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CrossfireX to require VISTA?

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Blind Man

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Just read this on Tom's.. :eek:

It only works with the broken OS, Vista. Due to the Malware and DRM infestation in that OS, they changed how video works on a fundamental level.

This means that the CrossfireX architecture will have to be completely redone if they want an XP version, something they deemed not worth doing at this point, and I hate to say that I agree with the decision, but I do. That said, because of this, you are never going to see more than 2 GPUs working on XP making CrossfireX pointless to anyone not liking the malware that comes with Vista. That would be me.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/13/amd_s_crossfirex_details_leak_out/
 
yeah wish they listed a source :(
even so I usually find them more reliable then fud or the inq.
 
Lol Charlie!!!
I dont listen to a word that idiot says and neither should any of you. Countless times has he proven his ignorance and bias when writing about computer hardware.
 
omfg i've been running vista for a year now and i didn't realize there was malware infestation! i'm gonna go back to ms dos right now to prevent threat of identity theft and system malufnction! thanks for this link! you probably saved my life!
 
Actually, I'm not surprised by this.

Apparently, the new video driver model (or whatever) in Vista is much more effecient when using more than two video cards. That's one of the reasons Quad SLI never really worked very well in XP.

You'll also notice there are no TRI-SLI drivers for XP.
 
Found a source:
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/in...ask=view&id=69&Itemid=29&limit=1&limitstart=4
Another part of the WDDM driver model which should improve things on the performance front is the introduction of what has been dubbed 'Parallel Engine Support' - This part of the driver model has actually been developed by ATI themselves, so needless to say they are more than happy to tout its benefits. The basic concept of Parallel Engine Support is to allow for more than one graphics 'engine' to be utilised by the driver and application at one time - This should come into play most obviously when using multi-GPU graphics solutions such as SLI and CrossFire, but will also be useful when it comes to the hardware acceleration of video playback. In this particularl scenario, Parallel Engine support will allow for frames to be rendered and 'stacked up' ready for playback by the GPU, rather than dealing with each frame on an individual basis, making for a far more efficient use of GPU time. Returning to talk of SLI and CrossFire, Windows Vista includes native support for what it dubs 'Linked Adapters', allowing graphics boards to be treated as a single resource with shared GPUs and memory by the system.
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tbh it's not worth it for xp, most demanding games are dx10, same with future games, why bother?(from a business pov)
 
Vista is actually a big improvement over XP. I have only had it a few days and can't say that I have had any more problems with it then Windows XP when I first started using that. I thought it was a big pile of #$#% from what people have said but it really isn't. I guess maybe I am lucky, but I haven't had an issue that I can't google for and find an answer for the most part.

The stuttering / pausing I was getting at first with BF2 was fixed by a Vista Hotfix that ATI tech support sent to me after I put in a ticket. Actually there were five small updates. They aren't listed on Window's update and need to be manually installed from the Microsoft KB article links. That issue took me a whole whopping day to fix.

After seeing how easy the issues were to fix, I don't see why people like to complain about it so much.:p
 
All the complaints about Vista are virtually identical to the complaints about XP just before SP1.

"Too much memory usage!"
"Oh my god its gonna block all my shiz with DRMz!"
"Spywares! Malwares!"


None of which were true.
 
Too much memory usage on Vista is completely true. On Ultimate, with aero enabled, doing relatively nothing.. Vista is eating about 800mbs of ram.
 
Oh4Sh0 said:
Too much memory usage on Vista is completely true. On Ultimate, with aero enabled, doing relatively nothing.. Vista is eating about 800mbs of ram.
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Disable Aero or buy more memory, problem solved. I mean it's so cheap now it doesn't make sense to not have atleast 2gb in your system
 
Lol like i have enough money for that many graphics cards.
And even if i did, i wouldn't get it anyways due to vista requiring a massive amount of memory/ram.
 
Considering the official support for xp ends this summer it makes sense for them to spend resources on perfecting the Vista driver.
 
Oh4Sh0 said:
Too much memory usage on Vista is completely true. On Ultimate, with aero enabled, doing relatively nothing.. Vista is eating about 800mbs of ram.
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There's so much uneducated FUD being spread about Vista it's frustrating.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/details/superfetch.mspx

SuperFetch monitors which applications you use the most and preloads these into your system memory so they'll be ready when you need them.
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It's basically a software-driven RAMdisk. It's a good thing, I promise.
 
Dunan said:
i wouldnt want any memory hogging programs eating up RAM until i wanted them to. thats just stupid. an OS doesnt need to be monitoring what i use anyway and reporting it for personality profile purposes.
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"eating up RAM".....
I started to respond to this post. But I will refrain.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
tbh it's not worth it for xp, most demanding games are dx10, same with future games, why bother?(from a business pov)
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From a business point of view its worth having the widest user base. Vista is not even close to XP as far as user base is concerned. They would be shooting themselves in the foot if it was Vista only. Unless MS is throwing a bit their way if people upgrade to Vista because of this.


I dont see this coming true.
 
jebo_4jc said:
There's so much uneducated FUD being spread about Vista it's frustrating.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/details/superfetch.mspx


It's basically a software-driven RAMdisk. It's a good thing, I promise.
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Although, I agree, and like Vista, switched to it primarily after <wk of using it - there are plenty of systems out there with 512mb-1gb of ram. And you can spew it however you want to, for a decent vista system anything less than 1gb of ram will be a pile of poop... which is the problem. But with ram prices, it really shouldn't be.
 
D4hPr0 said:
From a business point of view its worth having the widest user base. Vista is not even close to XP as far as user base is concerned. They would be shooting themselves in the foot if it was Vista only. Unless MS is throwing a bit their way if people upgrade to Vista because of this.


I dont see this coming true.
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...How can you not see this coming true?

As mentioned, support for XP will be gone soon. Once more fixes go into Vista, it WILL take over. It's the future.

Why is everyone so defensive when it comes to change? I've used Vista and don't have the problems that are spoken of. I'm not saying they don't exist, but I'm sure they will be fixed soon.
 
I didnt say I mind Vista. I just said that Vista does not have a big enough user base right now. It would be a bad decision on ATI's part to just release this for Vista at this time.
 
Vista concerning memory...

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/details/superfetch.mspx

"SuperFetch monitors which applications you use the most and preloads these into your system memory so they'll be ready when you need them. Windows Vista also runs background programs, like disk defragmenting and Windows Defender, at low priority so that they can do their job but your work always comes first."

If Vista sees 4 Gb of memory, why not use it. Isn't that why we have it. It's not to see how much we can have that Windows DOESN'T use. Vista will give up memory to programs since they have priority. But turning Aero off will free up some I suppose.
 
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