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Hasn't seen it but still calls it awful. Riiiiiiight....I was willing to hate watch the non-He-Man show just to see how badly it would end. Not even going to hate watch this awful mess.
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Hasn't seen it but still calls it awful. Riiiiiiight....I was willing to hate watch the non-He-Man show just to see how badly it would end. Not even going to hate watch this awful mess.
I saw the casting, I saw the trailers, and I read reviews... some of which are apparently now arguing that the live action was supposed to be schlocky in the first place rather than actually good.Hasn't seen it but still calls it awful. Riiiiiiight....
Well you're not wrong. It is pretty bad, but you should at least watch the first episode before calling it "awful".I saw the casting, I saw the trailers, and I read reviews...
I saw the casting, I saw the trailers, and I read reviews... some of which are apparently now arguing that the live action was supposed to be schlocky in the first place rather than actually good.
For groups that shriek about wanting strong women represented, when given the chance they seem to go out of their way to do the exact opposite.Things like making Faye a lesbian are to score diversity points without thoughts of what the impact such a change has on the character's overall story or how that could impact her relationships with other characters. However, what's worse is that they cut out her back story of being a con artist, which basically negates her very complex story arc and growth as a character. When you do that, you do a disservice to the source material.
Here we go again. Some people just don't like adaptations.Not gonna lie, seeing people post in this thread is the #1 reason why I'm not ever gonna go into GenMay.
Reading the absolutely pathetic responses in this thread makes me embarrassed to even be here.
Not everyone is Cis, get out of your own tiny little bubble and realize the world is a bit bigger and more varied than your rose tinted memories of a 20 year old anime. One that most people here seem to have completely missed the damn point of it's original airing anyway.
Not gonna lie, seeing people post in this thread is the #1 reason why I'm not ever gonna go into GenMay.
Reading the absolutely pathetic responses in this thread makes me embarrassed to even be here.
Not everyone is Cis, get out of your own tiny little bubble and realize the world is a bit bigger and more varied than your rose tinted memories of a 20 year old anime. One that most people here seem to have completely missed the damn point of it's original airing anyway.
Faye's story arc and back story are basically gutted and greatly simplified. I'm at Episode 7 or something like that and Ed hasn't appeared yet, only referenced in dialog.
I would be very surprised if this got additional seasons. The problem is that the live action show omits things and it changes certain things for worse. Largely due to budgetary and run time reasons I suspect. Things like making Faye a lesbian are to score diversity points without thoughts of what the impact such a change has on the character's overall story or how that could impact her relationships with other characters. However, what's worse is that they cut out her back story of being a con artist, which basically negates her very complex story arc and growth as a character. When you do that, you do a disservice to the source material.
Some changes for the live action format are expected and even necessary. However, gutting your characters histories and story arcs aren't changes that are typically well received. The campy nature of this version of it is pure cringe. I'm physically uncomfortable watching the cheesier dialog and scenes in the show.
Faye's backstory being "good?" The "Mistaken Identity revival - but you still pay the bills " was already an old -and-busted lazy trope by the time Bebop decided to phone it in.
Really, Faye was made incredibly vulnerable through this simple backstory, so she could be broken down quite quickly into Spike's Involuntary Harem member #308... I think if you want to make it a more balanced crew that doesn't get old quick, you need to take the Unrequited Love out of the picture.
I think that was where they were aiming for with the Faye shakeup - she's the missing piece to making later seasons of Bebob more palatable!
Not gonna lie, seeing people post in this thread is the #1 reason why I'm not ever gonna go into GenMay.
Reading the absolutely pathetic responses in this thread makes me embarrassed to even be here.
Not everyone is Cis, get out of your own tiny little bubble and realize the world is a bit bigger and more varied than your rose tinted memories of a 20 year old anime. One that most people here seem to have completely missed the damn point of it's original airing anyway.
I see it very differently. That being said, the whole "unrequited love bit" is debatable at best. That could certainly be taken out as its arguable that it was ever there to begin with. Her back story is as a con artist, which isn't evident at all until episode 7. The character is rather different and I don't think she works at all in this show due to those differences. Mainly, her dynamic with Spike is too friendly and familiar too quickly. It isn't earned.Faye's backstory being "good?" The "Mistaken Identity revival - but you still pay the bills " was already an old -and-busted lazy trope by the time Bebop decided to phone it in.
Really, Faye was made incredibly vulnerable through this simple backstory, so she could be broken down quite quickly into Spike's Involuntary Harem member #308... I think if you want to make it a more balanced crew that doesn't get old quick, you need to take the Unrequited Love out of the picture.
There aren't going to be later seasons. This show won't make it past season 2 if it even gets that far.I think that was where they were aiming for with the Faye shakeup - she's the missing piece to making later seasons of Bebob more palatable!
Show me a single anime that doesn't rely on tropes. It's one of the reasons why I hate anime in general. They all do the same things over and over again. Rarely do they do anything interesting with any of it. Cowboy Bebop definitely relies on many of those same tropes but it's the characters, writing, and style that take it a notch above garden variety anime. You can even see it in a few moments between Spike and Jet here and there in this show. There are some light hearted moments and comedic elements that do work in the show for a few scenes. I just don't think the show works overall.Everyone in the anime was made up of well worn tropes, but they were tropes that were well written and well voice acted. It also helps that Bebop was designed as a short series. Get in, tell the stories that need to be told, end and move on. Netflix wanting this to be a big, multi-season, affair means they have to make major changes in an attempt to flesh out the characters. However, doing that also risks making the characters not feel like they should. Even from the first episode, Faye just doesn’t seem to work.
exactly. i saw a comment somewhere along the lines of "they take a ip, gut it, destroy it and wear it like a skinsuit and then scream -ist/phobe when questioned/criticized"Then make their own stories instead of stealing old ones, re-writing them to suit their needs and complaining when people don't like their re-imagining.
It's a terrible argument. They can't acknowledge the fact that there are other reasons to hate changes to a beloved IP or franchise other than you are an incel/ist/phobe or whatever. They can't accept that people hate these changes and the fact that a lot of this stuff is horribly written, badly acted, incompetently shot or that there can be legitimate reasons to criticize the remakes or sequels compared to the original works. Something people used to do for every song cover, film sequel and reboot for the last 100+ years without ever needing the crutch of ist/phobe/whatever.exactly. i saw a comment somewhere along the lines of "they take a ip, gut it, destroy it and wear it like a skinsuit and then scream -ist/phobe when questioned/criticized"
Faye being a lesbian in the show is the least of its problems. I can only assume this is what you are referring to as that's the only reason you could even bring up not being "Cis". Being "Cis" as you put it isn't the reason why people don't like this adaptation of the IP. This type of statement is the internet equivalent of plugging your ears and saying: "la la la I can't hear you" rather than listening to what's being said. That's not a rebuttal, argument, debate or articulating a point of view. It's playing the victim card without there being one. The show is bad. It's pure cringe almost all the time. It's cheaply made, poorly acted, badly written, and lacks the charm of the original show. It skips over character development, greatly simplifies or eliminates story lines and takes liberties with the source material that did not pay off or work well.Not everyone is Cis, get out of your own tiny little bubble and realize the world is a bit bigger and more varied than your rose tinted memories of a 20 year old anime.
In any case, I had fun with it. But I like cheezy/campy movies, so I'm okay with that.
I don't think it's entirely the actor's fault. For one thing, I'm not a casting director so I couldn't tell you. However, the line delivery, the dialog itself, and almost everything about his scenes are awful. It's the same with Julia.What actors do you think would have been a better fit for vicious?
Honestly I feel that way about most of the cast, its just Julia and Vicious that are the worst. I don't think the cast is bad, but the writing is.I don't think it's entirely the actor's fault. For one thing, I'm not a casting director so I couldn't tell you. However, the line delivery, the dialog itself, and almost everything about his scenes are awful. It's the same with Julia.
I don't think it's entirely the actor's fault. For one thing, I'm not a casting director so I couldn't tell you. However, the line delivery, the dialog itself, and almost everything about his scenes are awful. It's the same with Julia.
It's almost as if the director tells the actor to ham it up with his best stereotypical 1990's bad guy impression. He sounds like he's trying to copy Eric Roberts as the Master in the 1990's Doctor Who movie or Terry Silver in Karate Kid III.I agree, I think if he just spoke more naturally with better dialogue it'd be better. It almost reminds me of when you were a little kid playing with friends and one of you was trying to be the bad guy/villain.
Start with someone in their 20s, not some middle aged dude. Timothée Chalamet, Tom Holland, Lucas Hedges, etc... those are just some very top actors I've seen, but there are probably tons of lesser-known onesWhat actors do you think would have been a better fit for vicious?
Well, casting an older actor to play Vicious makes sense in light of the fact that Spike is being played by an older actor. Now, I would argue that they should have cast someone in their early 30's at the oldest. In that regard, it's a fair criticism.Start with someone in their 20s, not some middle aged dude. Timothée Chalamet, Tom Holland, Lucas Hedges, etc... those are just some very top actors I've seen, but there are probably tons of lesser-known ones
LOL at the people complaining that the Netflix version is "woke." The 90's version was more "woke" then this one. Here is a good honest review and I mostly agree with it.
LOL at the people complaining that the Netflix version is "woke." The 90's version was more "woke" then this one. Here is a good honest review and I mostly agree with it.
This is a necessary distinction. When it is natural to the story, you can be as inclusive as you want and most people won't care. When you start changing characters that are well established or forcing them into the story for the sake of checking boxes, that's when it goes off the rails.disagree. Woke is adding it in to just add it in. 90's version was all part of the story. People don't get the majority of us dont give a crap about the content as long as it makes sense in the story. Not just tossed in for a checkbox as much crap is these days. I am a massive Star Trek fan, but i think discovery is woke trash as well. So much unnecessary woke crap thrown in, whereas if it was just part of the story, as every ST b4 them, it would have been just fine.
What? There was a 90's Dr. Who movie with Eric Roberts. OMG!It's almost as if the director tells the actor to ham it up with his best stereotypical 1990's bad guy impression. He sounds like he's trying to copy Eric Roberts as the Master in the 1990's Doctor Who movie or Terry Silver in Karate Kid III.
Yes there is. It's been sort of canonized just prior to the 50th anniversary episode of Doctor Who. The 8th Doctor reappears in the "Night of the Doctor". To be fair, Paul McGann was fantastic in the role. Unfortunately, the cheesy budget and some things they did really didn't go over well with either British or American audiences. Some elements of the film such as the Doctor being half human have largely been ignored. However, you do see the 7th Doctor die in the movie and his regeneration into the 8th. In the web episode: "Night of the Doctor", you see the 8th regenerate into the War Doctor for the 50th anniversary special.What? There was a 90's Dr. Who movie with Eric Roberts. OMG!
For example--or so I've heard--the new Netflix [Edit: no, it's Amazon. Thanks, Derangel] adaptation of Wheel of Time has Moiraine telling all the characters from Two Rivers that she's taking them because any one of them could be the Dragon Reborn. The problem is, that can't actually be true. A key point in that series is that magic is split up into two sides: one male, one female, and they are different. The male side was tainted by actions taken by said Dragon (who was actually a person), such that any man using it will eventually be driven insane, so for thousands of years, any male displaying a hint of the ability to use magic is killed. Women can't access the male side of magic in the books. (IIRC in the book, the two women were brought along for the ride because they did have access to women's magic, and Moiraine wanted to take them to the White Tower, where women are trained in the use of said magic.)This is a necessary distinction. When it is natural to the story, you can be as inclusive as you want and most people won't care. When you start changing characters that are well established or forcing them into the story for the sake of checking boxes, that's when it goes off the rails.
One assumes scenery chewing almost has to be fun for the person doing it.there is a certain charm to his version of the Master as you get the impression that the actor is really enjoying the part.
For example--or so I've heard--the new Netflix adaptation of Wheel of Time has Moiraine telling all the characters from Two Rivers that she's taking them because any one of them could be the Dragon Reborn. The problem is, that can't actually be true. A key point in that series is that magic is split up into two sides: one male, one female, and they are different. The male side was tainted by actions taken by said Dragon (who was actually a person), such that any man using it will eventually be driven insane, so for thousands of years, any male displaying a hint of the ability to use magic is killed. Women can't access the male side of magic in the books. (IIRC in the book, the two women were brought along for the ride because they did have access to women's magic, and Moiraine wanted to take them to the White Tower, where women are trained in the use of said magic.)
Another turn of the wheel wouldn’t have the same characters. If they would have went with new characters and plot I would have been on board!!! As it is it is someone that thinks they can tell a story better than the author….The wheel of time also has a way to be different from the source material built into the source material. The Amazon show is a different turn of the wheel, any and all changes are canonically possible. That's literally one of the largest plot points of the entire mythos.
Adaptations don't destroy the original, if you like the original better, fine, go watch/read that. But complaining that an adaptation isn't close enough to the original is asinine.
Another turn of the wheel wouldn’t have the same characters. If they would have went with new characters and plot I would have been on board!!! As it is it is someone that thinks they can tell a story better than the author….
INTERVIEW: Oct 5th, 2005
Robert Jordan's Blog: YET ANOTHER, IT SEEMS
ROBERT JORDAN
For ricktheinevitable, I have no plans to send Rand to Shara at present.
Oh, yes. I think of time in this world as fixed circular, but with a drifting variation. There are slight differences in the Pattern each time through so that if you thought of the Pattern as a tapestry and held up two successive weaves, you couldn't see any differences from a distance, only close up, but the more time turnings between tapestries, the more changes are apparent. But the basic Pattern always remains the same.
INTERVIEW: Nov 30th, 2000
WH Signing Report - Matt Peck (Paraphrased)
MATT PECK
I asked that as the Wheel turned, each time an Age rolls around, is the Pattern exactly the same each time, or does it change?
ROBERT JORDAN
He seemed to like this question. He likened it to a tapestry. When seen from a distance, each Third Age (to make it easy to track) has exactly the same pattern as the previous Third Age. However, when seen up close, there are differences. Threads are different, different nations exist, geography is different, different personalities rise to prominence. These changes, while minute in the grand scale of the Pattern, affect the Pattern enough so that while two iterations of an Age are almost the same, the first "Third Age" may be wildy different from the hundredth "Third Age".
Doesn't matter what their excuse is, it doesn't make any sense. The female side of magic isn't dangerous. The Dragon Reborn as a woman is just another woman with magic. The whole threat of the Dragon Reborn is that he'd inevitably be driven insane by the taint on the male side of magic and destroy the world. As I said, the books already provided sufficient reasons to take the female characters: women with the power to channel magic aren't allowed to be left untrained.Amazon is to blame for Wheel of Time. I will say, I don’t mind them changing things a bit to keep the mystery of the Dragon a bit longer. Basically, the change is simply that people can be reborn as either men or women, so if the Dragon had been Reborn as a woman she’d use the female side of the power.