Court Overturns Father's Grounding of 12yr Old

Justice Suzanne Tessier....hey thats my last name....I have a lot of family in Canada to...
 
well it is canada..

but this is a prime example of

What a Government Shouldn't Be Able To Do...
 
Exavior said:
What does the court think would be the proper punishment for a 12 year old posting nude (i'm assuming that want they were) pics of herself online?
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I'm sure the court's (and most of society's) stance is that it's everybody's fault but her own.
 
Think you could posibly sensationalize a non-story any more?

Essentially the father told her she couldn't go on the trip, the mother said she could. The girl was in the mother's custody at the time of the trip and therefor the father couldn't prevent her. That's all this story is. It has nothing to do with wether or not a parent can ground a child, it's simply an custody argument.
 
GQCarrick said:
Unbelievable, Kids think they are entitled to everything nowadays. If I pulled a stunt like that when I was a kid my dad would have kicked my ass THEN taken away the internet. Absolutely unreal. I am 28 and I am scared to death on what kids will get away with when I have kids, I hope I can raise them the way I was raise but that will probably be against the law by then.
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I am much younger than you and I think the same. Heck, my dad wouldn't of had to block any websites. Would have been the same, my dad would have kicked my ass and then 'taken' away the internet (i.e. Would not have touched the computer but knows I wouldn't dare touch it)
 
Welcome to the age of the "nanny state". Give government total control of everything and this is the result.
 
Hah, I love the title of the picture on that AFP page:

A computer at an Internet cafe

Did we really need to know that...
 
Nemesis999 said:
Think you could posibly sensationalize a non-story any more?

Essentially the father told her she couldn't go on the trip, the mother said she could. The girl was in the mother's custody at the time of the trip and therefor the father couldn't prevent her. That's all this story is. It has nothing to do with wether or not a parent can ground a child, it's simply an custody argument.
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Exactly. The initial news story is very misleading. Also in Canada, even if divorced both parents must agree.

"In Quebec, even if a parent has legal custody, both parents retain parental authority," she said. "If one parent has custody, the parents still have to make the decisions jointly."
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So this has nothing to do with the child, its a control / custody issue between the parents. The mother is just using the child as a tool.
 
Steve said:
You have got to be kidding me! A father grounds his 12 year old daughter off the internet because she posted inappropriate pictures of herself. The daughter SUES the father. Court sides with the kid. I don’t know much about the legal system up there but this is just crazy. All I can say to that little girl is that she'd better hope Canadian foster homes have PCs with internet access.



Thanks to [H] Forum member MrAgmoore for the link.
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it's not for internet connection.

"The judge said that this was an exception, but the exception was to go on a field trip!" said lawyer Kim Beaudoin.
 
This story is sheer craziness. I'm surprised it didn't get thrown out at the first chance.
btw...gotta love that stock photo of "a computer at an internet cafe"
 
Make no mistake... this is what happens when parents DONT spank their kids.

Using a belt/paddle/palm on the ass does absolutely no damage, people that say this is phyiscal abuse should not be procreating.

Now punching your kid in the face, or throwing dishes/knives etc, IS NOT the correct way to discipline, but neither is telling your child to take a 'time-out'.

Yup... looks like 'time-outs' worked just great on this little girl. :rolleyes:
 
Every kid is different. Some might need a good spanking to get the point across while a stern talk might work for others. This girl probably needed (but didn't receive) the former.
 
The fact that the girl and her mother would sue the father to have his punishment of having her not go on the field trip is in and of itself a shameful display of parental malfeasance. Is the father not also an authority figure over his child? Apparently not according to the Canadian court that has overruled his ability to discipline his own child. Frankly, I'm amazed it even got as far as it did. But what the mother and the daughter have done now is completely and inexorably harmed their respective relationships with the father for all time. And rightly so, the father has said he will basically not have her with him anymore because he no longer has any more authority over her as a parent should now that the state has intervened in this way. And he is totally correct in doing so, in my opinion.

I hope this child thinks that suing her father to overturn her punishment to go on a field trip was worth damaging her relationship with him. She and her mothers total selfishness should be scorned here in this situation. Shame on them both and the judge as well.
 
skadebo said:
He raised a stupid kid, that's the problem.
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:rolleyes:
This is ignorant. You have no idea of the circumstances surrounding this child. From whatever evidence has been presented I would suggest the girl learned this behavior from her mother. Given that her mother undermined the custody authority by allowing the girl to live with her despite that he appears to have custody. Most of what children learn is by example. The lessons that stick are usually the ones they learn from their parental figures.
 
Methadras said:
The fact that the girl and her mother would sue the father to have his punishment of having her not go on the field trip is in and of itself a shameful display of parental malfeasance. Is the father not also an authority figure over his child? Apparently not according to the Canadian court that has overruled his ability to discipline his own child. Frankly, I'm amazed it even got as far as it did. But what the mother and the daughter have done now is completely and inexorably harmed their respective relationships with the father for all time. And rightly so, the father has said he will basically not have her with him anymore because he no longer has any more authority over her as a parent should now that the state has intervened in this way. And he is totally correct in doing so, in my opinion.

I hope this child thinks that suing her father to overturn her punishment to go on a field trip was worth damaging her relationship with him. She and her mothers total selfishness should be scorned here in this situation. Shame on them both and the judge as well.
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her and mommy won't give a fuck as long as they get to spend daddies money via child support.
 
Enduring_Warrior said:
Now we all can forget about being men and just hand over our ballz to the rediculous lesbians feminatzis.
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The current state of misandry in this US and Canada is shameful. Men are portrayed as goofy idiotic retarded mongoloids who couldn't take care of themselves if it wasn't for women. If any of you don't believe me then watch a little television and see how men are portrayed in movies, commercials, and episodic tv. It's all over the place. It's apparently in the judiciary as well.
 
Well couldn't the girl get in trouble for posting "possibly nude" photos of herself? Child Pornography laws?

We don't know if they were revealing or not.

I think it's stupid the judge even considered the case to be fought. Parents have a right to do anything to punish their child for misbehaving. 12 year old definitely shouldn't try to be acting like a slut on myspace.
 
Syndicated_Death said:
her and mommy won't give a fuck as long as they get to spend daddies money via child support.
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If the father can't get this idiotic decision overturned, then I would start proceedings to absolve parental rights to the child and stop all child support payments from that point forward. No way would I allow any court to dictate to me how I raise or discipline my child and then still expect me to fork over my hard earned cash in child support if I can't have authoritative jurisdiction over them.
 
Steve said:
A father grounds his 12 year old daughter off the internet because she posted inappropriate pictures of herself. The daughter SUES the father.
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Since when... can a 12 year old... sue.. are the legal fees paid for by the piggy bank, lunch money, or the parents...?
 
The way it read was that the kid left to stay with her mother after the graft with her father on her own. either way the suit was moot as she was already done with the trip. what use was it to sue after that. It was plain silly and waste of time. I would have tossed it on that point by itself. As for the crap of getting a state sponsored lawyer for this crap, win or lose she needs to pay her wages by herself. this was to the benefit of herself since this was a "rare, rare case". what a waste.
 
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot to the Cube !!!

I'm from Quebec and I'm actually very very surprised to see that decision rendered about that matter when this should have never crossed the doors of a courtroom. The worst of all is that it's the government who pay for the girl's lawyer (in the Quebec Superior Court, each parent in a family case get a lawyer but kids get a separate court-appointed lawyer to defend their own interests to avoid parents bidding on the kids interests) and the lawyer probably broke the limits of his mandate. I have a son and I would never let this happen because it's none of the business how we raise our son.

I even read a lot of news posts to understand the exact circumstances of the decision and I'm feeling it was more of a matter of mother's decision against father's decision (since the girl lived with the mother following the events and she allowed, despite father's objections). The parents was in a 10-year custody battle tell a lot about the messed up family portrait. This still doesn't excuse the stupid decision and if this become jurisprudence, that would set a very dangerous precedence.

 
I don't know what pisses me off more. The fact that the father gets sued for doing what any good parent would do. Or the fact that the judge sided with the kid. Frankly I think its disturbing how a lot of parents will allow their kids to dress. I don't have kids and I don't want to. However my brother in law does and I assure you I can't even imagine how pissed he would be.
 
We've seen pre-nup agreements.. This has to set the stage for a pre-teen agreement between you and your offspring!!

I dont see any other way that parents can bypass the downright ridiculous laws of western countries giving them the option to kick their spoilt kids in the rear when they deserve it.
 
Can any of you imagine 20 years ago any of this happening. It would have been utterly ridiculed on it's face and the mere notion that this was even plausible would have returned looks of disgust. Not to mention other things going on in society as well. Now look at what we have to deal with. This kind of stuff is bordering on chaos and I don't care how rare the judge said this is. It shouldn't have even occurred.
 
well... wait til the news hits that said stupid girl is now dead and raped cos she met some pyscho online. Lets see how mommy takes that one.

I'm sooo glad i dont have kids. Cos I'd have them taken off me by nanny state for "child abuse". (read groundings/ass tannings for when they were stupid or pushed too far)

kids dont know respect anymore. I wouldnt dare say fuck off to a cop. now you see it all the time and the law is more on side of kids. "You cant touch us. its abuse..." Yadda yadda. Never hurt me when i got grounded for being stupid or rowwing.

meh... /me gets pipe and slippers... I'm turning into my dad... its when u realise that teens are no longer your peers... and turned into "the little shits on the corner"
 
skadebo said:
He raised a stupid kid, that's the problem.
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Oh really? You can raise your kids hte best you know how. However, once they get to the age of 11+...your hands are bascially off until they are 21 and finally figure out you do have a clue. Throw in the wrong crowd and even the most well brought up child can become a complete and total sack of shit.
 
Methadras said:
If the father can't get this idiotic decision overturned, then I would start proceedings to absolve parental rights to the child and stop all child support payments from that point forward. No way would I allow any court to dictate to me how I raise or discipline my child and then still expect me to fork over my hard earned cash in child support if I can't have authoritative jurisdiction over them.
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Child support has nothing to do with "authoritative jurisdiction". It has to do with state enforced parental responsibility. It's the father's duty as a citizen to help care for the children he sires. Mother as well, BTW. Absolutely separate from disciplinary power.
 
Wshmaster0 said:
Since when... can a 12 year old... sue.. are the legal fees paid for by the piggy bank, lunch money, or the parents...?
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The article said that she used her mom's lawyer from her parents current 10 year custody battle. So either he added a few extra hours to mommy's bill, or he did it for free as he must have already made a mint off the mom.

OutriggerDzx said:
The way it read was that the kid left to stay with her mother after the graft with her father on her own. either way the suit was moot as she was already done with the trip. what use was it to sue after that. It was plain silly and waste of time. I would have tossed it on that point by itself. As for the crap of getting a state sponsored lawyer for this crap, win or lose she needs to pay her wages by herself. this was to the benefit of herself since this was a "rare, rare case". what a waste.
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Actually the way I read it. This happened before the girl went on the trip. The judge said that the dad couldn't stop her and that allowed the girl to go. The only thing occuring after the trip is the dad trying to get the ruling overturned that he is not allowed to be the boss of his own daugther that he has custody of.
 
Vryce said:
Child support has nothing to do with "authoritative jurisdiction". It has to do with state enforced parental responsibility. It's the father's duty as a citizen to help care for the children he sires. Mother as well, BTW. Absolutely separate from disciplinary power.
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Oh, I understand it's a fathers duty. It's more of a visceral reaction on my part in that, if I can't have a say so in the rearing or discipline of my child, then my role as father is reduced to that of nothing more than sperm donor. And since anyone can be a sperm donor, I would seek to absolve myself of any parental rights and financial responsibilities. If a woman can walk into a sperm bank and get sperm for insemination, where the sperm donor isn't financially responsible, then I don't see how this would be any different. If a court taken my ability to be the final authority in the way I discipline my child, then they are effectively telling me that they are now the parent because in this case or any other they know better than me how to discipline. I would be pissed just like this father is.

It's one thing to have a duty to your children financially in cases of divorce, but at least you have a modicum of say so in the rearing, discipline, and authoritativeness towards your child. If that gets taken away, then the incentive is gone.
 
im never gonna have a kid... a wife would be enough to worry about(if i ever get married).. now we gotta worry about the kid sueing you too? wow... marrage looks like a bad move more and more... whats next? is the family dog going to bruce lee my ass?
 
One question to you guys: her and mommy won't give a fuck as long as they get to spend daddies money via child support. Does anyone of you guys knows where is a place where you can marry without all of this hassle? I mean half the divorce money, etc?
 
Vryce said:
Child support has nothing to do with "authoritative jurisdiction". It has to do with state enforced parental responsibility. It's the father's duty as a citizen to help care for the children he sires. Mother as well, BTW. Absolutely separate from disciplinary power.
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What does he sires?
Apparently he has no power whatsoever? You want to talk about maturity and responsabilities in an unbalanced dissadvantaged situation that's at least unconsiderate and irresponsable.
 
Wshmaster0 said:
This folks is why you always.. ALWAYS wear a condom.
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And then what. allow the rest of the world to reproduce while the western countries reproduction rate keeps falling down. This things are just plain sabotage. Each day that passes I feel more and more ashamed to vall myself a westener. Something here stinks to social mass suicide.
 
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