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Define Irony

BillR

BillR

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Irony is watching as your 2.55 gig AMD64 crunches it’s way though a 6.5 point work unit while your slowest machine gets the 277.00 pointer. :rolleyes:
 
I know the feeling. That's why at times I do a little cut and paste action to swap them around. I wish I could have done that easily between my work computer and my home system. The PIII 700 at work kept getting all the nice big Tinkers while the system in my sig was getting little Gromacs units.
 
Define Irony?

I know ,I know Mr. Bill:

A region of Germany: Irony borders with Saxony.

Hence the term: Ironic people possess a propensity to play Sax. :p
 
Irony:

The average cost of rehabilitating one seal after the Exxon Valdez
oil spill in Alaska was $80,000. At a special ceremony, two of the most
expensively saved animals were released back into the wild amid cheers
and applause from onlookers. One minute later, the cheering suddenly
stopped and the crowd watched while both seals were eaten by a killer
whale.

A psychology student rented out her spare room to a carpenter in
order to nag him constantly and study his reactions. After weeks of
needling, he snapped and beat her repeatedly with an ax leaving her
mentally retarded.

Two animal rights protesters were protesting at the cruelty of
sending pigs to a slaughterhouse in Bonn. Suddenly the pigs, all two
thousand of them, escaped through a broken fence and stampeded,
trampling the two hapless protesters to death.

Iraqi terrorist, Khay Rahnajet, didn't pay enough postage on a
letter bomb. It came back with "return to sender" stamped on it.
..need I really explain the ironic conclusion?

Or is real irony a "muzak" version of Alanis Morrisette's "Ironic"?
 
relic said:
Irony:

The average cost of rehabilitating one seal after the Exxon Valdez
oil spill in Alaska was $80,000. At a special ceremony, two of the most
expensively saved animals were released back into the wild amid cheers
and applause from onlookers. One minute later, the cheering suddenly
stopped and the crowd watched while both seals were eaten by a killer
whale.

A psychology student rented out her spare room to a carpenter in
order to nag him constantly and study his reactions. After weeks of
needling, he snapped and beat her repeatedly with an ax leaving her
mentally retarded.

Two animal rights protesters were protesting at the cruelty of
sending pigs to a slaughterhouse in Bonn. Suddenly the pigs, all two
thousand of them, escaped through a broken fence and stampeded,
trampling the two hapless protesters to death.

Iraqi terrorist, Khay Rahnajet, didn't pay enough postage on a
letter bomb. It came back with "return to sender" stamped on it.
..need I really explain the ironic conclusion?

Or is real irony a "muzak" version of Alanis Morrisette's "Ironic"?
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Four out of five of relic’s examples involved the results of being a bit too liberal, the fifth of being a terrorist.

How fricking “Ironic” is that? ;)
 
BillR said:
Four out of five of relic’s examples involved the results of being a bit too liberal, the fifth of being a terrorist.

How fricking “Ironic” is that? ;)
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The bitter Irony of not believing/ following, " All things in Moderation".

Aw, Moderation! [ except with fine spirits of course! ]

Such a grand view from the middle of the road. Neither stumbling to right or left. Nor through litter and obstacles thrown onto the sides of the road. Just a good stretch-of-the- legs walking straight ahead towards home.

And speaking of fine spirits, or was it Irony, or the Irony of fine spirits, ...

A Grand Marnier induced poem recital is in order dammit. A Road Poem. Ha, the Irony of Roads! The roads I never heard of. Roads that I need not , nor would I drive-on for I am quite shitty at the moment. oooh GM.


Ok, I remember this one:

Not only sands and gravels
Were once more on their travels,
But gulping muddy gallons
Great boulders off their balance
Bumped heads together dully
And started down the gully.
Whole capes caked off in slices.
I felt my standpoint shaken
In the Universal crisis.

But with one step backward taken
I saved myself from going.
A world torn loose went by me.
Then the rain stopped and the blowing,
And the sun came out to dry me.

:p ;)

Me tips one back for the middle of the road. cheers :D
 
Once I thought I’d straddle the fence
That plagued my nether region, much pain and offence

I found one must be deft to stand with the left
Truth looses all meaning the mind is bereft

The truths I found to lay with the right
The truth allows me to sleep at night

Left right or center it’s all you choice
But it’s the right who will fight to protect your voice.

BillR ;)
 
How they are provided for upon the earth, ( appearing at intervals; )
How dear and dreadful they are to the earth;
How they inure themselves as much as to any--- What a paradox appears their age;
How people respond to them, yet know them not;
How there is something relentless in their fate, all times;
How all times mischoose the objects of their adulation and reward,
And how the same inexorable price must be paid for the same great purchase.


Walt Whitman

;)


Now this is Ironic:

http://www.imagelink.org/id11039.jpg :p
 
Papa-Ming said:
How they are provided for upon the earth, ( appearing at intervals; )
How dear and dreadful they are to the earth;
How they inure themselves as much as to any--- What a paradox appears their age;
How people respond to them, yet know them not;
How there is something relentless in their fate, all times;
How all times mischoose the objects of their adulation and reward,
And how the same inexorable price must be paid for the same great purchase.


Walt Whitman

;)


Now this is Ironic:

http://www.imagelink.org/id11039.jpg :p
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Ah, you counter my simple prose with the likes of Walt Whitman, a compliment indeed. While I understand what Mr. Whitman is trying to say I have trouble buying into the inevitability he proposes.

Re the link: It hurts me to admit that Heinz still makes the best Ketchup but they do. On the other hand everyone has to do at least one thing right even if it’s by proxy (read marriage). ;)
 
BillR said:
Ah, you counter my simple prose with the likes of Walt Whitman, a compliment indeed. While I understand what Mr. Whitman is trying to say I have trouble buying into the inevitability he proposes.

Re the link: It hurts me to admit that Heinz still makes the best Ketchup but they do. On the other hand everyone has to do at least one thing right even if it’s by proxy (read marriage). ;)
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A compliment for sure. And envy. Nicely done, You like Relic can write your own verse, I could never do that, Bard Bill. ;) I can only recite memorized/read required poems from childhood school days. Funny, I haven't thought about some of them in years........until lately.

Reading Mark Twain to fall asleep laughing.......

On Congress:

" Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. "

And also, on Diplomacy:

I asked Tom if countries always apologized when they did wrong, and he says---" Yes, the little ones do."
[ from Tom Sawyer Abroad.]

And of course:

" The political and commercial morals of the United states are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet. "

Ironic that Twain wrote those 100 years ago.

:p :D


P.S. Hunt's ketchup is pretty good too!
Humm , any middle - aged "single" ladies in that family Bill that we can scope-out? LOL.
 
No one beats Mark Twain for humor and wisdom.

In 1967 Hal Holbrook did a special called “Mark Twain Tonight”. It’s available on DVD (first choice) or audio CD. Either way I promise you from beginning to end nonstop laughter, not to mention a bit of education.

That sort of humor is the kind everyone can share together. Twain was timless. :D
 
BillR said:
No one beats Mark Twain for humor and wisdom.

In 1967 Hal Holbrook did a special called “Mark Twain Tonight”. It’s available on DVD (first choice) or audio CD. Either way I promise you from beginning to end nonstop laughter, not to mention a bit of education.

That sort of humor is the kind everyone can share together. Twain was timless. :D
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My father gave me my first book, of many he gave as gifts, when I was eight. It was Tom Sawyer. We still have that old copy at home, and prize it more then anything.

Hal Holbrook played Lincoln around 1970 or so too. For the Halmark Hall of Fame maybe?
I don't remember seeing the Mark Twain one though, so thanks! I'll look at getting both on DVD hopefully. :)

P.S.

If Mark Twain and Lincoln had e-mail?

Far future biographers, historians, etc. chronicling our time; will never enjoy the human information about people, society, world events, soldiers lives, daily lives, through the letters written and left behind by the millions who needed for centuries to put pen to paper and sent the messenger off with it. Then found years later in shoe boxes, books, in walls.
No, they'll find deleted, empty, inboxes.
And carefully preserved recordings of what the Cable/ Network News "said" really happened. :p :eek:
 
Yup, and I just found and dusted off my copy of Tom Sawyer. Haven't picked that book up in 30 or so years, time for a good read ;)

With Twain there is as much humor between the lines as there is in the printed words, perhaps more.
 
BillR said:
Yup, and I just found and dusted off my copy of Tom Sawyer. Haven't picked that book up in 30 or so years, time for a good read ;)

With Twain there is as much humor between the lines as there is in the printed words, perhaps more.
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Nods and smiles at dusty books,

"The Biography of Babe Ruth" in a pea puke green cloth cover was the book my Dad walked-in and gave me the following week, [ beyond dusty and fragile now ] so I'd have something to read when finished with Tom Sawyer. LOL. He hated T.V. and we weren't allowed to watch it. But at my age now, I agree with him. shrug.

Would Irony define casting a vote for the " Anti- Doughnut Party " candidate in the year
of the "Atkins" diet craze?

http://www.imagelink.org/id11209.jpg

A write-in vote. That doubless won't be looked upon with Irony by officials. jk :p


AtomicMoose said:
Now we have a third kind of thread hijack here:

The "Mark Twain Hijack"

:D
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But we're on topic for the third hijack!! Until BiilR brings up the correct way to dismount a fence or something. Or relic does the oily animal, axes, terrorist thing.
Hell, we haven't gotten to Carl Sandburg yet. :D
 
Papa-Ming said:
Nods and smiles at dusty books,

"The Biography of Babe Ruth" in a pea puke green cloth cover was the book my Dad walked-in and gave me the following week, [ beyond dusty and fragile now ] so I'd have something to read when finished with Tom Sawyer. LOL. He hated T.V. and we weren't allowed to watch it. But at my age now, I agree with him. shrug.

Would Irony define casting a vote for the " Anti- Doughnut Party " candidate in the year
of the "Atkins" diet craze?

http://www.imagelink.org/id11209.jpg

A write-in vote. That doubless won't be looked upon with Irony by officials. jk :p




But we're on topic for the third hijack!! Until BiilR brings up the correct way to dismount a fence or something. Or relic does the oily animal, axes, terrorist thing.
Hell, we haven't gotten to Carl Sandburg yet. :D
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Fence dismounting is quite the art actually. It’s largely dependent on the type of fence of course.

Your typical flat top wooden fence isn’t really to bad, you sort of rock back and swing a leg over and hope for no more then a splinter.

If on the other hand you have landed on the pointed picket type fence it’s a bit more complicated. Assuming best-case scenario you have landed between the pickets and are minimally damaged, you have but to choose which pain you wish to endure more. By leaning back (as illustrated in the first example) you chance a wound to your posterior region. However, since that region already has a large indentation anyway additional damage is less likely (some here might even find the experience enjoyable). By leaning forward you of course decrease your chance of further procreation and increase the likelihood of unbearable pain as well as torn and or missing parts. It’s a tough choice, but one that has to be made.

The absolute worst thing is to have landed on one of those evil iron fences with the spear like points. You could try the “picket fence” method I mentioned above, but please call first. We would all like pictures.

Luck to you fence sitters everywhere ;)
 
BillR said:
Luck to you fence sitters everywhere ;)
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Fences made from fieldstone are nice and smooth too. Only need to slide- off an old New England fieldstone fence with minimal, or no injury. It used to be a winter sport there in days of old.
Robert Frost was fond of his New England fences in Vermont: "Good Fences make Good Neighbors" , or, "Don't ever take down a fence until you know why it was put up. " He wasn't a skeptic.

But only two sides of the fence to choose from though....humm. One side is harvesting the "corn". While the other side is giving the "berries." (The cranberries along Cape Cod )

Ironic.

Could be eight fences in one field though, each growing something different within to offer. That multiplies the sides considerably. ;)

I'm liking the "Anti-Doughnut" thing.

And a nod to Teddy Roosevelt:

[ Man if only T.R. were here! Damn, I'd buy a horse and everything.]

http://www.imagelink.org/id11347.jpg

And... and... because It was just "coincidental." ;) :D
 
Papa-Ming said:
Fences made from fieldstone are nice and smooth too. Only need to slide- off an old New England fieldstone fence with minimal, or no injury. It used to be a winter sport there in days of old.
Robert Frost was fond of his New England fences in Vermont: "Good Fences make Good Neighbors" , or, "Don't ever take down a fence until you know why it was put up. " He wasn't a skeptic.

But only two sides of the fence to choose from though....humm. One side is harvesting the "corn". While the other side is giving the "berries." (The cranberries along Cape Cod )

Ironic.

Could be eight fences in one field though, each growing something different within to offer. That multiplies the sides considerably. ;)

I'm liking the "Anti-Doughnut" thing.

And a nod to Teddy Roosevelt:

[ Man if only T.R. were here! Damn, I'd buy a horse and everything.]

http://www.imagelink.org/id11347.jpg

And... and... because It was just "coincidental." ;) :D
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Dear God, I hope your not suggesting “Moose for President”….although, give all the choices…..

We both neglected the absolute worst fence of all. The dreaded “Estate Fence”. You know the ones I mean, tall brick or stone structure but with a “Liberal” application of glass shards embedded in the top. There is no good way to dismount that fence I can possibly think of and still retain a shred (shard?) of dignity. ;)
 
Dear God, I hope your not suggesting “Moose for President”….
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I bet he'd get more votes than the candidate from the "Jackass" party. I'd vote for Moose as King of the World before I'd help elect that guy to a rural Guatemala school board. :eek:
 
I've seen this happen so many times when I had my K6III-450 going. It seemed like it got all the high point value protiens (which I'll assume takes more time to process) while my main machine AMD Thunderbird 1200MHz would get the lower value (and easier to process) ones. It would literally take a couple of weeks for it to finish.
 
BillR said:
Dear God, I hope your not suggesting “Moose for President”….although, give all the choices…..

We both neglected the absolute worst fence of all. The dreaded “Estate Fence”. You know the ones I mean, tall brick or stone structure but with a “Liberal” application of glass shards embedded in the top. There is no good way to dismount that fence I can possibly think of and still retain a shred (shard?) of dignity. ;)
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Estate Fences. So true. Having been born and raised in Newport, R.I. we had lots of those. And none of the owners came from R.I. but from other parts. As was the case with Connecticut and Maine sometimes.
Those Fortune 500/ old money families merely came in the summer to dwell behind their Estate Fences when not out and about in the rest of the country pretenting they were: "shucks, just good ole regular downhome American boys." Dang- it. :rolleyes:


Of the animals that represent those who run the Big Top ; from "Dumbo"to "Jackass" .....[entertaining as a Circus may be]:

The "Bull Moose" clearly is the dignified, symbol of the North American continent and suited for running an actual country.

:D :D <------- T.R. 's grin
 
I just gotta say... this takes the cake for the strangest forum ive ever been in. ;)
 
Bodega said:
I just gotta say... this takes the cake for the strangest forum ive ever been in. ;)
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First you would have to define “strange”, but then of course that would be another topic wouldn’t it? ;)

Oh but wait, I forgot “takes the cake”. I guess we could go for metaphors, yet another topic switch :D
 
Bodega said:
strange
adj. strang·er, strang·est

1. BillR
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Naw, that's only the language of mystery common to those who have worked at "code breaking" for several Intelligence agencies through countless world conflicts.

It all started back at "Bletchley Park" really. And an uncle of Bill's who served with distinction for the British Army during WWII. That in the days when a passage in a poem meant the difference between victory or defeat.

Then there was his cousin, 4 times removed, from Arizona who was with the Wind Talkers.

His is a long family heritage serving the good guys, thanklessly, behind the scenes. And that he's too modest and , naturally cautious, to reveal. ;)

:D<----------- T.R.'s grin!
 
next time im home i can put up another 7.8ghz, 9.8 if i can get a dual 370 board ;)
- and 3.6 more if i can win this ebay auction :D

<3 when people actually pay me back money they owe me
 
Heres a piece of education for all you guys: I'm sure most of everybody watched the windtalkers movie, but do you really know who trained the indians in that war.

Well I am going to let you in on some of my family history. My grandfather was running a trading post in north east Arizona and was working with the government before then. He had a great relationship with the indians, so when the US government needed his help, he helped.
He trained the indians to be code talkers, their code couldn't be broken by the Japanese during the war.

Whatever the mgm website says is completely false, during the time my grandfather trained the indians, my father was helping his dad with running of the trading post. The location of the training was not in California, like the movie shows, it was in Flagstaff, AZ

Now tell me how Ironic that is?

So Papa-ming there is some info about the windtalkers.
 
Scorpionjwp said:
Heres a piece of education for all you guys: I'm sure most of everybody watched the windtalkers movie, but do you really know who trained the indians in that war.

Well I am going to let you in on some of my family history. My grandfather was running a trading post in north east Arizona and was working with the government before then. He had a great relationship with the indians, so when the US government needed his help, he helped.
He trained the indians to be code talkers, their code couldn't be broken by the Japanese during the war.

Whatever the mgm website says is completely false, during the time my grandfather trained the indians, my father was helping his dad with running of the trading post. The location of the training was not in California, like the movie shows, it was in Flagstaff, AZ

Now tell me how Ironic that is?

So Papa-ming there is some info about the windtalkers.
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MGM or any Hollywood entity misrepresenting the facts? Lol, There is no irony in that at all my friend. That’s SOP for that bunch.

You on the other hand have a cool distinguished family history, something to be really proud of. Pretty good story, thank you for sharing with us. And thank you for setting the record straight. :D
 
Scorpionjwp said:
Heres a piece of education for all you guys: I'm sure most of everybody watched the windtalkers movie, but do you really know who trained the indians in that war.

Well I am going to let you in on some of my family history. My grandfather was running a trading post in north east Arizona and was working with the government before then. He had a great relationship with the indians, so when the US government needed his help, he helped.
He trained the indians to be code talkers, their code couldn't be broken by the Japanese during the war.

Whatever the mgm website says is completely false, during the time my grandfather trained the indians, my father was helping his dad with running of the trading post. The location of the training was not in California, like the movie shows, it was in Flagstaff, AZ

Now tell me how Ironic that is?

So Papa-ming there is some info about the windtalkers.
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Actually, I never saw the movie. What little I know sadly, about the Wind Talkers came from the History Channel some years ago. Likely where I got the Arizona connection from.

Scorpionjwp, history passed down through family in this way is such a gift. Living History. Talking to elder members of family to save the stories for future generations is a tradition that I hope makes a come back.

Did you or your Dad and Granddad document any of those events? Have them all gathered together, so forth. In fact, Is there a record to give to the University of Arizona etc. So that future Historians looking to futher study the story of the Wind Talkers might access it. Seriously.

I wonder that our History will be lost in E-Mail inboxes. Abraham Lincoln's letter to Mrs. Bixby if sent by e-mail, may never have survived through the ages, as an extreme example. But that might be the future, for those looking back at our time.

A lot of History is disappearing, I guess that's what I meant. So a pleasure to come across your story today, and yes it is Ironic.

As for my mentioning Bletchley Park and the Wind Talkers, I was poking fun at BillR and myself for the way we've been having great fun "talking around" a subject. :p

:D :D <----- T.R.
 
AtomicMoose finally hearing the annoucement New FCC Rules To Allow Broadband via Power Lines

Upon hearing the news that Broadband is finally available in his area, AtomicMoose attempts a self install.



AtomicMoose.JPG
 
I just saw that picture of the moose hanging up on the power pole and laughed my butt off.

Back to what Papa-ming said, well there is some recorded documentation in the US archives about my grandfather training the navajo indians to be code talkers. As for information at the University of Arizona, there is some info but not enough.

For any person who has traveled through the Phoenix International Airport, the indian rugs hanging throughout the airport are from my grandfathers trading post. I also let you know, if anyone have seen the John Wayne movies, the hats he worn were made by my grandfather also.
Sadly enough, he retired from the trading post and helped my father raise me. Then he passed away in 1982, so the legend of my grandfather was passed down to me. I keep two items to remind me of my grandfather, a hand painting from the artist that did the pictures of Nixon-JFK in the white house and a cockoo clock.

That picture doesn't beat the picture of a deer stuck up on a power pole. (Hint: railroad tracks near power pole) you can only imagine of how the deer got up there. The friction of train passing by, struck deer and lobbed it onto the power pole.
 
Being as I'm an Arizonan, I'll represent, as it were.

I haven't been up to Phoenix in quite a while, though I do recall some rugs adorning various places. Its a very distinguished family history you have, be proud.

R.I.P our moose friend.:(
 
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