet connection on the 30 and 40 series since they only had DP 1.4. Of course it's useless if you don't have a monitor that can make use of it.

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Zorachus said:
I'm not sure, is my LG 45 Ultragear DP 2 ?
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I have no idea. Got a model number? I have an LG UltraGear 48" 4k OLED I bought in 2023 that does not support DP 2 so I'm running it on HDMI. It's fine on HDMI, it's basically a slightly overclocked TV that tops out at 138Hz.
 
zandor said:
One other difference is the DisplayPort support. 50 series added DP 2 UHBR20 support, so it's much faster than HDMI 2.1 which was the fastet connection on the 30 and 40 series since they only had DP 1.4. Of course it's useless if you don't have a monitor that can make use of it.

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The only monitor that I know of that supports DisplayPort 2.1 (and makes use of it) is the Samsung Odyssey G9 57".
 
polonyc2 said:
I think the new ASUS PG27UCDM supports it
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There are a fair number now that support it. Makes use of it I'd have to do some digging on. Like what's the max refresh rate without DSC at 4k on HDMI 2.1? Pretty sure it's less than 240Hz? Then there's 8-bit vs. 10-bit vs. 12-bit.
 
zandor said:
There are a fair number now that support it. Makes use of it I'd have to do some digging on. Like what's the max refresh rate without DSC at 4k on HDMI 2.1? Pretty sure it's less than 240Hz? Then there's 8-bit vs. 10-bit vs. 12-bit.
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does DisplayPort 2.1 make any actual difference when gaming or doing other tasks?
 
zandor said:
There are a fair number now that support it. Makes use of it I'd have to do some digging on. Like what's the max refresh rate without DSC at 4k on HDMI 2.1? Pretty sure it's less than 240Hz? Then there's 8-bit vs. 10-bit vs. 12-bit.
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True. But I was specifically thinking about displays that can do things like 240Hz at higher resolutions beyond 4K. The Odyssey G9 57" is one of the few I know of that fall into that category. You can do 7680x2160 without DP2.1 but not at 240Hz.
 
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