CRT vs LCD

[GJohn]

whats the point in having perfect geometry and sharpness when the moment you actually move the mouse everything ghosts and blurs? Like I said LCD's are better for viewing anything static, put motion into the equation and all you get is ghosting and blur.

Have you ever used LCD?

I have 20/20 vision, and i watch a lot of movies, and i play a lots of games, and i never noticed any ghosting, you crt fan boys need to stop dissing, and accept the fact, flat is future, i paid $1000 for my dell2405 and now i want a 30" because its too small, literally.

I WILL NEVER GO BACK TO CRT!!! Never.

 

[synergyo1]

Have you ever used LCD?

I have 20/20 vision, and i watch a lot of movies, and i play a lots of games, and i never noticed any ghosting, you crt fan boys need to stop dissing, and accept the fact, flat is future, i paid $1000 for my dell2405 and now i want a 30" because its too small, literally.

I WILL NEVER GO BACK TO CRT!!! Never.

Flat is the future indeed... SED future >.>

 

[kleox64]

used the 2405 and sold it a month later.

why?

1) ghosting/streaking/motion blur especially in HL2.
2) adequate black level allthough still poor when compared to my 6 year old DELL 19" trinitron.
3) lag
4) poor viewing angle, the sides even when viewed head on were basicaly a different shade.

Flat is the future but LCD's are not, it still has the original problems since day one even after all these years.

 

[kleox64]

I should add I now have a 21" FD Trinitorn CRT for £50 versus the £600 I paid for the 2405.

FW900 is still on the order...

 

[mathesar]

4 year old 24" Sony FW900 CRT which still has a beautiful picture, I had a brand new Dell 2001FP LCD for a few weeks but my 21" Sony G520P and FW900 put it to shame for the many reasons listed in this thread already.

It's funny seeing people say "My 2405FPW doesn't lag or ghost you CRT !!!!!!s need to stop dissing" ..Honestly who's the one in denial here?

Even tho I prefer a good quality CRT over any LCD i've seen you're pretty much forced to buy LCD these days. All of the good CRTs are no longer being made (new).

Of course theres refurbished & used CRTs still around if you dont mind taking the risk . Lots of FW900's on Ebay to (Which is where I got mine).

 

[boredguyatcomp]

It's funny seeing people say "My 2405FPW doesn't lag or ghost you CRT !!!!!!s need to stop dissing" ..Honestly who's the one in denial here?

maybe its because they dont??? ever thought of that? my LCD doesnt.

 

[XamediX]

used the 2405 and sold it a month later.

Flat is the future but LCD's are not, it still has the original problems since day one even after all these years.

Nothing better than like basing every lcd monitor made off the 25ms Dell 2405fpw that only you owned. /sarcasm

 

[Rash]

hmm i had a 20" crt back in 2000, jesus that thing took up half my room and was ugly as fuck, fucking thing bust on me at 13 months old, just out of warranty, all that clicking resolutions did my tits in. got a 23" ACD now, its beautiful, true it doesnt have a higher refresh rate as my old crt did, but i cant find anything wrong with the acds picture output, the acd is perfect in my eyes. fuck the crts off please, they are old hat and holding up technology. High wattage and all that stuff....

 

[boredguyatcomp]

I just was useing a crt about 10 minutes ago and was reintroduced to that really annoying high pitched humming noise that crts make...thats something else that really sucks about crt.

 

[Riptide_NVN]

whats the point in having perfect geometry and sharpness when the moment you actually move the mouse everything ghosts and blurs? Like I said LCD's are better for viewing anything static, put motion into the equation and all you get is ghosting and blur.

And like I said this motion blur effect does not bother everyone as much as it apparently bothers you. It's pretty minimal anyway with sub 16ms displays.

High-end CRT's dont suffer from motion blur, response time is measured in micro seconds for CRT's so you wont actually see ghosting/streaking etc... even though it does actually happen. .

I've had high end CRTs. No thanks. You can keep them.

 

[CrazyMrB]

I just was useing a crt about 10 minutes ago and was reintroduced to that really annoying high pitched humming noise that crts make...thats something else that really sucks about crt.

Your monitor had a bad capacitor, that's where the whistling comes from. I've been running a 19" sceptre lcd (8ms) on dvi for years now and just purchased a 22" NEC crt. In fact, I'm typing this message on the crt. I'll be selling my lcd in a few weeks and using the money to buy another 22" NEC (big desk). I mostly do audio and photo work and, quite frankly, it's much easier to work with huge files at higher resolutions. Pictures of the sky on my crt actually look like the sky outside whereas the lcd appears too white and a gradient is formed toward the edges of the screen. Colors are more vibrant on the crt, meaning things look like things I find in the real world. However, whenever I type up long text documents (reports for school) I always use my lcd. There is wide variation on the fleshtones on my por...movies, and the jury is out on which I prefer.

I loved my lcd for many years, but I've come full circle in wanting crt technology due to the far better contrast and higher (and often nonstandard) resolutions supported by the crt.

As for the guy talking about ghz refresh rates (he said "1000mhz"), I don't really feel like doing the math, but I'm pretty certain that that would break the laws of physics.

B

 

[|CR|Constantine]

I have recently picked up my new 2405 and have been gaming with it for a couple of weeks now. Being an avid FPS/Sim gamer I was convinced that my trusty Sony 21" G520 would murder the 2405 in color reproduction and just about everything else. I bought the 2405 simply for another monitor to give me more space while working in Photoshop, Premier and Flash which it does relatively well.

This is my conclusion...even though I am a stuckup graphics whore the 2405 isnt that bad. It's no Sony G520 when it comes to color range or speed ...but it isnt terrible either. In fact games seem brighter and more sharp outwieghs just a tad the washed out colors and extremely rare ghosting.

I thought for sure they was going to be all this "ghosting" and to be honest I really do not see it. Well maybe a little in DOD S but nothing that has hurt my mad killing skills.

I got the 2405 for 400 bucs and it has so far been totally worth it. Having both a 21" Sony G520 and a Dell 2405 24" LCD connected to one bad ass X1900XTX is really having your cake and eating it too. Why argue when you can buy both and still be in a realistic price range.

 

[krameriffic]

Have you ever used LCD?

I have 20/20 vision, and i watch a lot of movies, and i play a lots of games, and i never noticed any ghosting, you crt fan boys need to stop dissing, and accept the fact, flat is future, i paid $1000 for my dell2405 and now i want a 30" because its too small, literally.

I WILL NEVER GO BACK TO CRT!!! Never.

I paid $1250 for my entire system not including my monitor. I would not pay $1000 dollars for a monitor ever. That is just outrageously expensive when you can get a high-quality refurbished 22" CRT for like $200. Yeah so they weigh a little bit more and are big. What, did everybody on this planet just buy tiny computer desks? Do you spend a thousand dollars on a LCD just because it looks better than a CRT?

 

[boredguyatcomp]

Do you spend a thousand dollars on a LCD just because it looks better than a CRT?

yes, takes up les space, less heat, less power... and apparently thats all the crt guys argument...

 

[Power and Glory]

I paid $1250 for my entire system not including my monitor. I would not pay $1000 dollars for a monitor ever. That is just outrageously expensive when you can get a high-quality refurbished 22" CRT for like $200. Yeah so they weigh a little bit more and are big. What, did everybody on this planet just buy tiny computer desks? Do you spend a thousand dollars on a LCD just because it looks better than a CRT?

Speaking strictly for myself, but my current 22" CRT has killed my eyes the past 3 years. Thought it was nice and cool at first at how big it was but I noticed my vision getting worse the last year and a half.

You are making it sound like everyone who has or is buying a LCD is spending thousands of dollars.

People have their reasons for either CRT or LCD. I don't quite understand people like you who think in black and white. Sounds like you are so offended that some people like LCD's more. Does it really matter that much to you what other people like?

 

[boredguyatcomp]

Your monitor had a bad capacitor, that's where the whistling comes from.
B

any easy way to get rid of this?

 

[LawGiver]

i have a nice 21" sony built IBM trinitron flat screen that I realy like, but i have been passively looking at large LCD's lately. The ghosting issue I think is not a problem with most modern decent LCD's that i have seen in stores. I like the fact LCD's use less power, less space and for vanities sake, looks better.

 

[texuspete00]

maybe its because they dont??? ever thought of that? my LCD doesnt.

Sure it does. Guys the BEST LCD's should be accurately labeled 12~15ms. Type please? Alot of "CRT guys" will ditch them for SEDs like a bad habit. You might hate the two lines on my monitor. Smearing is the thorn on my side.

yes, takes up les space, less heat, less power... and apparently thats all the crt guys argument...

Seems more like the lcd arguments like those have absolutely nothing to do with the image. Which is the logical way to go when lcd's can't win the real fight. Geometry and those two damn lines, some sharpness with text... then everything else is a CRT win as FACT. With that, it's damn near fact an FW900 is a bettter gaming monitor (all 3 of it's downfall are hard to notice gaming), same way it's practically fact that an LCD is better for work.

 

[CrazyMrB]

any easy way to get rid of this?

I have far too much concern for my life to go messing around inside a higher voltage machine such as a crt. Basically I've heard that even unplugged a shock from the innards of such a device can mess you up pretty bad. Theoretically, someone trained in such arts (tv repair guy) could replace the broken parts, but I'm not quite sure that it'd be worth the money since you can get a brand new to you (ie refurbished) crt for very little.

B

Edit: It could also be the matter that you are running at an unsupported (forced) refresh. Try playing with that (advanced, in display, under monitor) and see if the whining stops.

 

[boredguyatcomp]

Sure it does. Guys the BEST LCD's should be accurately labeled 12~15ms. Type please? Alot of "CRT guys" will ditch them for SEDs like a bad habit. You might hate the two lines on my monitor. Smearing is the thorn on my side.
Seems more like the lcd arguments like those have absolutely nothing to do with the image. Which is the logical way to go when lcd's can't win the real fight. Geometry and those two damn lines, some sharpness with text... then everything else is a CRT win as FACT. With that, it's damn near fact an FW900 is a bettter gaming monitor (all 3 of it's downfall are hard to notice gaming), same way it's practically fact that an LCD is better for work.

i was refering to the picture, sorry my thoughts and what comes out is often very scrambled.
he was talking about buying a lcd because it looks better then a crt(i personally think they do). if youve seen a good lcd i think they look alot better then a good crt...but as this thread is showing it is alot of preference.