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You can add more ram. Not sure why no one did this before, if these guys make it, Intel should buy them, but not control them.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZM9wOvbh0
 
They come out with marketing stuff every so often over the years, as far as i know have never produced anything.
 
Darunion said:
They come out with marketing stuff every so often over the years, as far as i know have never produced anything.
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According to the video, they have a prototype chip taped out (or will have by end of year) on 14nm iirc, production (of the prototype) will be a yr after. They're working on a final design for 5nm.

Supposedly they have some lpddr5e or whatever stockpiled for later too.
 
Nobu said:
According to the video, they have a prototype chip taped out (or will have by end of year) on 14nm iirc, production (of the prototype) will be a yr after. They're working on a final design for 5nm.

Supposedly they have some lpddr5e or whatever stockpiled for later too.
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Yea they are full of crap and just soaking up investment money. They have been promising this for a while now.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...nology-exclusively-at-ces-2024-302028053.html

The Key Features and Advancements of Thunder:
  • Twice the speed of the most powerful GPU while consuming only half the power—making it an environmentally conscious choice in an era of increasing power-hungry competitor GPUs.
  • Enhanced rendering performance allows creators to create higher-quality content with reduced time and effort.
  • Eliminates the need for multiple content tweaks and optimizations traditionally required to achieve performance.
  • Seamless integration into 4nm silicon chips and will be available through key channels including pre-built servers, cloud services, and off-the-shelf consumer products by early 2025.
 
Darunion said:
Yea they are full of crap and just soaking up investment money. They have been promising this for a while now.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...nology-exclusively-at-ces-2024-302028053.html

The Key Features and Advancements of Thunder:
  • Twice the speed of the most powerful GPU while consuming only half the power—making it an environmentally conscious choice in an era of increasing power-hungry competitor GPUs.
  • Enhanced rendering performance allows creators to create higher-quality content with reduced time and effort.
  • Eliminates the need for multiple content tweaks and optimizations traditionally required to achieve performance.
  • Seamless integration into 4nm silicon chips and will be available through key channels including pre-built servers, cloud services, and off-the-shelf consumer products by early 2025.
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If they are going all in on path tracing, leaving raster to a smaller dedicated core, then I could see them being faster than current GPUs at path tracing specifically. I highly doubt they are faster than any GPU at rasterization, or much else. This appears to be their target, and what their "partners" are looking forward to.

I'm not surprised it's taken them a long time -- rendering acceleration (and compute in general) is a patent minefield, and while the math is relatively simple the chip design process is not.

I will be surprised if they actually come out with a product on the market that is actually competitive. I'm afraid it'll be barely competitive in a few games designed with it in mind, and then by the time more games are made for it competitors will have overtaken them easily.
 
edward78 said:
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You can add more ram. Not sure why no one did this before, if these guys make it, Intel should buy them, but not control them.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZM9wOvbh0
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Because it's slower. They talk about the pros and cons in the video.


I thought this product was some sort of scam, but it does actually seem like a legit endeavour.


The TLDW is they're basically building a hardware ray tracing card, fully designed and optimized for ray tracing. So they can potentially get 10X the ray tracing performance of a 5090, but everything else would be way slower.

So first they'll target people doing 3D renders and eventually try to move to gaming. But the games would have to basiccally be doing full ray tracing and no rasterization.
 
Nobu said:
If they are going all in on path tracing, leaving raster to a smaller dedicated core, then I could see them being faster than current GPUs at path tracing specifically. I highly doubt they are faster than any GPU at rasterization, or much else. This appears to be their target, and what their "partners" are looking forward to.

I'm not surprised it's taken them a long time -- rendering acceleration (and compute in general) is a patent minefield, and while the math is relatively simple the chip design process is not.

I will be surprised if they actually come out with a product on the market that is actually competitive. I'm afraid it'll be barely competitive in a few games designed with it in mind, and then by the time more games are made for it competitors will have overtaken them easily.
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I feel like their sweet spot and goal would be a form of 'accelerator' card. Which has always been a failure in the consumer market unfortunately.

Cloud rendering cards, possibly a market there.

They are so small they won't even get any fab time in a reasonable window for launch. Which is the part that sucks for any startups in this sector.

They really just have vaporware vibes to me.
 

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Back in the 90's there were a ton of video cards you were able to add memory to. Some came with sockets for individual chips, and others used proprietary ram modules you installed.
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What's old is "new" again...
 
Hey, everyone mocked unlimited detail and now we have some very good looking games with voxel worlds. Go check out 7 days to die for a good example.
 
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“Bolt Graphics Achieves Silicon Bring-up of Zeus Test Chip, Opens Taipei Office​

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Bolt Graphics, Inc. (Bolt), a fabless semiconductor startup building hardware and software for high-performance computing (HPC), rendering and digital twin workloads, today announced the bring-up of its Zeus test chip and the opening of its Taipei office to manage manufacturing partnerships as the company prepares for production of its first fully commercial GPU, planned for general availability in 2028. Building on the architecture of Bolt's rendering technology, the 12 nm TSMC test chip accelerates electromagnetic simulation and path tracing in software and hardware, enabling full-product simulation without physical prototypes.

Bolt's unique graphics processing unit (GPU) exceeds performance expectations, validating the innovative chip architecture. Bolt has successfully proven that highly complex physics algorithms can be executed using fixed-function hardware, which accelerates the training of advanced robotics and world models. The Zeus test chip is the first commercial GPU architecture with dedicated electromagnetic simulation hardware. This addresses the performance, accuracy and memory limits that historically prevented CPU- and GPU-based software from simulating complete products and is essential for the development of silicon photonics as well as research into new materials, optics, and stealth geometries.“
 
Honestly, start with nothing and build a company that can make something ikea this. Phenomenal. Its almost impossible. So instead of saying best wishes and high hopes, people would rather shit all over them and complain about nvIidia and AMD that t here aren't enough options on the market after shitting in a potential future option. The amount of utter retardation and hypocritical ultramaroon-a-rie knows no upper bounds.
 
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I'm all for another company coming out and challenging NVIDIA and AMD in the GPU market. I welcome that. The problem is that challenging NVIDIA is a very tall order. To the point where it seems almost impossible. AMD has resources and even some market share and it can't manage it despite having done so periodically in the past.
 
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Honestly, start with nothing and build a company that can make something ikea this. Phenomenal. Its almost impossible. So instead of saying best wishes and high hopes, people would rather shit all over them and complain about nvIidia and AMD that t here aren't enough options on the market after shitting in a potential future option. The amount of utter retardation and hypocritical ultramaroon-a-rie knows no upper bounds.
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hopefully better than BitBoys “vapour ware”

https://hardforum.com/threads/bitboys.1973024/

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