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Deciding between 2001FP 2005FPW, HELP
- Thread starter aldy402
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Good choice.
My order said it would take 3 weeks but I had it within 5 days using their free shipping, which turned out to be UPS.
As far as dot pitch, the smaller the better. Both of these Dell 20" monitors are in the .25x range. 19" LCD's are the worst since they run at 1280x1024, which gives you a .294 dot pitch. If they ever get 19" LCD's to run 1600x1200, then the dot pitch would be outstanding.
You wanna see the effects of a high dot pitch, walk right up to a regular TV and you can see every pixel that makes up the picture.
So far I love my 2005FPW. Still can't find a bad pixel.
My order said it would take 3 weeks but I had it within 5 days using their free shipping, which turned out to be UPS.
As far as dot pitch, the smaller the better. Both of these Dell 20" monitors are in the .25x range. 19" LCD's are the worst since they run at 1280x1024, which gives you a .294 dot pitch. If they ever get 19" LCD's to run 1600x1200, then the dot pitch would be outstanding.
You wanna see the effects of a high dot pitch, walk right up to a regular TV and you can see every pixel that makes up the picture.
So far I love my 2005FPW. Still can't find a bad pixel.
It's known that 2005FPW has panel is made by LG.Philips
(LM201W01 IPS-S 16ms(12ms g-t-g)).For example,Nec 2080UX+
has the same panel (LM201U04 IPS-S 16ms, but not wide)
and many users complained that they had seen horizontal
strips on gray background mostly.
Doesn't 2005FPW have the same problem?
Effect like this(4 brown strips at the top left part
of pic):
http://shp1994.hotbox.ru/REBKschen_Streifen.jpg
You cannot notice it in too dark or too bright areas.
Interval between the strips is 2 pixels.
(LM201W01 IPS-S 16ms(12ms g-t-g)).For example,Nec 2080UX+
has the same panel (LM201U04 IPS-S 16ms, but not wide)
and many users complained that they had seen horizontal
strips on gray background mostly.
Doesn't 2005FPW have the same problem?
Effect like this(4 brown strips at the top left part
of pic):
http://shp1994.hotbox.ru/REBKschen_Streifen.jpg
You cannot notice it in too dark or too bright areas.
Interval between the strips is 2 pixels.
Well, I've put just about every color as a solid background on my screen using the Windows Marquee screen saver. I honestly can't find one bad or even stuck pixel on this thing. I'm lucky I guess.
My Viewsonic VP912B did have one pixel that was stuck on blue. You could only see it on a black background and of course a pixel is tiny. No big deal.
The Viewsonic also had some obvious white light bleeding at the top center of the screen. Almost like there's a bright white light source behind the panel and there was a tiny gap at the top where a little came through. Maybe the monitor frame wasn't tightened down enough to the panel. I assume this is what people call backlighting and I guess it can only happen around the edges of the monitor.
There is one anomaly on this monitor (2005FPW) when the background is all black and my room is dark, but it's different than above. It almost seems like there's reflections on the panel itself, depending on the angle you look at it. Head on you can't see it, moving your head around, the reflection(s) seems to move around anywhere on the panel. They're like a really dark copper color. Since my room is pitch dark, I'm not sure where the reflections would be coming from. I've seen pictures of it on this forum, usually the picture is taken from an extreme side angle. In day time you can't see it all all. Again, no big deal, you can hardly notice it.
I love this thing and I can't stop staring at it.
My Viewsonic VP912B did have one pixel that was stuck on blue. You could only see it on a black background and of course a pixel is tiny. No big deal.
The Viewsonic also had some obvious white light bleeding at the top center of the screen. Almost like there's a bright white light source behind the panel and there was a tiny gap at the top where a little came through. Maybe the monitor frame wasn't tightened down enough to the panel. I assume this is what people call backlighting and I guess it can only happen around the edges of the monitor.
There is one anomaly on this monitor (2005FPW) when the background is all black and my room is dark, but it's different than above. It almost seems like there's reflections on the panel itself, depending on the angle you look at it. Head on you can't see it, moving your head around, the reflection(s) seems to move around anywhere on the panel. They're like a really dark copper color. Since my room is pitch dark, I'm not sure where the reflections would be coming from. I've seen pictures of it on this forum, usually the picture is taken from an extreme side angle. In day time you can't see it all all. Again, no big deal, you can hardly notice it.
I love this thing and I can't stop staring at it.
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aldy402 said:
Aldy do you have a camera where you could take a pic in the dark to show what I could expect? I'd sort of like to use the monitor as an HDTV to watch DVD's from a distance and even minimal backlighting would get on my nerves I think. It's a real toss up for me right now because I can afford to buy this monitor right now or I could save up a couple of months and get the 2405FPW, which seems like a better choice overall. Congrats on your purchase BTW.
burningrave101
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steviep said:
Your also going to have to have a high-end system to play new games at its native resolution.
aldy402 said:
Yeah, seriously, I think people are just tailing other people just because they have a little issue about the black light and they all making a big exaggerating fuss about it because someone before them also complained. For example, I don't see why people praise about newegg prices when they aren't even low compare to other vendors and how their fast shipping when you have to pay for the shipping itself, on the other hand, you get free shipping from other vendors and still get here in two days. I understand the customer service but that just went way out of hand.
Edit: I bet they are going to make a fuss about the Logitech MX518 also and even though they can't tell the difference regarding the 510.
I agree. Some people blew the backlight thing out of proportion.
Some of the pictures posted here definitely show backlight problems, any monitor can have it if it's not put together properly. Alot of the pictures looked like normal reflections on the panel. In a dark room with a black background, the front of my 2005FPW does shimmer with what some poeple call backlighting, but to me they're just reflections that move around depending on which way I look at it. They're not isolated to any edge or corner. Head on, they all disappear.
A stuck pixel or two wouldn't bother me. A bad pixel might bother me depending on where it was. I have a friend with a 23" Gateway LCD monitor with a couple of bad pixels and they're ugly.
The 2005FPW is a really nice monitor and I'm sure the 2001FP is just as good. Dell probably sells many thousands of these things and I'm sure 99% of people are happy with them.them.
Some of the pictures posted here definitely show backlight problems, any monitor can have it if it's not put together properly. Alot of the pictures looked like normal reflections on the panel. In a dark room with a black background, the front of my 2005FPW does shimmer with what some poeple call backlighting, but to me they're just reflections that move around depending on which way I look at it. They're not isolated to any edge or corner. Head on, they all disappear.
A stuck pixel or two wouldn't bother me. A bad pixel might bother me depending on where it was. I have a friend with a 23" Gateway LCD monitor with a couple of bad pixels and they're ugly.
The 2005FPW is a really nice monitor and I'm sure the 2001FP is just as good. Dell probably sells many thousands of these things and I'm sure 99% of people are happy with them.them.
aldy402 said:
chizu said:
You're speaking in generalities....take a couple of cases as an example then apply it to everything....it's just bad logic.
Backlighting overexaggerated? I've seen some screenies of the 2005fpw that had horrible backlighting in the corners. And these shots taken in a fully lit room. No way would I want one and neither would you. Backlighting problems are not at one constant mild intensity. To take a minor case of backlighting and say everyone who has the problem is experiencing this.....sorry....wrong!
Newegg. I just bought a NEC/Mitsu 22" incher. One dollar shipping and one of the cheapest non-refurb prices I can find. BTW, the shipping was their Express Saver flavor. Took three days across the country. A couple of months earlier I bought a highish end MX700 remote control from them. Cheapest price I could find. They are cheap and their service is good. What else do you want.
Some backlight was really bad but in most cases it was exaggerated. I got one of the first ones released as I ordered at the very beginning of December. Backlight was there but I have had the monitor for about 4 months now. Gaming is awesmoe and like someone mentioned, it's kind of silly to watch movies on such a small screen but even with the backlight this is not big deal.
I actually just bought a second 2005FPW today from a forum member. Two Shuttles, each with their own 2005FPW I'm gonna be in heaven, I don't leave my room enough as it is
I actually just bought a second 2005FPW today from a forum member. Two Shuttles, each with their own 2005FPW I'm gonna be in heaven, I don't leave my room enough as it is
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burningrave101 said:
True but with the 2405, if you play games in the 1:1 aspect ratio you aren't sacrifacing screen space like you would if you were to use the 2005FPW and coming from a 19" CRT like I am. Scaling down is no big deal either if the game still looks good enough. 4" extra, component input, no backlighting issues, I'm almost sold. It's a tough decision though.
Greenwit said:
Like you said, you only have seen some that are posted up here but I think the rest are exaggerated. You're right, I don't want a bleeding monitor and that don't mean I have to exaggerate regarding the bleeding issue. Newegg just come up with the $.99 shipping but they apply all the fee on the price so basically you're paying for the shipping. IMO, I think Amazon has better prices than newegg and their free shipping is also fast too. I have to agree that Newegg got the best customer service but I think they have used that tatic to raise their prices and of course that's just my opinion.
peacetilence said:
sorry for the slow response, I don't have a camera but seriously with new april revs., backlighting is not much of a problem. I watched ALIAS, which is very dark and had no problem whatsoever. If your a movie goer, this will make you VERY happy
bench261 said:
hey bench, i finally got a 2005fpw (remember me?) anyways, i seriously think a 2405fpw is just too BIG, It would be hot for movies but every multi-tasking, browsing the internet or playing doom3 ? its just way too bid, and it might give you headaches, or loss of vision lol
anyway thats my 2 cents, but i guess everybody has a differnt absolutely threshold for size and vision
but i would seriously play around in a windows environment with a 24inch b4 I would spend so much money
Hi, I just got my FPW , however it is a bit too bright to me. Is there any way (3rd party program) to decrease the brightness of it. Physically I reduced it to 0, but still bright. My eyes hurts. Already adjusted Gamma settings at the videocard settings. I am using it via DVI. Please share your thoughts on it.
Maybe use the monitor in a bright room light? Maybe it's defective. Maybe you're like me and need to return the thing and stay with CRT.
In my case I didn't initially have a problem with the brightness. It was after a couple of weeks that I begain having headaches and eyestrain. It's usually during this period that people adjust to an LCD.
You can always hang it from the ceiling and use it as an extra room lite.
In my case I didn't initially have a problem with the brightness. It was after a couple of weeks that I begain having headaches and eyestrain. It's usually during this period that people adjust to an LCD.
You can always hang it from the ceiling and use it as an extra room lite.
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i cant decide on the 1905, 2001, or 2005. im not sure i want widescreen because i dont want to have to bother configuring everything for that. how do you make a game play widescreen? i want a second moniter to go with my 19'' fp937s so i can watch TV while i cruise the net or play games. (along with everything else duel moniters are used for) if i get the 2001 or 2005, would i be able to let them have thier res while my 19'' has its own res? not sure how that works. whats the 2001 have over the 1905 other than size? $500 +shipping is still quite alot for the 2001 or 2005
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Regarding widescreen gaming: yes, it's true that new games going forward will SUPPORT widescreen, just like most every (3D) game supports 5:4. However, (and this might be since it's a designer's eye) almost all games are DESIGNED to be played 4:3. Sure, you can alter this, or alter that, but the designers almost always design the experience for a 4:3 field of play.
Whether you can get the FPS to render in 16:10 is not the end of the discussion. That's a symptom of the growing over-technical view of PC games. Sure, you can watch a movie in its reformatted 4:3 version, but the director intended for you to see it in 2.35:1.
Whether you can get the FPS to render in 16:10 is not the end of the discussion. That's a symptom of the growing over-technical view of PC games. Sure, you can watch a movie in its reformatted 4:3 version, but the director intended for you to see it in 2.35:1.
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well said doublej, although many people seem to prefer widescreen gaming on games nowadays that are based on 4:3. Its kind of like, watching a tv show that can be put into widescreen from its original cut, and you just see a little more on both sides. Its not bad, and it could improve the overall experience.