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Data center in Space

littlegreenmenfromhome said:
No it will not.
A vacuum is a space with no air, meaning no molecules to carry heat via conduction or convection this is the primary ways heat moves on Earth without air heat escapes only through radiation (infrared light).

A vacuum is what help insulate multi layered windows.

Physics understanding is required, this is not some TV show "Sci-Fi".
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It cools in space via thermal radiation radiating out of external radiators/heatsink fins and trying to 'equalize' throughout the entirety of the vacuum/space

They use this already on the actual space station it's already known and proven physics and tech not a sci-fi tv show :whistle:

Edit: Space, itself, essentially becomes a larger attached heatsink
 
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kram182 said:
It cools in space via thermal radiation radiating out of external radiators/heatsink fins and trying to 'equalize' throughout the entirety of the vacuum/space

They use this already on the actual space station it's already known and proven physics and tech not a sci-fi tv show :whistle:

Edit: Space, itself, essentially becomes a larger attached heatsink
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And far less efficient that air or liquid cooling here on Earth and then comes the high energy particles (solar storms or interstellar radiation) that will wreck havock on small proces nodes hence why stuff like RAD750 (the latest on 150 nm process) is used for space computation
You need shielding adding weight (and launch costs) or live with that bits get flipped and transistors get fried making your computation "tainted" because eg. the GB200 is using an 5nm process and it is not radiation hardened.

If it affects airplanes, guess what space does:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20251201-how-cosmic-rays-grounded-thousands-of-aircraft

Again, this is a pipe dreams, space is a VERY hostile place even metals starts fusing via cold welding.

The business plan is non-exsistant, just like Elon Musks "Mars colony" and we havn't even touched on near earth space debris.
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
And far less efficient that air or liquid cooling here on Earth and then comes the high energy particles (solar storms or interstellar radiation) that will wreck havock on small proces nodes hence why stuff like RAD750 (the latest on 150 nm process) is used for space computation
You need shielding adding weight (and launch costs) or live with that bits get flipped and transistors get fried making your computation "tainted" because eg. the GB200 is using an 5nm process and it is not radiation hardened.

If it affects airplanes, guess what space does:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20251201-how-cosmic-rays-grounded-thousands-of-aircraft

Again, this is a pipe dreams, space is a VERY hostile place even metals starts fusing via cold welding.

The business plan is non-exsistant, just like Elon Musks "Mars colony" and we havn't even touched on near earth space debris.
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Radiation/radiating is still viable method of heat transfer, and the only choice, even if not the most efficient one known to man, even for a datacenter in space - the materials/size/color etc of radiators/heatsinks/panels required even for viable dissipation is possible to currently figure out and to build with current math/technology - even for something the size of a datacenter and putting out as much heat as a datacenter.

You can assemble parts in space as with the space station and launch pieces individually for weight limits.

We already touched upon in this thread you would need shielding/reflectors for prevention of absorbing solar/ect radiation - because you would just have to pump that radiation/energy you absorb back out too, costing more energy - and for debris and such.

Environmental hazards are environmental hazards whether a flood/typhoon in the Pacific an earthquake in California or a solar storm on the ISS/a space datacenter. We already know of and already do all the means and methods. There are no physical limits. It's not a matter of if or how, but only cost and when and who. Google isn't the only one looking into doing this as the article talked about, the European Union is as well with their ASCEND project. There will be others. One eventually will.
 
kram182 said:
Radiation is still viable method of heat transfer, and the only choice, even if not the most efficient one known to man, even for a datacenter in space - the materials/size/color etc of radiators/heatsinks/panels required even for viable dissipation is possible to currently figure out and to build with current math/technology - even for something the size of a datacenter and putting out as much heat as a datacenter.

You can assemble parts in space as with the space station and launch pieces individually for weight limits.

We already touched upon in this thread you would need shielding/reflectors for prevention of absorbing solar/ect radiation - because you would just have to pump that radiation/energy you absorb back out too, costing more energy - and for debris and such.

Environmental hazards are environmental hazards whether a flood/typhoon in the Pacific an earthquake in California or a solar storm on the ISS/a space datacenter. We already know of and already do all the means and methods. There are no physical limits. It's not a matter of if or how, but only cost and when and who. Google isn't the only one looking into doing this as the article talked about, the European Union is as well with their ASCEND project. There will be others. One eventually will.
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Let me know when a viable business plan appears.
 
This reminds me of the picture of earth from the movie Wall-E, with so many satellites.

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This is actually legit, the problems are solvable. SpaceX is planning on doing it.
 
sharknice said:
This is actually legit, the problems are solvable. SpaceX is planning on doing it.
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Just like they have talked about going to Mars since the early 2000's?
"Red Dragon" 2011-2017 didn't become reality Starship landing on Mars in 2022 also was empty talk 2024 launches always was non-event and now SpaceX says "2026".
Again, just because people SAY they wiill do something doesn't mean it will happen.

25 years of empty talk shows just how complicated space misisons are.
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
Just like they have talked about going to Mars since the early 2000's?
"Red Dragon" 2011-2017 didn't become reality Starship landing on Mars in 2022 also was empty talk 2024 launches always was non-event and now SpaceX says "2026".
Again, just because people SAY they wiill do something doesn't mean it will happen.

25 years of empty talk shows just how complicated space misisons are.
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Cloning was talked about since 1800s/twinning too, until all the milestones all the time later there of 1952 (cloned tadpoles) 1997 (cloned mammals) 2018 (cloned primates) - if anything talking about something so long continuously usually shows the direction we're headed/what we're doing 'next', once technology and capability and want/desire enables (and any 'moral dilemmas' I'm sure, lol) - cause it shows what's stuck in our heads.

Same with VR since the 1930s-1960s, AI since the 1800s/1950s, talks of the colonization of Mars since the 1800s, cyborgs/hybrids/the singularity since the first half of the 1800s now we have successful Neuralink implants in 2024 etc - datacenters in space seems kinda tame in comparison to time and scale to some of these 🤷
 
kram182 said:
Cloning was talked about since 1800s/twinning too, until all the milestones all the time later there of 1952 (cloned tadpoles) 1997 (cloned mammals) 2018 (cloned primates) - if anything talking about something so long continuously usually shows the direction we're headed/what we're doing 'next', once technology and capability and want/desire enables (and any 'moral dilemmas' I'm sure, lol) - cause it shows what's stuck in our heads.

Same with VR since the 1930s-1960s, AI since the 1800s/1950s, talks of the colonization of Mars since the 1800s, cyborgs/hybrids/the singularity since the first half of the 1800s now we have successful Neuralink implants in 2024 etc - datacenters in space seems kinda tame in comparison to time and scale to some of these 🤷
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Again, wake me up when you find a viable business plan.
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
Again, wake me up when you find a viable business plan.
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I understand not wanting to take the word of the EU of all people lol, but again regardless of 'reasons' it's apparently just a matter of when and who (and cost which is either again supposedly viable or as shown kinda secondary and replicable to time here really, and we might be at that endpoint as well we'll find out soon - starting with Google in 2027)
 
TOS would like a word sending a one (1) rack with radiation shielding, cooling hardware, solar arrays, communications equipment, orbital station‑keeping, robotic maintenance systems etc. would cost ~$10.000.000
The same prices for one (1) rack on the ground would be ~600.000.

That is more than 10X the cost and that is not how the world works.

Businesses are not made on wishful thinkings, so again wake me up when you find a viable business plan.

We "could" also make a warp drive in theory but that pesky physcis and cost keeping holding us back, right?
 
Again, Google, 2027,as the article states, keep your eyes peeled 😎👍

littlegreenmenfromhome said:
Businesses are not made on wishful thinkings, so again wake me up when you find a viable business plan.
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Have you seen the datacenter buildout/AI buildout/cost of buildout by/for businesses/the economy going on currently and what it's currently claimed for here on Earth?

littlegreenmenfromhome said:
We "could" also make a warp drive in theory but that pesky physcis and cost keeping holding us back, right?
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No because the could is not there to precede the done as previously explained. Theoretical and practical are different, we practically could here not just theoretical (theoretical is the 'could' to practical's 'done' just as practical is the 'could' to enactments 'done', theoretical and practical has already come to pass for us with the materials science/technology/fabrication/production/ect). Nothing physical/about physics is holding us back here with datacenters in space. Now it's just a time/cost factor/clock counting down to 0/enactment/eventuality. Clock is once again currently at '2027 with Google' so keep your eyes peeled 😎👍

Edit: Guess who else is at the party: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/starcloud/

These guys apparently too are working at it: https://www.axiomspace.com/

*DJ Khaled* and another one : https://www.aetherflux.com/
 
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littlegreenmenfromhome said:
Just like they have talked about going to Mars since the early 2000's?
"Red Dragon" 2011-2017 didn't become reality Starship landing on Mars in 2022 also was empty talk 2024 launches always was non-event and now SpaceX says "2026".
Again, just because people SAY they wiill do something doesn't mean it will happen.

25 years of empty talk shows just how complicated space misisons are.
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That doesn't mean shit.

Maybe you didn't see this, but they launch rockets 4 times a week and have put more than 10,000 satellites in orbit and have done all sorts of other things you would claim are never going to happen.
 
sharknice said:
That doesn't mean shit.

Maybe you didn't see this, but they launch rockets 4 times a week and have put more than 10,000 satellites in orbit and have done all sorts of other things you would claim are never going to happen.
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Okay, but how are they going to control for all of the other factors? Did they go into that at all? Because you need a very concrete plan to take care of the massive amount of heat dump in space. The technology exists, but it's absurdly inefficient as far as I know. That's why my only thought is that they have to figure out a way to maybe instead turn the heat into generating trace amounts of electricity so that it can be consumed. Maybe that's not even possible, but that's all I can think of. Trying to just radiate it outwards in any traditional sense is insanely inefficient.

Now, if they do figure out a way to actually control heat out in space more reliably, and build self sustaining stations that don't need constant maintenance because of the absolutely insane square footage of solar panel needed (that would inevitably get hit by space debris), hell, I'm all for it. It would be one of the few net positives of AI so far.

But the fact that we're even discussing putting this out into space to me tells me nothing except how stupid the AI race is getting, that's it. There is literally so much circlejerk money being thrown at this shit that it's enough to consider building space compute clusters, despite it costing an absolutely absurd amount with today's technology to do so.
 
StoleMyOwnCar said:
Okay, but how are they going to control for all of the other factors? Did they go into that at all? Because you need a very concrete plan to take care of the massive amount of heat dump in space. The technology exists, but it's absurdly inefficient as far as I know. That's why my only thought is that they have to figure out a way to maybe instead turn the heat into generating trace amounts of electricity so that it can be consumed. Maybe that's not even possible, but that's all I can think of. Trying to just radiate it outwards in any traditional sense is insanely inefficient.

Now, if they do figure out a way to actually control heat out in space more reliably, and build self sustaining stations that don't need constant maintenance because of the absolutely insane square footage of solar panel needed (that would inevitably get hit by space debris), hell, I'm all for it. It would be one of the few net positives of AI so far.

But the fact that we're even discussing putting this out into space to me tells me nothing except how stupid the AI race is getting, that's it. There is literally so much circlejerk money being thrown at this shit that it's enough to consider building space compute clusters, despite it costing an absolutely absurd amount with today's technology to do so.
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No idea, I just heard they were serious about it and probably putting together a plan now. Maybe after they plan it out it will be too hard or expensive. But the way people were talking it seemed feasible.
 
Sounds like a great idea until your $$billion array is taken out by a speck of space dust.
 
StoleMyOwnCar said:
y, but how are they going to control for all of the other factors? Did they go into that at all? Because you need a very concrete plan to take care of the massive amount of heat dump in space. The technology exists, but it's absurdly inefficient as far as I know. That's why my only thought is that they have to figure out a way to maybe instead turn the heat into generating trace amounts of electricity so that it can be consumed. Maybe that's not even possible, but that's all I can think of. Trying to just radiate it outwards in any traditional sense is insanely inefficient.
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Inefficient does not mean non-viable - it is viable even if inefficient. It's (radiation/radiating) also the ONLY way of heat transfer in space, take it or leave it. We'd love to have other methods but we can't. But it's viable and space an unlimited heatsink no matter how much heat you dump into it - why not take water from that slow inefficient well?
 
"By 2099, machines will be creating planet-sized computers, and eventually we'll make the entire universe into an enormous supercomputer."
-Ray Kurzweil

Dude hasn't been wrong about many things, but this one just seems ridiculous. I bet he's off by at least 5 years...
 
xnaughtyowlx said:
"By 2099, machines will be creating planet-sized computers, and eventually we'll make the entire universe into an enormous supercomputer."
-Ray Kurzweil

Dude hasn't been wrong about many things, but this one just seems ridiculous. I bet he's off by at least 5 years...
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The universe appears to already be a computer because it relies on and does computation as a result of being information/math/physics/compounding events/elements/algorisms/code/etc that we observe and document and express (via information/math/physics/compounding events/elements/algorisms/code/etc)👀
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
Someone did a closer look a year ago:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-YcVLq98Ew
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Looks like a bunch of made up numbers to me to reel in those VC investors

And a 4km square? That'll have an angular size larger than the Sun/Moon... now luckily they're aiming at a polar orbit that always faces the Sun, but that requires extra energy input to do, i.e. it doesn't do it naturally, wonder how much effort energy it would take to make a 16km² object do that without any torque flexing.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Looks like a bunch of made up numbers to me to reel in those VC investors

And a 4km square? That'll have an angular size larger than the Sun/Moon... now luckily they're aiming at a polar orbit that always faces the Sun, but that requires extra energy input to do, i.e. it doesn't do it naturally, wonder how much effort energy it would take to make a 16km² object do that without any torque flexing.
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I had a "flux capacitor" moment when loooking into the numbers...part science, part fiction, part mumbo jumbo.
 
sharknice said:
A bunch of good information on it in this interview


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62vJ8ABAaMY
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Wishful list:
- Railguns to launch object to moon orbit.
- 100 KW nodes that doesn't excist.
- Manufactoring facility on the moon for interference node production.
- Untested radiator technology
- Humanoid robots (just inserting this here:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgfiuRZzBwU )
- Handwaving about how their large scale stucture would handle torsion/drag...it is just "magic".

Another point they avoid 100% is hostile actor.s...very easy to "decomission" a datacenter in space compared to bombing datacenters on the ground.

Not really a "bunch of good information", more like a "flux capacitor" moment repeated.
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
Wishful list:
- Railguns to launch object to moon orbit.
- 100 KW nodes that doesn't excist.
- Manufactoring facility on the moon for interference node production.
- Untested radiator technology
- Humanoid robots (just inserting this here:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgfiuRZzBwU )
- Handwaving about how their large scale stucture would handle torsion/drag...it is just "magic".

Another point they avoid 100% is hostile actor.s...very easy to "decomission" a datacenter in space compared to bombing datacenters on the ground.

Not really a "bunch of good information", more like a "flux capacitor" moment repeated.
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People building something brand new never done before.
"it's untested technology it will never work!"

ok
 
sharknice said:
People building something brand new never done before.
"it's untested technology it will never work!"

ok
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It is handwaving and relying on technologies/capabilites that does not excist yet try adressing each point that I brought up it will be a lesson I am get "Boring" vibes from this and we all know how that turned out...
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
It is handwaving and relying on technologies/capabilites that does not excist yet try adressing each point that I brought up it will be a lesson I am get "Boring" vibes from this and we all know how that turned out...
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A bunch of that stuff was talked about in the video. You want me to just type out what they said in the video? Maybe it sounds like a "flux capacitor" moment repeated to you because you just don't understand, or don't want to understand.

There is obviously a lot they have to figure out because it's sometjhing completely new they're making, but It just sounds like you already made up your mind it doesn't matter what anyone says or who says it.
 
sharknice said:
A bunch of that stuff was talked about in the video. You want me to just type out what they said in the video? Maybe it sounds like a "flux capacitor" moment repeated to you because you just don't understand, or don't want to understand.

There is obviously a lot they have to figure out because it's sometjhing completely new they're making, but It just sounds like you already made up your mind it doesn't matter what anyone says or who says it.
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Do you deny that the "expect robots to be ready in 5 years" and talk about "Optimus robots in space suits"?
These "Optimus":

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgfiuRZzBwU

I did watch the video and it was a lot of fluff abot "flux capacitors".
 

"SpaceX seeks federal approval to launch 1 million solar-powered satellite data centers​

SpaceX has filed a request with the Federal Communications Commission to launch a constellation of up to 1 million solar-powered satellites that it said will serve as data centers for artificial intelligence.
The company’s filing lays out a grandiose vision, not just describing these planned satellites as “the most efficient way to meet the accelerating demand for AI computing power” but also framing them as “a first step towards becoming a Kardashev II-level civilization — one that can harness the Sun’s full power” while also “ensuring humanity’s multi-planetary future amongst the stars.”"

https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/31/s...million-solar-powered-satellite-data-centers/
 
erek said:

"SpaceX seeks federal approval to launch 1 million solar-powered satellite data centers​

SpaceX has filed a request with the Federal Communications Commission to launch a constellation of up to 1 million solar-powered satellites that it said will serve as data centers for artificial intelligence.
The company’s filing lays out a grandiose vision, not just describing these planned satellites as “the most efficient way to meet the accelerating demand for AI computing power” but also framing them as “a first step towards becoming a Kardashev II-level civilization — one that can harness the Sun’s full power” while also “ensuring humanity’s multi-planetary future amongst the stars.”"

https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/31/s...million-solar-powered-satellite-data-centers/
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“Amazon's AWS CEO says orbital data centers 'pretty far' from reality​


SAN FRANCISCO, Feb 3 (Reuters) - Amazon's top cloud computing executive said space-based data centers are "pretty far" from being a reality, even ‌as a number of startups and the company's own founder, Jeff ‌Bezos, have pursued the idea.
The explosive growth of artificial intelligence requires vast amounts of computing power and cooling, straining the capacity of land-based data centers. That ⁠has pushed cloud ‌computing firms to consider alternatives, such as sending the equipment to space where terrestrial concerns ‍are lessened.“

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazons-aws-ceo-says-orbital-223121562.html
 
erek said:

“Amazon's AWS CEO says orbital data centers 'pretty far' from reality​


SAN FRANCISCO, Feb 3 (Reuters) - Amazon's top cloud computing executive said space-based data centers are "pretty far" from being a reality, even ‌as a number of startups and the company's own founder, Jeff ‌Bezos, have pursued the idea.
The explosive growth of artificial intelligence requires vast amounts of computing power and cooling, straining the capacity of land-based data centers. That ⁠has pushed cloud ‌computing firms to consider alternatives, such as sending the equipment to space where terrestrial concerns ‍are lessened.“

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazons-aws-ceo-says-orbital-223121562.html
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Seems kind of crazy when all of this capital could be spent on revolutionizing the next manufacturing techniques.
 
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