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Doom 3 and ATI 9800
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RancidWAnnaRIot
EspantaPajaros
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i've heard this happening and stuff for many people on that card.. maybe you should drop the IQ?
for a while i found out i accidentally unplugged my fan for my ati 9800, and after a while there was white flakes all over the screen when playing rainbow six. so yeah, check and see if ur card is not overheating. lol, but thats all the things i can say about it, works fine for me.
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Try either more cooling or underclocking.
Doom 3 works the shit out of your video card, it may be that ATI's cooling is not adequate after all.
Doom 3 works the shit out of your video card, it may be that ATI's cooling is not adequate after all.
Check this thread out over at Rage3D. Was just reading this earlier this morning:
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33773230&highlight=9800+pro+doom*
Great news is, ATI has already released a beta version of the Cats to negotiate this problem:
http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?node=news&cat=75#newsid33773358
Basically it sounds like the RAM on these cards is being grossly overworked, even at stock. Since ATI has no sinks on the ram, makes total sense.
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33773230&highlight=9800+pro+doom*
Great news is, ATI has already released a beta version of the Cats to negotiate this problem:
http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?node=news&cat=75#newsid33773358
Basically it sounds like the RAM on these cards is being grossly overworked, even at stock. Since ATI has no sinks on the ram, makes total sense.
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The cards are overheating, I would guess.cfetter79 said:
I imagine ATI is going to get some shit over this
However if they want to send everyone free RAM sinks and a larger cooler, that would be sweet Let's see how it all plays out. I've already got a VGA Silencer + OCZ RAM Sinks, but I am way over stock specs. I hope I can pick up D3 tommorrow and find out.
pirateface
Limp Gawd
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My RAID ARRAY died on my last night, I spent all night and all morning doing a clean install and getting my appz installed, I slept, woke up called EB and they got DOOM3 in stock and ready to be sold, I hopped in my car picked it up installed and blasting away.
I'm running Cat4.7 using DX9.0B my settings, Windows XP PRO SP1A, running my 9800Pro 128MB at 9800XT speeds, I still need to re-OC my CPU and FSB back to what is listed in my signature, as Windows wouldn't allow me to install using OC'ed settings.
Anyways i'm running in game 1280x1024 with MEDIUM settings and it's very playable at 35-45fps. I would Love to see better at a higher resoultion too, or at HIGH/ULTRA HIGH settings in game, so I'm tempting to pick up that X800XT PE later in Sept or something, well see...
I'm running Cat4.7 using DX9.0B my settings, Windows XP PRO SP1A, running my 9800Pro 128MB at 9800XT speeds, I still need to re-OC my CPU and FSB back to what is listed in my signature, as Windows wouldn't allow me to install using OC'ed settings.
Anyways i'm running in game 1280x1024 with MEDIUM settings and it's very playable at 35-45fps. I would Love to see better at a higher resoultion too, or at HIGH/ULTRA HIGH settings in game, so I'm tempting to pick up that X800XT PE later in Sept or something, well see...
I've also got a 9800Pro, but mine is volt modded. I wasnt surprised to see artifacts at 495/380, but set to factory default im still seeing lots of the multicolored block crap. It's also cooled by a nice water setup, so I dont think it's the heat. Tomorrow I'll turn down the voltage on the Pot and see if that clears it up.
im gonna have to agree with the whole overheating thing. I have a 9700 pro and i keep getting dead locks on my videocard or VPU recovers. Its piss ass anoying. I guess im gonna have to wait for my 6800 ultra to get here (next 12 hours) but its all good. Im just a little upset. If all these ati cards are having a problem and no nvidia cards are im now wondering what kind of short cuts might have been taken on the ATI side. I love my 9700 pro and i have never had a problem with it till doom 3. I am running cats 4.7's. I have only ever seen the VPU recover once and that was when i overclocked my card really high. I have my card underclocked and it still messes up. very strange very strange indeed.
Three D. Marks
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I noticed my everyday overclock on my 9800Pro (421.2c/351m) won't hold for long in DoomIII. Those pesky white and red snow/artifacts starting showing up. Gotta run stock speeds for now until I want to find my 'DoomIII stable' overclock.
Id Software did say that overclocking may not work the same on this game since it uses most of the special features of current video processors and CPUs. They described it in layman's terms like this, " You are using more of the transistors on the CPU, some of them possibly for the first time, so overclocks that work fine in other games may not on this one. "
Hey guys,
I'm brand new to this forum but I thought I could contribute a bit...
Alright, my machine is an AMD 2600+ Soyo KT-400 Ultra Plat. Ed. with 1.5 gigs of DDR 400 (running at 333) CAS2 Corsair RAM. No Dual Channel unfortunately...and a brand new 250 gig Maxtor 7200RPM w/ 8 meg cache HD that is cooled. Thermaltake 9 on my proc. I also use a thermometer in my chasis to detect air temperature. I use a 9700 Pro NOT overclocked. My system is TOTALLY stock except I fine-tuned the RAM settings to their max on my MoBo to get the max out of them.
I was running with Cat 4.7 drivers at (for the most part) 800x600 Ultra Quality No AA. I was getting very good framerates in close combats and for fuller scenes I would go down to around 20. No problems with lots of dudes/lights/etc. on the screen. When I started hitting the middle of the game where there was a lot of steam and other ambient effects I started getting the VPU recovery. Usually I could recover once and if it crashed again I'd have to ctrl-alt-del out. Well near the Delta area I started getting very irked and decided I would start scouring the net. (Side note, I did notice it crashed more often at higher res's which is why I lowered to 800x600.)
Found out my problem was common and the common variable was heat. OC'ed or not. I took my thermometer and placed it as close as possible to my video card and found the air temp to be around 34-35C at some points during game play where as non-gameplay it was 28-30C. I did conversions and found out these temps were around 90. I really couldn't understand why these temperatures were too hot for the video card but I decided I had to do something.
I found the 4.9 BETA drivers and did that install. They worked superbly. Not only did I get a small (5-7fps) increase, but the temps were no longer in the 34-35C range but more in the 31-33C range. However,
SPOILER*********
I only put the 4.9's on in the Delta Lab (I started getting the crashes near the Comm Lev.)
********************
I did get many more hours out of the game.
Just to let you all know some of my experiences with the 4.9 drivers and what you could expect (and if you are wanting to know if you need to upgrade your card)---
At the beginning of the game when you get your PDA the guy is typing, you can go behind him to read what he his typing. I used this as a gauge for how good the quality was.
All were taken at Ultra Quality, VSync ON, and NO AA *unless otherwise stated--
1600x1200 -- Readable NonZoom AND Zoomed however Low FPS (10-15 avg.) Also, ending cutscene before final fights, 7fps.
1280x1024 -- Readable slightly NonZoom and very readable Zoomed. (20~25fps)
1024x768 Discernable at NonZoom and readable at Zoomed.
800x600 ... as the mob says, Forget about it.
640x480 4xAA Horrible and GREAT FPS.
I would recommend 1280x1024 if you don't mind ~20fps sometimes higher, sometimes lower. It's not choppy but it isn't seamless either. Quality over quantity is my motto.
--Edit--
I did want to mention, I restarted the game on Nightmare (heh...wow, I'll last 2 monsters) at the 1280x1024 with Ultra and it was consistant at 10-20fps depending on light. There IS a slight pause going through some doors as well. It's a bit ... But if you want to deal with it you can. I read the HardOCP Doom 3 Test Guide and I lowered it to High Quality and it runs very smoothly with no pause between doors but for the most part only a 2-4fps gain. But that can make a difference. (As for the typing, it got slightly less readable, a touch better than the 1024x768 setting at NonZoom, but good quality readable at Zoom.) Based upon this, I would actually recommend High Quality and 1280x1024.
I'm brand new to this forum but I thought I could contribute a bit...
Alright, my machine is an AMD 2600+ Soyo KT-400 Ultra Plat. Ed. with 1.5 gigs of DDR 400 (running at 333) CAS2 Corsair RAM. No Dual Channel unfortunately...and a brand new 250 gig Maxtor 7200RPM w/ 8 meg cache HD that is cooled. Thermaltake 9 on my proc. I also use a thermometer in my chasis to detect air temperature. I use a 9700 Pro NOT overclocked. My system is TOTALLY stock except I fine-tuned the RAM settings to their max on my MoBo to get the max out of them.
I was running with Cat 4.7 drivers at (for the most part) 800x600 Ultra Quality No AA. I was getting very good framerates in close combats and for fuller scenes I would go down to around 20. No problems with lots of dudes/lights/etc. on the screen. When I started hitting the middle of the game where there was a lot of steam and other ambient effects I started getting the VPU recovery. Usually I could recover once and if it crashed again I'd have to ctrl-alt-del out. Well near the Delta area I started getting very irked and decided I would start scouring the net. (Side note, I did notice it crashed more often at higher res's which is why I lowered to 800x600.)
Found out my problem was common and the common variable was heat. OC'ed or not. I took my thermometer and placed it as close as possible to my video card and found the air temp to be around 34-35C at some points during game play where as non-gameplay it was 28-30C. I did conversions and found out these temps were around 90. I really couldn't understand why these temperatures were too hot for the video card but I decided I had to do something.
I found the 4.9 BETA drivers and did that install. They worked superbly. Not only did I get a small (5-7fps) increase, but the temps were no longer in the 34-35C range but more in the 31-33C range. However,
SPOILER*********
I only put the 4.9's on in the Delta Lab (I started getting the crashes near the Comm Lev.)
********************
I did get many more hours out of the game.
Just to let you all know some of my experiences with the 4.9 drivers and what you could expect (and if you are wanting to know if you need to upgrade your card)---
At the beginning of the game when you get your PDA the guy is typing, you can go behind him to read what he his typing. I used this as a gauge for how good the quality was.
All were taken at Ultra Quality, VSync ON, and NO AA *unless otherwise stated--
1600x1200 -- Readable NonZoom AND Zoomed however Low FPS (10-15 avg.) Also, ending cutscene before final fights, 7fps.
1280x1024 -- Readable slightly NonZoom and very readable Zoomed. (20~25fps)
1024x768 Discernable at NonZoom and readable at Zoomed.
800x600 ... as the mob says, Forget about it.
640x480 4xAA Horrible and GREAT FPS.
I would recommend 1280x1024 if you don't mind ~20fps sometimes higher, sometimes lower. It's not choppy but it isn't seamless either. Quality over quantity is my motto.
--Edit--
I did want to mention, I restarted the game on Nightmare (heh...wow, I'll last 2 monsters) at the 1280x1024 with Ultra and it was consistant at 10-20fps depending on light. There IS a slight pause going through some doors as well. It's a bit ...
But if you want to deal with it you can. I read the HardOCP Doom 3 Test Guide and I lowered it to High Quality and it runs very smoothly with no pause between doors but for the most part only a 2-4fps gain. But that can make a difference. (As for the typing, it got slightly less readable, a touch better than the 1024x768 setting at NonZoom, but good quality readable at Zoom.) Based upon this, I would actually recommend High Quality and 1280x1024.Doom 3 ATI-AIW 9800 128mb Pro Red & White Artifacts
My Artifacts come and go. I've tried everything that I can, short of buying an Nvidia BFG ..Darn things are sold out everywhere..lol
Heres what I've tried so far. Everything I've tried so far seems to work temporarily. Till at random the artifacts just start reapearing. Nothing is overclocked.
I can play for 2 hours. Quit. Read some emails. Start back on the game and I got artifacts.
I changed nothing.
HEAT: I don't think so. I shut down for and hour. Rebooted and started a new game.
Right off the bat I got artifacts in the Game's Main Menu. I know My CPU and case are pretty cool with plenty of ventilation.
Update Catalysts: Tried everything from 4.6 - 4.9 beta including Omega drivers.
The artifacts still come and go for no apparent reason.
(For some reason I can't get the 4.9 to install properly. Its installs the card ok but also shows 4 other unknown devices?) The game played ok but with the same artifacts.
Low, Medium, High, even Ultra High. It doesn't matter.
Unacceptable fixes tried anyways.:
Underclock: Same outcome. Works great for hours. Next time I play I see artifacts back.
Problem comes and go's
Turn off fast write: No good, same problems.
Disable write catching often works great, for a while. The problem returns again for no apparent reason.
Other people trying to claim its a bad cfg. file in the warez copy..lol that ain't it. I have both retail and warez vers.
One thing to note. I've had some problem although very very rarely with FarCry. White Artifacts only. Pausing for a second usualy gets rid of those.
AMD 64 +3000 Athlon
ASUS K8V Deluxe K8T800
Corsair 1GB TWINX1024 PC32000LLPRO
ATI-AIW Radeon 9800PRO 128MB
XP Pro
My Artifacts come and go. I've tried everything that I can, short of buying an Nvidia BFG ..Darn things are sold out everywhere..lol
Heres what I've tried so far. Everything I've tried so far seems to work temporarily. Till at random the artifacts just start reapearing. Nothing is overclocked.
I can play for 2 hours. Quit. Read some emails. Start back on the game and I got artifacts.
I changed nothing.
HEAT: I don't think so. I shut down for and hour. Rebooted and started a new game.
Right off the bat I got artifacts in the Game's Main Menu. I know My CPU and case are pretty cool with plenty of ventilation.
Update Catalysts: Tried everything from 4.6 - 4.9 beta including Omega drivers.
The artifacts still come and go for no apparent reason.
(For some reason I can't get the 4.9 to install properly. Its installs the card ok but also shows 4 other unknown devices?) The game played ok but with the same artifacts.
Low, Medium, High, even Ultra High. It doesn't matter.
Unacceptable fixes tried anyways.:
Underclock: Same outcome. Works great for hours. Next time I play I see artifacts back.
Problem comes and go's
Turn off fast write: No good, same problems.
Disable write catching often works great, for a while. The problem returns again for no apparent reason.
Other people trying to claim its a bad cfg. file in the warez copy..lol that ain't it. I have both retail and warez vers.
One thing to note. I've had some problem although very very rarely with FarCry. White Artifacts only. Pausing for a second usualy gets rid of those.
AMD 64 +3000 Athlon
ASUS K8V Deluxe K8T800
Corsair 1GB TWINX1024 PC32000LLPRO
ATI-AIW Radeon 9800PRO 128MB
XP Pro