DAN A4-SFX: The smallest gaming case in the world

Discussion in 'Small Form Factor Systems' started by dondan, Dec 30, 2013.

  1. broddy

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    Someone just posted a short review on Amazon (not me) saying it has lowered CPU temp by 4 degree in his Dan case. I hope it is not as loud as he stated in his review.
     
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    its a 2500 rpm fan so yeah its gonna be louder.
     
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    Dondan would you be willing to sell both the improved power button and upgraded USB 3.0 cable separately? I would love to have these in my V2!

    I would prefer not to shave off the USB 3.0 cable just to make the AIO fit. :)
     
  5. ztjio

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    It’s the same fan and same physical design as the normal C7 and, based on everything reported about that cooler, it is rather noisy at higher RPMs. I don’t see why the new cooler would be any better unless that small temp difference was enough to keep your fan speeds below the noise threshold. Which is unlikely.
     
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    Yes, this! I don't mind the price, custom stuff is never cheap.
     
  7. sldr

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    Aren't the 14 days almost over?
     
  8. richiegore

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    There been quite a bit of talk about portable displays on this thread so I thought I'd post this it looks pretty damn perfect! Only issue might be getting power over usb type c but I'm sure there are adaptors...
     
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  9. sldr

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    I’m running a USB3 Asus portable display, I don’t think it’s very usable for gaming...
     

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  10. richiegore

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    The one I posted is a proper display, it's just using usb type-c connection for regular display and power, I think anyway.
     
  11. ztjio

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    Sadly this is a DisplayLink device and will never be satisfactory for gaming. It doesn’t actually accept a direct video signal. What happens is via the displaylink protocol (and some sketchy drivers you install) the actual GPU renders a fake display into memory and it’s streamed as video over USB to the external display. It’s okay for some purposes but not gaming. At least, not the kind of gaming someone worried about the GPU size (and thus driven to choose a Dan A4 case over the many smaller/conventional SFF cases) would be presumably doing.

    USB 3.1 gen 2 doesn’t have the bandwidth needed to do true DisplayPort high bandwidth video signal, but, Thunderbolt does. So I’d say, if you’re going to watch this portable display market, watch for someone to offer something with Thunderbolt connectivity. That could carry power and displayport at high bandwidth with no need for hacks like displaylink. It’s the only current in-market connection tech that can do it.
     
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    There's no need for Thunderbolt, even. If it's a USB-C connector it could use alternate mode for a true DisplayPort link. Take advantage of USB-PD for power and you have a single-cable, native-performance display.


    EDIT: have been searching for detailed specs on the new HP display richiegore linked upthread but can't find anything. Its predecessor (the S140u) certainly is USB 3.0/DisplayLink-based, but I hope this new version does away with that.
     
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  13. sldr

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    None of those portable displays have an HDMI or DisplayPort "port" as we know it, and as we would like to have to connect to our discrete GPU in our DAN A4-SFX.

    They all use another type of connector, be it USB3.1 or Thunderbolt (with a USB-C connector).

    I have both Asus portable displays, one with USB3.1 (MB169B+) connector and one with USB Type-C connector (MB169C+), both of them are very unsuitable for gaming.
    Not only are these screens incompatible with the ports on your GPU, but they are slow and don't have the "gaming refresh rate" we'd like to have.

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  14. ztjio

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  15. pendragon1

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    yes those are more like what you need to game, 14m/s response isn't bad. they have been mentioned before, but people forget...
     
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    Have you tried this adapter with the (MB169C+) ?
    https://us-store.wacom.com/Product/wacom-link

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    China has a variety of 13", 15" and 17" portable monitors, USB 5V 2A powered, 1080p 60hz IPS HDMI input displays, you can find them on Taobao/Aliexpress. They come at 1/2 to 1/3 the price of Gechic monitors which are way overpriced. Anything with Displaylink shouldn't be considered at all.
     
  19. dondan

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    The Hall of Fame voting is done!

    At first I like to thank everyone for being part of this voting!

    In total 860 forum members were part of the survey, so the minimum score for a build could be 860 points and the maximum score 4300 points.
    Here is a small picture that shows where does the votes come from:


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    Congratulations to the winners. This is the final ranking ordered from the highest score to the lowest:


    1. 3227 points --> JtotheK
    2. 3017 points --> m0nsta
    3. 2864 points --> mbot
    4. 2737 points --> amvoit
    5. 2696 points --> dPunisher
    6. 2690 points --> Rosinbole
    7. 2676 points --> manii
    8. 2537 points --> Renovatio
    9. 2431 points --> cuppens
    10. 2157 points --> Nanook
    11. 2132 points --> CeresPK
    12. 2092 points --> Extraxyz


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    JtotheK, m0nsta and mbot will get an A4-SFXv2 + Window Kit. Amvoit and dPunisher will get an A4-SFXv1. I will contact you in the next days to get your color choices. Your pictures are now online in the HOF section on dan-cases.com.
    Thanks everyone again. Maybe I will make a second HOF round next year so everyone will get a new chance to be in the HOF section.


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    With best regards
    Daniel Hansen
     
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  20. sldr

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    Oh well... played and lost. Congrats to the winners!
     
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  22. Matias Petersen

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    Feeling you! ;)
     
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  23. Nyuha

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    Hey sldr I'm planning on doing the exact build as you, I've got everything BUT the m2 25mm standoff for the a40x10 fan above the m.2 drive. I think I found one online that is the same as yours so I'm gonna go ahead and order them. I would post the link to the website I found them on but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to.. Just gotta wait on my v3 case :0)
     
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    If I’m not mistaken, I think he did away with the standoff’s and tried a different solution. Not sure if it was due to performance or not.
     
  25. sldr

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    No no, that 40mm Noctua is still keeping my NVMe cool

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  26. thed00d

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    I think dan posted the blueprints needed to create your own Window kits on the official website
     
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  28. Nyuha

    Nyuha n00bie

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    That file is just for the window. I need the window KIT because it has a metal plate that attaches to the case.
     
  29. sldr

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    Once you have the sidepanels, feel free to use my guide to create your own plexiglass
     

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  30. dondan

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    Thank you very much for this tutorial I will link it later on the first post in this thread :)
     
  31. sldr

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    Sure, you can even link it on your website if you want - obviously in tye original form
     
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    dondan

    Maybe this is silly question but I ask it :). I found on other forum comparasion of 3Ms and Li-heats risers and I notice that 3M riser has only partial shielding. The question is are there any differences between graphics card inserted direcly into pcie slot in standard case and graphics card inserted into dan case with pcie li-heats and 3m rissrs from heath care point of view when case is used in close to user - 30cm on desk? I assume there are not big differences but still im curious if somebody look into this stuff?

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  33. jordan condi

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    Hello all, I've been reading this thread for ages and I'm building a system in this case either next month or early July (building with a friend). I was a part of the Kickstarter for v2 of the case from last year. I was wondering if this parts list would be okay, though I also have some questions.

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Amazon)
    CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - C7 Cu 40.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($50.00 @ Amazon)
    Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard ($209.99)
    Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($443.98 @ Newegg)
    Storage: HP - EX920 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($189.70 @ Newegg)
    Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC2 Video Card ($749.99 @ B&H)
    Case: DAN Cases - A4SFXV2-S Mini ITX Desktop Case (Purchased For $0.00)
    Power Supply: Corsair - SF 600W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply ($114.88 @ OutletPC)
    Case Fan: Noctua - NF-A9x14 29.7 CFM 92mm Fan ($15.89 @ OutletPC)
    Case Fan: Noctua - NF-A9 PWM 46.4 CFM 92mm Fan ($16.59 @ OutletPC)
    External Storage: Western Digital - Elements 4TB External Hard Drive ($95.00 @ Amazon)
    Total: $2206.01
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-20 06:44 EDT-0400


    Questions

    The Dan Case has 48mm of clearance for CPU coolers, and the Cryorig C7 Cu is 47mm in height. This would result in annoying air turbulence right?

    I was thinking of buying the Noctua NF-A9x14 slim 92mm fan to remedy this. The Cryorig C7 Cu cooler is rated to dissipate up to 115W of heat, and the Ryzen 7 2700X is rated at 105W Thermal Design Power (TDP). The Noctua slim fan, however, isn't as powerful. It should still be okay?

    The VRMs on the motherboard would be best suited by using an air cooler for the CPU, instead of the Asetek 545LC right? Or should I be okay if I choose the Asetek AIO?

    If I eventually get custom cables from CableMod for the system, what would be the perfect length for the cables? I read 150mm for the 24 pin motherboard power, 240mm for the 8 pin EPS cable and 300mm for the PCIe cables. Would this be best?
     
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    dondan There isn't enough voltage at play to provide enough electromagnetism to penetrate human skin past the shielding that's available and through the metal of the case. The only real concern is that other electrical signals could interfere with it's operation, or vice versa, but even still from what I'm seeing it would take a lot of interference before a human would notice.
     
  35. Alaberti

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    I have the AIO with an 1800X and it keeps the CPU around 43 C idle and any 75-80 C under load. Note, you can't use g.skill tridents with the AIO if you want to close the side panel.

    The Asus strix 350-i (b and x are exactly the same, construction and everything unless you plan to use bifurcation, be sure to save a couple bucks on the b) and it doesn't report vrm temps but they get hot. Motherboard temps have exceeded 73 C for me, even with a fan under board. So I would recommend air cooling. Someone a page or two back already passed benchmarks for the cu c7, head back and take a look.

    I simply grabbed the Corsair custom sleeved cables amd routing then was very straightforward, see my post on my build by checking my post hosting if you like.
     
  36. Nanook

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    I find that setting a fan to blowing cold air towards the motherboard is helpful to cool the motherboard. My slim 120mm fan just get wedged between the AIO block and the case flanges and held securely by the side cover.
     
  37. Alaberti

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    As mentioned, there is a fan under the board. Helps, but this AM4 board still runs toasty. Having an 8 core processor in such a small space gives few favors here.
     
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    I have recently got a 17" 4K portable display from Taobao. It's got mini-HDMI and mini-DP ports, and even does FreeSync. That's probably the top of the line one they do for about 400USD; There's smaller and/or lower-resolution ones that are significantly cheaper. I can post a few lines about my experience with the display if there's interest.
     
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    I just checked and there's a 17" HDR 120hz 1080p monitor on Taobao now.
     
  40. jordan condi

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    Ah okay so maybe the new Cryorig cooler would be suited better for the Dan Case