Despite what AMD says in drivers, did s.o. test Ryzen 3000+Windows 7

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Exactly the problem here. You can't even type "windows 7" here without the flamethrowers coming out about how you're causing cancer to other people.



Seems reasonable. Then again, if you're GPU limited anyways and still want the extra cores, would be interested to see if the 1903 stuff even matters.
I actually have data pre-1903 and post-1903 for Windows 10 using the 2700X and Threadripper 2920X CPU's. Frankly, the results are underwhelming. That said, I have done only minimal game testing. On the application side, it didn't really make any difference. The difference from going with lower latency RAM or something along those lines is more pronounced. Game wise, I only tested four games. The only one it seemed to make any difference in is Destiny 2. However, the difference is essentially 2-5FPS at 4K, which can be substantial when you drop below 60FPS. The game often does doing things like Escalation Protocol, the Blind Well, or the Menagerie. I've seen the difference, but it can still drop just as low and doesn't get better FPS. It just seems like I get slightly better results more often in those situations. It's hard to call that conclusive since this was basically done by eyeball at the time. I've had a hell of a time making FRAPS work in Windows 10 1903, and I haven't tried NVIDIA's new tool. Even if I did, I have no pre-1903 data to accurately compare it with and I won't be doing that kind of testing. I simply don't have the time with all the reviews I have lined up.
 
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I actually have data pre-1903 and post-1903 for Windows 10 using the 2700X and Threadripper 2920X CPU's. Frankly, the results are underwhelming. That said, I have done only minimal game testing. On the application side, it didn't really make any difference. The difference from going with lower latency RAM or something along those lines is more pronounced. Game wise, I only tested four games. The only one it seemed to make any difference in is Destiny 2. However, the difference is essentially 2-5FPS at 4K, which can be substantial when you drop below 60FPS. The game often does doing things like Escalation Protocol, the Blind Well, or the Menagerie. I've seen the difference, but it can still drop just as low and doesn't get better FPS. It just seems like I get slightly better results more often in those situations. It's hard to call that conclusive since this was basically done by eyeball at the time. I've had a hell of a time making FRAPS work in Windows 10 1903, and I haven't tried NVIDIA's new tool. Even if I did, I have no pre-1903 data to accurately compare it with and I won't be doing that kind of testing. I simply don't have the time with all the reviews I have lined up.
Thanks for the info, looking forward to more reviews :)
 
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so does anyone who opens spam emails or browses some porn sites.
Whatabout?

there's so many holes in your argument that you can't possibly be serious.
There's more holes in the argument for trying to run Windows 7.


Seriously, if the plan is to get something working now and then transition, it's still a bad idea, but whatever. Trying to run an operating system after support has stopped isn't just a bad idea, it's negligent.
 

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Whatabout?



There's more holes in the argument for trying to run Windows 7.


Seriously, if the plan is to get something working now and then transition, it's still a bad idea, but whatever. Trying to run an operating system after support has stopped isn't just a bad idea, it's negligent.
people are more of a security threat than anyone running windows 7 will ever be.

so that means anyone running anything is more of a threat than an out of date OS.

can you back up your last sentence with anything that isn't conjecture or hearsay?
 

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people are more of a security threat than anyone running windows 7 will ever be.

so that means anyone running anything is more of a threat than an out of date OS.

can you back up your last sentence with anything that isn't conjecture or hearsay?
Seat belts don't save lives... morons drivers kill people.

Same logic in a different context sounds pretty stupid doesn't it.

Using windows 7 after support ends is driving without a seat belt. You'll probably be fine... and it will help if you drive like a grandpa on "Safe" roads. Still your driving without a seatbelt.

Will the windows 7 zombie botnet apocalypse happen the day support ends. No probably not.... but the chances of people catching and spreading nasty crap goes up every single minute past that point. So I don't know trying really hard to use a CPU you plan to use for 4 or 5 years a few months before the "it gets no better after his point" seems a bit silly and reckless to me.
 

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The moment you rely on your updated OS for security is the moment you failed. Triple so if your updated OS is Windows 10.
Should you run an operating system that is receiving security patches or not?

This is a very simple question in the computer security world, which should extend to enthusiasts (but apparently doesn't, somehow).
 

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See ChadD's response above.



Literally the most basic computer security practices.
bull fucking shit.

anyone who doesn't update their OS is also risking your little bubble.

that means anyone who refuses to use the latest windows 10 build too.

guess what after the debacle that GWX was there are very fucking few people who updated windows 7 or 8 or 8.1 and guess what the world is still here.

you're afraid of botnets?

then don't buy iot devices.

also xp was immune to wannacry.

so old os ftw.
 

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that means anyone who refuses to use the latest windows 10 build too.
Security patches go through. For everything, including the long-term support releases.

The rest of your post is clear whataboutist deflection. You can choose to not take security seriously, and you should know that you are a security risk, to yourself and everyone around you (and then, quite literally, everyone).
 
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I find it odd some on here demand others run the latest windows build, while at the same time some of them are ok with people not running security patches for their processors as it's no big deal suddenly.
 

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Security patches go through. For everything, including the long-term support releases.

The rest of your post is clear whataboutist deflection. You can choose to not take security seriously, and you should know that you are a security risk, to yourself and everyone around you (and then, quite literally, everyone).
hahahah security risk.

yep and the world is still here.

if you are running intel you are more of a security risk than me.
 

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I find it odd some on here demand others run the latest windows build, while at the same time some of them are ok with people not running security patches for their processors as it's no big deal suddenly.
These come in security updates for Windows- which Windows 7 will not be getting. These aren't from feature updates.

if you are running intel you are more of a security risk than me.
I'm patching, so no.
 

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So it seems that everything in Windows 7 chipset newest drivers from AMD as of 7/7/19 for B450 et X470 motherboards are the missing spec of the USB driver implemented in Ryzen 3000, and those seem the same as those from Ryzen 2000. So one only needs to change the setup info in the installer of the driver and it will run the USB hardware of the Ryzen 3000 without a problem. However the USB hardware in Ryzen 3000 may have more features that may not be supported by the drivers of Windows 7.... who cares.
Everything else seem to work. However the person who tested and others too, seem to have replaced an old Ryzen CPU with the new one on an already functional Windows 7 system. Would be interesting to know if someone installed Windows 7 from scratch on Ryzen 3000 with B450/X470 mobo. X570 mobo would be a pain as it is missing W7 drivers as a whole.
 

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This ridiculous back and forth is making my head spin, so I'll just throw this out there: since one needs to jump through so many more hoops to get Ryzen 3000 to work with Win 7, I'd argue anyone who makes a conscious decision to stick with Win 7 at this point is not the type to turn their computer into a ransomware spambot. :)
 
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This ridiculous back and forth is making my head spin, so I'll just throw this out there: since one needs to jump through so many more hoops to get Ryzen 3000 to work with Win 7, I'd argue anyone who makes a conscious decision to stick with Win 7 at this point is not the type to turn their computer into a ransomware spambot. :)
In my experience errogence is the biggest security threat. Second to stupidity... but it's not really a close second. :) IME

I'm sure every [H] user for sure is super secure with ancient outdated operating systems. No not every windows 7 install becomes part of an evil bot net the day security updates end. The odds do however go up every day past that point, no matter how secure you believe the rest of your PC practices are. Security is all about risk aversion, nothing is ever 100% secure.... but some things are much more insecure. Windows is more insecure then Linux.. that doesn't make Linux 100% secure. Windows 10 is right now today more secure then windows 7, and zero doubt the day security updates end for 7 the difference grows each and every single day.

I think we have answered the OS question in this thread anyway... ya you can probably get the 3000 to work at least on an older board with supported drivers. It's not official and you'll be missing a few SMT performance fixes MS has added to the windows 10 scheduler. And even if you get it to work in 6 months your options are to roll the dice and trust your firewalls and other security to be enough or pay MS for continued support. From a strict "will it run windows 7" will it run Linux type position... why not try and get windows XP or Vista up and running in would be funnier. Or Perhaps ME booting off Ryzen 3000 from a PCI gen 4 NVMe. ;)

And as I will also leave this thread and I haven't said it until now.... Linux my friend. 100x more customization, faster, more secure... and if it's games keeping you on win 7. Linux can easily handle 90-95% at least of most peoples libraries right now perhaps more. AND with ryzen 3000 the small hit to performance you will see in some titles will be imperceptible. (and I'm out. lol)
 

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so does anyone who opens spam emails or browses some porn sites.

there's so many holes in your argument that you can't possibly be serious.
It seems to be a pattern in other debates as well.
Strong opinions combined low technical understanding usually bring up those kind of hole filled arguments
 

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its also higlly hilarious that questions about windows 7 get s this must flack when we have several threads where people are praised for trying to run windowxp or win9x machines
 

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Well I swapped the hard drive from my C2Q system to the new ryzen 2600 system I put together. I pre-downloaded the drivers for everything before hand made the swap and booted with PS2 keyboard and mouse untill USB drivers were installed. Everything works fine. No problems. FYI. The mobo manufacturer and AMD both have full drivers available for Win7. Seems like its supported to me?
 

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Well I swapped the hard drive from my C2Q system to the new ryzen 2600 system I put together. I pre-downloaded the drivers for everything before hand made the swap and booted with PS2 keyboard and mouse untill USB drivers were installed. Everything works fine. No problems. FYI. The mobo manufacturer and AMD both have full drivers available for Win7. Seems like its supported to me?
Good to see you have it working. That said, Windows 10 Mobile is supported for now as well but..... ;)
 

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Good to see you have it working. That said, Windows 10 Mobile is supported for now as well but..... ;)
and you support microsoft deleting software on your system without warning according to your own statement. But where are we going with all these OT comments?
 

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Well I swapped the hard drive from my C2Q system to the new ryzen 2600 system I put together. I pre-downloaded the drivers for everything before hand made the swap and booted with PS2 keyboard and mouse untill USB drivers were installed. Everything works fine. No problems. FYI. The mobo manufacturer and AMD both have full drivers available for Win7. Seems like its supported to me?
Thank you for actually sharing technical information on a technical forum. instead of using it as facebook
 

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its also higlly hilarious that questions about windows 7 get s this must flack when we have several threads where people are praised for trying to run windowxp or win9x machines
They are? If so, it's likely they are doing so to run a specific piece of software and are not using it as their daily machine just because they like Windows ME's GUI the best.

The issue you is you have a ton of sys admins and sys engineers on this forum that have to deal with the fallout from people doing stupid things. If you want to run Windows 7 up until the day it is no longer supported, more power to you but once support is gone, you're doing yourself and everyone else no favors by continuing to run it.
 

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Like knowing how pixels response time physically works so you don't make technical invalid arguments like: "...every pixel must refresh completely within 1000/120 seconds, or 8.3ms. If the panel can refresh that fast, then there will be no blur."
OP was seeking information instead of just makaing up theories like .. oh i dont know who it was

https://hardforum.com/threads/240hz-is-best-quantitatively.1983341/page-2#post-1044249256
But very funny you claim "you should know better"

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had to add in this gem of understanding the term "USB powered"

https://hardforum.com/threads/buzz-hum-through-jbl-active-desktop-monitors-when-gpu-is-under-load-regardless-of-soundcard.1973736/#post-1043997611

I mean this guy is spew out that things are "retarded" or "makes no sense", and in the end it shows up he just don't get what he is talking about

I highly recommend follow his post's they are quite the comical release.
Ugh... I think you misunderstood the USB powered one, He was asking about a DAC (Digital to Analog converter) being optical, as in sending a digital signal via optical, which after converting to ANALOG would require it to convert it back to Digital.. meaning it's probably not doing that, and it's probably not a DAC, or not functioning as one.

I'm not sure you should be throwing any stones here.
 

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This ridiculous back and forth is making my head spin, so I'll just throw this out there: since one needs to jump through so many more hoops to get Ryzen 3000 to work with Win 7, I'd argue anyone who makes a conscious decision to stick with Win 7 at this point is not the type to turn their computer into a ransomware spambot. :)
Exactly. The people extolling security advice to Win7 users are likely those who've been burned in the past and necessarily need Win10 to save themselves from themselves. :pompous:

They are? If so, it's likely they are doing so to run a specific piece of software and are not using it as their daily machine just because they like Windows ME's GUI the best.
OMG I'm *so* glad you put that out there, because that's the damn truth, nothing but fluffy UI regression from that point on. :p:LOL:
 

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They are? If so, it's likely they are doing so to run a specific piece of software and are not using it as their daily machine just because they like Windows ME's GUI the best.

The issue you is you have a ton of sys admins and sys engineers on this forum that have to deal with the fallout from people doing stupid things. If you want to run Windows 7 up until the day it is no longer supported, more power to you but once support is gone, you're doing yourself and everyone else no favors by continuing to run it.
I think most of the peopl here being thread crapping with windows 10 "propaganda" are probably not sysadmin.
If so they would actually mention something more evidencial than just usual vague shit

I bet not half of them know how a buffer overflow attack works but still spit out "security issues"
I mean one of them dont even know what usb powered means

So the question is:
Are you a sys admin?
Do you work for an MSP?
Whiteglove service?
 

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I think most of the peopl here being thread crapping with windows 10 "propaganda" are probably not sysadmin.
If so they would actually mention something more evidencial than just usual vague shit

I bet not half of them know how a buffer overflow attack works but still spit out "security issues"
I mean one of them dont even know what usb powered means

So the question is:
Are you a sys admin?
Do you work for an MSP?
Whiteglove service?
Your reading comprehension is questionable.
 

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They are? If so, it's likely they are doing so to run a specific piece of software and are not using it as their daily machine just because they like Windows ME's GUI the best.

The issue you is you have a ton of sys admins and sys engineers on this forum that have to deal with the fallout from people doing stupid things. If you want to run Windows 7 up until the day it is no longer supported, more power to you but once support is gone, you're doing yourself and everyone else no favors by continuing to run it.
I couldn't give less shit about what someone thinks about my OS choice for my personal system.
 

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Exactly. The people extolling security advice to Win7 users are likely those who've been burned in the past and necessarily need Win10 to save themselves from themselves. :pompous:
QFT
 

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I couldn't give less shit about what someone thinks about my OS choice for my personal system.
Great, so hopefully you won't have a question about if anyone has tested if XP SP1 works with Zen 2, 64GB of ram and a 5700XT because you prefer not to have a built in windows firewall because it takes away from your user experience.
 

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Great, so hopefully you won't have a question about if anyone has tested if XP SP1 works with Zen 2, 64GB of ram and a 5700XT because you prefer not to have a built in windows firewall because it takes away from your user experience.
I would have a question about how they went about achieving that non trivial feat.
 

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Actually wherever I look for the 3900X it's overpriced when available, so I'll have to wait, probably till September. I hope there will be some real tests on how to install Windows 7 from scratch.
Nice to see all the stuff around the PCI bus on Ryzen 3000 is supported on W7 and that the USB port renaming in Ryzen 3000 (and so missing on W7 drivers) seems to have found its solution. But the people who installed Ryzen 3000 have switched older Ryzen with the new one on preinstalled and up to date W7 system.
 

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Actually wherever I look for the 3900X it's overpriced when available, so I'll have to wait, probably till September. I hope there will be some real tests on how to install Windows 7 from scratch.
Nice to see all the stuff around the PCI bus on Ryzen 3000 is supported on W7 and that the USB port renaming in Ryzen 3000 (and so missing on W7 drivers) seems to have found its solution. But the people who installed Ryzen 3000 have switched older Ryzen with the new one on preinstalled and up to date W7 system.
Where do you live that the 3900X would be overpriced? It is $499 US Dollars everywhere I look, except from the ebay scalpers, who can eat it. As for getting a good and stable install of Windows 7 on this newest platform, good luck and enjoy.
 

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Where do you live that the 3900X would be overpriced? It is $499 US Dollars everywhere I look, except from the ebay scalpers, who can eat it. As for getting a good and stable install of Windows 7 on this newest platform, good luck and enjoy.
In France it's nearly non available. You can buy it for more than 600 euros (should be less than 550) but have to wait a couple of weeks, but generally they won't respect that and they get your money but would send the CPU whenever they want. Amazon Europe sells it at the "standard" price, 540 euros but "generally available in one month or two" means they have no date. At AMD USA directly, same thing, not in stock. But I'd like to buy it from France since I will retrieve it from my professional taxes.

Mind, even if 1 euro is more expensive than 1 dollar, much higher taxes must be applied in France, starting with 20% VTA. This is why the standard price for Ryzen 9 3900X is 540 euros.
 
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