Core upgrades

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  1. alxlwson

    alxlwson You Know Where I Live

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    So, I've decided I'm not waiting on Zen. My 980Ti is hungry.
    Needing new processor, RAM, and mobo. Skylake seems to be the way to go. Do I really need an i7 for gaming? Does it(HTT) even help? Is it a worthy upgrade from this 8320 that wont overclock to save its life?
     
  2. samm

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    If your building a system to keep you over till zen, and are only doing a single Ti, then buy the i5 skylake or even DC and then upgrade.
     
  3. alxlwson

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    That's not the purpose. I'm looking for longevity. I do like keeping 16GB of RAM. I do have a budget, and would like a mobo with the KILLER NIC or another hardware NIC. Processor upgrade will happen again as needed, so I don't need the fastest.
     
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    Best option would be to upgrade to the X99 and keep your systm relevant
     
  5. alxlwson

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    Why X99? Those processors are high dollar, same with their motherboards. Marginal performance gains over Z170 if I'm remembering correctly...
     
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    $319 5820k
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    $389 6700k

    Plus the broad well e will work with x99 so 10 core upgradability
     
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    No you do not need an i7 for gaming. Hyper threading just doesn't really benefit games. Get an i5, 2x8GB kit of DDR4 and a decent motherboard. KillerNIC is a marketing scheme. It doesn't benefit you at all. If you were transferring a lot of data for say a file server or the like then you'll want a real NIC made by Intel.
     
  8. alxlwson

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    Thanks!
    Do you have suggestions on parts? I'm wanting a noticeable upgrade via Skylake from my 990FX platform, but I don't wanna spend a fortune.
    Some quick RAM, a noticeable processor upgrade, and a quality mono that looks nice and will allow for some mild OC.
    Thanks!
     
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    Get some DDR4 2666 (8x2) - I like Crucial/Corsair, a 6600k (with at least a CM Hyper 212 Evo), and then say an Asus Z170-A....

    Approx cost: $550ish.

    Just to give you a baseline.
     
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    Thanks! Any other ideas on motherboards? Big fan of ASUS(all I've ever owned, going back to an A7V333-X), but I'm not a big gan of the white heatsinks.

    Thanks :)
     
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  13. alxlwson

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    Thanks! My H110i should mount right up correct?
     
  14. alxlwson

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    Damn, that 204.99 was looking super sweet at that price. Viewing on my phone I didn't pay much attention to what the PC Hound link generated to. Sadly, it's to an i5 6500 :(. I was super stoked thinking that was the 6600k pricing!
    What's with all of the RED on most of the 1151 motherboards? Is everyone simply following ASUS' them with the ROG boards?! Damn, I miss my DFi LANparty nForce mobo for my Barton. GREEN! GREEN EVERYWHERE!
     
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    As long as you still have the Intel bracket for that H110i, yes.
    Yeah I didn't catch that pricing mistake either. As for the Red color, red just looks better than green. :D
     
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    I hope I have the bracket! I'm sure that I do, I'm a pack rat.

    Red is ok. I like green, and my wife doesn't give me as much fuss with green stuff either.
    I really do want another LANparty styled motherboard. I loved them!
     
  17. Araxie

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    if you are buying right now for longevity forget that idea of buy an i5 as even right now it will be pegged in lot of games, i7 it's the way to go, actually there's almost no reason to buy i5 unless you are on extremely budget constraint situation... being honest with you, if you buy i5 right now you will have thread limited scenarios in a lot of games (specially if you like to multi-taks) resulting in a no totally smooth experience, some games old and new will then force you to overclock the 6600K to 4.5ghz to be able to stay at i7 6700K stock levels, you will have no issues with a lot of games either, most will be able to run with an amazing experience and still you will receive a huge upgrade for gaming over your FX8350 specially since yours isn't highly overclocked IIRC, so if you really want to go cheaper I would recommend instead going with an i7 4790K and Z97 Platform, but for future proofing if the things will follow this trend of games with better optimization for more threads i7 its the way to go.

    This video show how your chip perform against every i5 from sandy bridge up to skylake at stock settings


    And this one how both i7 6700K and i5 6600K perform at stock and overclocked.


    The videos speak itself with FrameRate and FrameTimes so it will show how smooth the experience will be.. so take these videos in consideration, if you want to go a bit cheaper 4790K is a solid option. if you want to have a machine for years i7 5820K + X99 (which in fact it's kinda similar in price to skylake) will be even better.
     
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    Ok, so 5820k it is... What's a solid mobo pick that won't break the bank? Needs at least six fan headers, more preferably. Eventually gonna put the processor under an OL setup.
    Will the 2011v3 see a Skylake-E at some point, or is it a dead platform? I don't wanna fool with something that won't have any upgrade path in two years.
     
  19. Dangman

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    Pretty much any platform you get nowadays is effectively dead-end in terms of cost-effective CPU upgrades. Will new CPUs be faster? Most likely. But fast enough to justify the cost of an upgrade? Nope. So for all intents and purposes, whatever CPU you buy for the PC is effectively the CPU you're stuck with for the usable lifetime of the PC.

    As for motherboards, the Asus X99-A/USB3.1 is a solid motherboard.
     
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    Dead as dead, not at all, you have a possible broadwell upgrade path in the future, that can help to increase core count at similar price bracket. But no skylake, skylake-E suposedly will require new chipset and/or socket. Anyway x99 will be alive for years.. so don't worry.. =)
     
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    Yeah, this is true... Sometimes I have hope of the Socket A days and the big jumps we saw between tbred and Barton. I guess that's just not gonna happen on the same socket anymore.

    I have been reading about the X99-A board. The price is right! The old reviews of the board point to issues with memory speeds. I haven't been able to find locate info indicating that this has been corrected...
     
  22. alxlwson

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    Where did you find the 5820k@ $319? I can't find it for less than your stated price of the 6700K.
     
  23. defaultluser

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    That's Microcenter in-store only!
     
  24. alxlwson

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    Ahh damn. I'm nowhere close to one of those. 40356
     
  25. alxlwson

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    I take that back... There is one in cinci... Hmmmm

    440 miles round trip isn't worth it for $70 alone. I'll have to try and find more parts that have good discounts on them for the build (a mobo and RAM). Although, Joe Crab Shack in Newport and Jungle Jims in Cinci could make for a nice over night trip.
     
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  26. alxlwson

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    I think I'm gonna go with a 6600k. I really want another Sabertooth board, and they are stupid pricey for X99. I'm also not too keen on spending that kind of cash on a platform that only has one last upgrade cycle on it. If having only four cores really is detrimental in the near future, then I think it goes without saying that we will see more than four cores on z170/1151. It only makes sense that Intel would have to do this. Anyway about it, the 6600K is still a huge upgrade from this ShitPileDozerVator that I have now.
    Thoughts?
     
  27. Dangman

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    Intel learned from their mistakes with the X79 platform where they had quad-cores on both their mainstream platforms (Z97, Z87, Z77, Z68) and enthusiast platform (X79). That actually hurt sales of the X79 platform as well as caused great confusion to consumers (apparently it was a common problem where people bought a 4820K CPU for the Z97 platform) according to the Intel rep I talked to. So they changed that with the X99 platform: Only six-core CPUs and above were released for that platform. In other words, anything more than four cores is going to Intel's enthusaist platform, not a mainstream platform like the Z170. It provides Intel more profit that way and makes it simpler for consumers to understand. So no, hex-core CPUs and above aren't coming to the Z170 platform.

    As for upgrade cycle, dude, the Z170 has the same issue as the X99: Whatever CPU upgrade comes out for it won't be fast enough to justify the cost to upgrade. You really cannot find a single platform out there that's going to have cost-effective CPU upgrades.
     
  28. alxlwson

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    I agree with what you're saying, mostly. However, unless there is a wicked IPC boost, the hexacore chips are going to have to make out of HEDT on to the standard platform. Perhaps it will only be offered without HT, and a cache neutering. Who knows, but its only common sense. You can't turn your Z customers into entry level users when games and productivity programs are making more and better use of multicore systems. It wasn't that long ago when the EE chips had all the fancy stuff that we now enjoy on the mainstream. Im not saying that it will be with Skylake, but if rumors are correct about the 10 core broadwell-e, that could be the push down for the hexacore.
     
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    Intel already has made the "Z" customers entry-level when they introduced the X platform. The goal for Intel is to get you to spend more money on a higher-end and costlier platform.

    As for the broadwell ten-core, still a rumor and it still makes zero sense for Intel to hurt sales of their X99 platform by introducing hex-core broadwell on Z170.

    EDIT: Just to be clear: I'm not saying the Z series will never see hex-core CPUs. I'm saying that we won't be seeing hex-core CPUs on Z170. Any hex-core CPU for the mainstream are going to show up on a different and newer Z platform as that makes more sense from a business standpoint. Which means that you should not be worrying at all about future CPU upgrades at all.
     
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  30. alxlwson

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    Of course thats the business model. Its the only way you make n+ monies.
    However, I truely believe we will see a six core part on z170. It makes sense. Four core only parts are tired and old. Hell, people still hanging on to their 2500k's because it's all been relatively stale since. DDR4 and a few extra PCI-E lanes alone don't have the "ooo shiny" effect, and Intel knows that now, and knew it before release. The only thing that is gonna get peoole excited again for a platform change is moving to a 6c part. Drop the hexa core from the X series and add in a deca core part. That keeps the X99 people happy and excited for that platform. Bring in the hex part to the Z170, then you launch new X platform after Broadwell-E has worn its welcome with Skylake-E parts.
    This makes the most business sense, and the z170 platform can obviously support the part.
    I'll even make a bet: we will see a six core Skylake, and within a year's time, and on current z170 boards, with a BIOS update. My bet... Well you take your pick of one off the shelfs. Except the amp, I'm not that sure about it. Unopened bottles of them all :)

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  31. Dangman

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    I doubt it. I do have access to an Intel rep. ;)

    Also remember that Intel can play the long-game just fine. There's no major competition from AMD and the strategy of small incremental improvements has proven profitable for Intel for the last 9 or so years. If you keep track of Intel's past progress, rarely has there been a major WOW factor that suddenly brought about massive upgrades across the board. Quad-core CPUs are more than enough for than enough for the vast majority of gamers, enthusiasts, and generalists who are the main customers for the Z170 platform. If there's a use case where the users needs more than four cores and can afford to buy a hex-core Intel CPU outright, then more than likely that user has enough extra money to spend on the higher-end platform that requires it. The situations where someone is able to only afford a cheap motherboard but a $400 CPU is stupid rare and not to mention just stupid IMO.

    Again, Intel learned from their past mistake. There isn't a strong reason for Intel to repeat said mistake. Not to mention that CPU releases are planned far in advance. As such, if there was an Intel hex-core for Z170, we would have heard something about it by now. See the roadmap for yourself:
    Intel 2016 Desktop CPU Roadmap Leaked - Kaby Lake-S, 10 Core Broadwell-E and Apollo Lake Processors Confirmed

    Intel is planning on releasing the $390 hex-core 6800K for 2011-3.
    I'm good. :) I'm quite satisfied with my whiskey collection as is and you don't have anything that would fit the theme I'm going for:
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    I have a single one collection of alcohol and its my "Diplomatico" Rum collection which certainly i'm proud of it xD.. specially with "reserva exclusiva" 12+ years and ambassador editions 18+ years.. probably best rum ever.

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    This is my everyday "take a cup" before work...
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    About on topic, idk alxlwson Im my opinion if you want to get the most of your machine for a long time the 6700K will worth the extra money.. that platform is basically also dead, the only upgrade path to Z170 is kaby-lake which its already confirmed to be a maximum quad core + HT consumer chip and everything else will be focused to increase iGPU performance.. is rumored that cannonlake will bring hexa core to consumer platform leavin i3 as native 4 cores, i5 as 4 cores + HT and i7 6cores+HT then move everything else in the enthusiast to 8 cores + HT and 10 cores +HT. im one of those who think a little more of money spent now can save a lot of money later when the extra performance will be needed. just think about it, you will be buying a whole new platform that require overclock since day 1, that's not good for the future bud.
     
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    Haven't tried any jap whiskeys. Closest I've had is Beam lol.
    I've got some 12yr rum from Guyana - El Dorado. That is some super tasty stuff, almost like candy. For $30 a bottle, its one hell of a buy. On the other hand, that 23yr Kirk and Sweeney is garbage. Expensive garbage. I pour it for people who don't know how to taste things. The "its old so its gotta be awesome" people. The same people that think Pappy 23yr is the best bourbon on the planet, even though it has about as much depth as Crown Royal. Pappy 21 is the best :)

    Cheap mobo/nice processor... That's kind of the way it rolls this time around lol, so making the choice to flip/flop to better mobo and skimp on processor. I'll return it if it is "slow".
    As you saw in the pics, lots of money tied up in bourbon and that Dynaco clone kit. Wife will only tolerate so much more.
     
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  34. alxlwson

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    Shoulda taken that bet! Could've had a $200 bottle :)