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DEs are for noobs. Real men don't have desktops
I like when someone claims there is spying based on what random internet people say without any kind of actual evidence that shows a malicious intent rather than something that can be reasonably determined to be the result of overzealous diagnostics collection. Microsoft even openly admits, via a link right in the Windows 10 settings, that this could potentially happen. It's not hidden and doesn't need to be implied. There's even an option in Windows 10 Pro to view the diagnostics data, and an option to delete it.I like when someone says they are not worried about OS spying. Reminds me of the boiling frog fable, your rights are slowly being taken away, but when people notice it will be too late, oh well
I like when someone claims there is spying based on what random internet people say without any kind of actual evidence that shows a malicious intent rather than something that can be reasonably determined to be the result of overzealous diagnostics collection. Microsoft even openly admits, via a link right in the Windows 10 settings, that this could potentially happen. It's not hidden and doesn't need to be implied. There's even an option in Windows 10 Pro to view the diagnostics data, and an option to delete it.
Microsoft is more than capable of doing stupid things, but the vast majority of it I tend to lump into the 'mistake' and 'poor executive judgement' categories rather than the 'malicious intent' category.
The chances of the OP having a legal avenue to Win10 LTSB is probably very close to zero. Its not a consumer option.
Office suites are free, how is 475,- a year cheap? LOL! Almost brainless if you ask me.ActionPack.
$475/year
Windows Server
Windows Desktop
Office
SQL
Dynamics
Exchange
Visual Studio
Just for getting Office, that's cheap.
Tack in all the OS, service and dev material and it's almost a no-brainer.
Office suites are free, how is 475,- a year cheap? LOL! Almost brainless if you ask me.
I still rock W7 for my main rigs. W10 brings me nothing I want and lots of things I dont want. ...W10 annoys the hell out of me every time I use it.
I like when someone claims there is spying based on what random internet people say without any kind of actual evidence that shows a malicious intent rather than something that can be reasonably determined to be the result of overzealous diagnostics collection. Microsoft even openly admits, via a link right in the Windows 10 settings, that this could potentially happen. It's not hidden and doesn't need to be implied. There's even an option in Windows 10 Pro to view the diagnostics data, and an option to delete it.
Microsoft is more than capable of doing stupid things, but the vast majority of it I tend to lump into the 'mistake' and 'poor executive judgement' categories rather than the 'malicious intent' category.
If you're using office 'plugins' you're doing it wrong. What a horrible thought. Do you really think the world has only two choices, Gmail and Exchange? Really?Sure. If you want to dink with Google's web interface.
Or Open/Libre Office.
However, if you're using it in conjunction with plugins from other software, you don't really find a lot of those plugins for Google/Open/Libre Office, do you?
And good luck working someplace that takes it's infrastructure security (and accountability) seriously and trying to convince them your GMail account is "okay" and that you don't need to use Outlook and their Exchange servers...
I haven't found anything I would need to do with Office that I couldn't do with Libreoffice.Companies use corporate licenses and mostly they don't pay full retail licenses if they have multiple workplaces.
MS Office is not free but it's superior to the rest of the pack no matter it's MS and has its flaws. I used and tested every office suite there is (at least relatively popular), among kingsoft, open/libre, and others. Almost all are pure crap. Libre is Ok-ish for basic documents or letters and where the price tag is very crucial. I don't think I'm biased because i hate many MS products and don't use them, among browsers, mail clients, built-in tools in Windows etc.
If you're using office 'plugins' you're doing it wrong. What a horrible thought. Do you really think the world has only two choices, Gmail and Exchange? Really?
I accept.Wow. Screw me for simply offering an alternative to buying at retail price.
But fine. Any spincter-pull solution YOU provide MUST automatically be superior in any and every situation.
I bow to your bottomless, godlike knowledge!
Sure. If you want to dink with Google's web interface.
Or Open/Libre Office.
However, if you're using it in conjunction with plugins from other software, you don't really find a lot of those plugins for Google/Open/Libre Office, do you?
And good luck working someplace that takes it's infrastructure security (and accountability) seriously and trying to convince them your GMail account is "okay" and that you don't need to use Outlook and their Exchange servers...
ActionPack.
$475/year
Windows Server
Windows Desktop
Office
SQL
Dynamics
Exchange
Visual Studio
Just for getting Office, that's cheap.
Tack in all the OS, service and dev material and it's almost a no-brainer.
Last time I tried to open a ~10MB document in Libre and it went to a crawl and almost impossible to work. MS Office opens everything instantly and never an issue. And this is just a small example why I got sick of many open source crap over the years. Some like Firefox or Thunderbird I use with pleasure of course.
I have many shareware WIndows software I contribute to their authors and most get things fixed in a matter of hours or days. With open source when we talk about smaller apps, you pray someone takes some free time after his job hours to try to fix something. And even in open source there are long-years standing bugs that are not fixed.
That isn't LTSB which requires a Volume enterprise licence.
Also contrary to popular belief around here... your employer having a licence DOES NOT entitle you to install enterprise anything at home.
Enterprise licences start much higher then 500 bucks... and LTSB is not a common MS solution. Last I heard they where pretty reluctant to even talk about it to people with 50+ licences.
So ya folks stop even talking about LTSB.... unless your advocating piracy.
At some level you have to.I like when someone claims to trust big corporations; even giving them the benefit of the doubt. Gives me that warm fuzzy feeling inside.
Meh - OP - do what real men do. Install all the operating systems and dual/triple boot them.
Me personally, I had all three going. I boot exclusively into linux these days, I only switch to W10 to game. I've abandoned my W7 install in favor of linux. Your future is probably W10 or a linux distro - not W7. But you still have plenty of time to make that move...
- Win 7 is and always has been fine. Some spyware is sneaking its way in so it's not far from 10 these days. Also the OS will eventually go out of support. But it'll work fine for a while.
- Win10 is a newer version of 7 that's perfectly functional, but it's got it's flaws. Settings fragmentation is stupid but not the end of the world - just bush league for someone as big as MS. The spying is a thing, but you're probably doing worse already. Updates can be deferred, so you don't have to get hit with the bad QC. The only thing that W10 simply will not stop doing is that damn blue pop up "you have updates to install" that steals the focus from your games. Just stop stealing the damn focus for a notification and we'd be cool. But you can't make decisions about W10 from a bunch of neckbeards like myself on the internet - install it for yourself and see if you like it.
- Install a version of linux. Mint is and always has been a "work right out of the box" OS. If you've got O365, you can run microsoft word from a browser. Or you can use that W7 disk and run it in a VM. Many games run fine in steam, but let's be honest - gaming is still best in a version of windows. So ya - dual boot.
So don't talk with Microsoft. Talk with a vendor like CDW.
I've always found them willing to at least look for an option to do what you want to do.
https://www.cdw.com/product/windows-10-enterprise-ltsc-2019-upgrade-license/5301533?pfm=srh
The claim that you are unable to turn off updates in win 10 (as a whole) is just taking over everywhere. It's wrong and I don't understand why people continue repeating this.
If it's anything Pro or above, stopping automatic updates is trivial, even if not a simple checkbox in Control panel. And updates, even feature 6-months ones don't change the settings that make this possible.
What do you do to make that happen, specifically?
This (group policy - Windows Update) should be enough.
I also usually use Windows Firewall in default Block for Outbound but on this machine I reverted to default Allow as a recent test because even if I tested this before, many people still insist group policy didn't stop auto updates only on its own. Well, still no update checks and annoyances. If I revert this group policy to default and turn off firewall blocking of svchost, Windows will check and annoy for updates just few minutes after boot.
So, I've been out of the OS loop for quite some time. I still use Win7 for CAD programs, internet browsing and some gaming.
[snip] thanx
Wrong. While not a checkbox, it's a dropdown menu in the advanced update settings menu on Pro and higher. Would you like a screenshot?I would like to know too since as of 1709 Microsoft has limited Pro and higher versions to delay updates. Minor ones for 30 days and major feature updates to 365 days. Both using group policy, not a "simple checkbox in control panel".
I question whether you actually read my post, or just picked a couple of things out. My point about power users being afforded more control and power was a general statement. For me it really comes down to how much more efficiently I can manage my various servers and services running on those servers by using tools like SSH, service management via systemd, etc. It's a personal preference thing, that mainly is a jab at how needlessly GUI oriented Windows is. Sure, I like a GUI, but the CLI gives me so much more flexibility when it comes to making tasks automated and more efficient to execute. This one is really just personal preference.Just a few points.
Yes, we all know home people now use mostly their smarts or tablets for browsing... if that's all they do "at home". All those people go to work somewhere. It's unlikely most of them work on their phones at work.
Also those people if they like to game, they have a desktop or laptop. This I would assume. Period.
Office suites and "whatnot" may not be home uasge, but it's office usage "at work". And not on a smartphone.
A "power user" at least in my opinion is not the user that keeps messing around with his OS all day long - it's not what the OS was designed to do after all. It was designed to do work (most linux addicts fail to understand that) and work is done with tools and software and how you make use of them.
I think I'm a... power windows user (not so much anyway) - I have multitude of tools that help everydays tasks and some things are harder to implement in Linux the way I got used to. And I made them the way I LIKE, as opposed to most who will say "you are the Windows-way". Wrong.
"it would seem that MS is relying on the user base to do QA for them"
- Good Morning! It's something the Linux world is doing from nearly its inception. Do you think, you using Linux, are not another tester for big corporations using the enterprise versions of this? This is a public secret. Yet, now you "discover" something that is even normal. No testing could possibly uncover all things that millions of user base could in just a matter of days, WHEN your user base is billions. Yes, lately the quality of updates deteriorated, for sure. But I always waited for few weeks before even think to update important machines, from Windows 2000 times up to now! Nothing too dramatic and new.
"How the hell does that get through"
- Seriously?! You seem to never have written and publicized a line of code, what about some more complex one. Serious bugs happen, not so often though. The bug in question affected very small number of users and was fast pulled back. I was annoyed by this fact too, but let's not be so final.
Lunar, your screenshot is about deferring some types of updates for some time. It has nothing to do with stopping updates at all "forever" until the user decides to check and update by hand whenever s/he is ready.