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Considering Going back to INTEL just 1 question?

newls1

newls1

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Im currently gaming on an FX57 @ 3.12GHz, but am looking to go back to intel. Does Intel have a chip that can compair to my FX57 as far as games go? I am no means an AMD lover, just looking to go back to INTEL at some point cause there "platform" seems a LITTLE more stable. If Intel cant compair to my FX57, will they have something in the future you think?
 
It's called the P4 at around 4.8 - 5.2GHz.

I'm serious.

Conroe might be able to compete, but we know next to nothing about it other than Performance Per Watt hype.
 
A Pentium M at 2.8 GHz or higher should prove to be tough competition for your setup, especially in most games.

And even Yonah, the next-generation Pentium M, will be more well-rounded than the Dothan thanks to FPU and other improvements. Yonah will launch right away in 2006, according to current projections.
 
newls1 said:
Im currently gaming on an FX57 @ 3.12GHz, but am looking to go back to intel. Does Intel have a chip that can compair to my FX57 as far as games go? I am no means an AMD lover, just looking to go back to INTEL at some point cause there "platform" seems a LITTLE more stable. If Intel cant compair to my FX57, will they have something in the future you think?
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In june or july next year , Intel will launch its new generation microarchitecture , and the first cpu is based on a core called Conroe:

-dual core
-2.93Ghz launch speed
-1333Mhz FSB
-4MB L2 shared
-2400 estimated SpecInt ( A FX57 2.8Ghz pulls 1860 )
 
savantu said:
In june or july next year , Intel will launch its new generation microarchitecture , and the first cpu is based on a core called Conroe:

-dual core
-2.93Ghz launch speed
-1333Mhz FSB
-4MB L2 shared
-2400 estimated SpecInt ( A FX57 2.8Ghz pulls 1860 )
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Although that's some sweet she-yte, that is Dual Core though. I agree more with the other guy. OTOH, Yonah is the one to look for and it has a Jan-06 launch or a little over 4 weeks from now.

Donnie27
 
Don't get me wrong. Conroe is promising, moreso than Yonah (which is merely a transitional product). But let's take it one step at a time, okay?
 
yonah on the desktop is what im currently waiting for, should game real nice and last me until conroe comes out.... :)
 
savantu said:
In june or july next year , Intel will launch its new generation microarchitecture , and the first cpu is based on a core called Conroe:

-dual core
-2.93Ghz launch speed
-1333Mhz FSB
-4MB L2 shared
-2400 estimated SpecInt ( A FX57 2.8Ghz pulls 1860 )
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how does this compare to a pentium D 840 (dual core 3.0 ghz) that's out today using the current intel microarchitecture?
 
xonik said:
A Pentium M at 2.8 GHz or higher should prove to be tough competition for your setup, especially in most games.

And even Yonah, the next-generation Pentium M, will be more well-rounded than the Dothan thanks to FPU and other improvements. Yonah will launch right away in 2006, according to current projections.
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Yeah but are their any PCI-Express boards that will use a Pentium-M? If you are suck with AGP that would suck.
 
Anything that uses the 915GM or PM chipset. There are a few, and the Asus Socket 479 adapter allows a few more options.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
Yeah but are their any PCI-Express boards that will use a Pentium-M? If you are suck with AGP that would stuck.
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Don't you mean, If you are stuck with AGP that would suck ? :p
 
xonik said:
Anything that uses the 915GM or PM chipset. There are a few, and the Asus Socket 479 adapter allows a few more options.
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Like the P4GD1 that's only available in europe?

My notebook has the 915PM chipset. With a 6600 Go, the Pentium M holds its ground, but it's no Opteron 165, heh. That's why I prefer my desktop: there aren't any mobile dual cores (though the X2 architecture can easily be ported into the mobile sector, as it runs cooler than even a P4.)
 
xonik said:
Don't get me wrong. Conroe is promising, moreso than Yonah (which is merely a transitional product). But let's take it one step at a time, okay?
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"one step at a time" is exactly why I pointed out Yonah. Transitional? Hell, everything in and on this market is transistional ;) Conroe will end up being compared to Yonah more than any of the P4's including Presler (In the DIY market). Both current 8xxD and X2 are "transitional" as well. Sure X2 has enough brawn to keep it stronger longer. Yet, I'm interested in how it will make use of DDR2 and Sc-M2 etc...... It had less overhead than the P4 with DDR1, I've seen nothing that makes me believe this will change with DDR2.

Donnie27
 
robberbaron said:
Like the P4GD1 that's only available in europe?

My notebook has the 915PM chipset. With a 6600 Go, the Pentium M holds its ground, but it's no Opteron 165, heh. That's why I prefer my desktop: there aren't any mobile dual cores (though the X2 architecture can easily be ported into the mobile sector, as it runs cooler than even a P4.)
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No it couldn't. It uses too much power and is still hotter than every friggen *true Mobile Processor on the planet. *That's not counting "Desknote" or "Mobile Desktop" Processors made by Intel and AMD.

Donnie27
 
Donnie27 said:
No it couldn't. It uses too much power and is still hotter than every friggen *true Mobile Processor on the planet. *That's not counting "Desknote" or "Mobile Desktop" Processors made by Intel and AMD.

Donnie27
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I dunno, mine idles at 28c and loads at 33c on air cooling. It has pretty good thermal characteristics for being a dual core, and it can be undervolted to idle at 23c and load at 28c at 1.6GHz. Perfect for a mobile platform. I'm not sure how much experience you have with X2's and dual core Opterons, but they run cooler than single core Athlon 64's.

When it comes to true mobile processors, the AMD geodes and Transmeta Efficeons take the cake. 5W TDP's FTW.
 
newls1 said:
Im currently gaming on an FX57 @ 3.12GHz, but am looking to go back to intel. Does Intel have a chip that can compair to my FX57 as far as games go? I am no means an AMD lover, just looking to go back to INTEL at some point cause there "platform" seems a LITTLE more stable. If Intel cant compair to my FX57, will they have something in the future you think?
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Dothan.
 
robberbaron said:
Like the P4GD1 that's only available in europe?

My notebook has the 915PM chipset. With a 6600 Go, the Pentium M holds its ground, but it's no Opteron 165, heh. That's why I prefer my desktop: there aren't any mobile dual cores (though the X2 architecture can easily be ported into the mobile sector, as it runs cooler than even a P4.)
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Sorry to say but dothans own 165's =P
 
sabrewolf732 said:
Sorry to say but dothans own 165's =P
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In what? Power consumption? I'd hope so, being single cores. Too bad they have relatively poor multimedia performance compared to the Opteron. But I'm biased against the Dothan since it's sluggish compared to my 2600MHz dual core. Sure its good for battery life, but that goes out the window when you are doing the only application that it's good at (gaming.) The dothan chips themselves are also unreasonably expensive, except for the Celeron M's. Not to mention the limited platform, outdated single core design, etc.
 
robberbaron said:
In what? Power consumption? I'd hope so, being single cores. Too bad they have relatively poor multimedia performance compared to the Opteron. But I'm biased against the Dothan since it's sluggish compared to my 2600MHz dual core. Sure its good for battery life, but that goes out the window when you are doing the only application that it's good at (gaming.) The dothan chips themselves are also unreasonably expensive, except for the Celeron M's.
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In gaming, isn't that amd's main argument (or it was for a LONG time) ? And dothan runs a bit cooler than any desktop chip amd offers right now
 
sabrewolf732 said:
In gaming, isn't that amd's main argument (or it was for a LONG time) ?
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The AMD dual cores outdo the intel chips in everything from gaming to multimedia to server applications. Once they added a 2nd execution core, the fit hit the shan.

sabrewolf732 said:
In gaming, isn't that amd's main argument (or it was for a LONG time) ? And dothan runs a bit cooler than any desktop chip amd offers right now
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The AMD Geode LX runs even cooler. And let's not get started on the Nehemiah C3's and the Z80's.
 
robberbaron said:
The AMD dual cores outdo the intel chips in everything from gaming to multimedia to server applications. Once they added a 2nd execution core, the fit hit the shan.




The AMD Geode LX runs even cooler. And let's not get started on the Nehemiah C3's and the Z80's.
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Fact remains dothan is the best gaming cpu :eek: In the early a64 days AMD people would say a64's were fastest due to their domination in games, now the games argument is not valid? And you're saying the dothan is not low power or cool and comparing it to a c3 and geode, processors that perform NO WHERE near a64 or dothan levels.Also don't know if you noticed but the OP is looking for gaming.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
Fact remains dothan is the best gaming cpu :eek: In the early a64 days AMD people would say a64's were fastest due to their domination in games, now the games argument is not valid? And you're saying the dothan is not low power or cool and comparing it to a c3 and geode, processors that perform NO WHERE near a64 or dothan levels.Also don't know if you noticed but the OP is looking for gaming.
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And the Dothan is going to be an impractical setup for him if he wants gaming. He'll be looking at AGP with an overclocked dothan, or PCIe with a near stock dothan due to the bad selection of good boards.

Yes, Dothans are good at games and SuperPI, but that's where it ends. They plain suck at multimedia, where A64's at least were competitive in those areas. For gaming, a dual core would be the best upgrade for the OP. Remember the benches where the 4800+ beat the FX-57 in Quake 4 and Serious Sam 2? That's putting it in league with the Dothan (and it would be a dual core, so it would beat the dothan in every thing else except battery life, as if that mattered for a desktop.)

In Aquamark, my 165 at 2600MHz got the same score as my 144 at 3050MHz, and the 144 had much faster UTT on it. Both got 100k on air with a 7800GTX. The nVidia drivers are allowing for some pretty decent boosts in 3d applications with dual cores.
 
robberbaron said:
And the Dothan is going to be an impractical setup for him if he wants gaming. He'll be looking at AGP with an overclocked dothan, or PCIe with a near stock dothan due to the bad selection of good boards.

Yes, Dothans are good at games and SuperPI, but that's where it ends. They plain suck at multimedia, where A64's at least were competitive in those areas. For gaming, a dual core would be the best upgrade for the OP. Remember the benches where the 4800+ beat the FX-57 in Quake 4 and Serious Sam 2? That's putting it in league with the Dothan (and it would be a dual core, so it would beat the dothan in every thing else except battery life, as if that mattered for a desktop.)
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You can get a pci-e socket 478 board from asus.And besides this argument is what is a better gaming cpu, we're not arguing the rest of the setup. Dothan is the best gaming cpu. However if I were the op, I would stick with the a64. too much hassle with dothan
 
sabrewolf732 said:
You can get a pci-e socket 478 board from asus.And besides this argument is what is a better gaming cpu, we're not arguing the rest of the setup. Dothan is the best gaming cpu. However if I were the op, I would stick with the a64. too much hassle with dothan
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The X2 is the best gaming CPU, but since you're ignoring that point, I'll address that board you mentioned.

That board is only available in Europe. It's nearly impossible to find one in North America. That's pretty impractical, if you ask me.
 
robberbaron said:
The X2 is the best gaming CPU, but since you're ignoring that point, I'll address that board you mentioned.

That board is only available in Europe. It's nearly impossible to find one in North America. That's pretty impractical, if you ask me.
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you can import it. :p :rolleyes: And I still say the dothan is the best :p
 
sabrewolf732 said:
you can import it. :p :rolleyes: And I still say the dothan is the best :p
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I disagree, since you have to overclock the dothan well beyond official speedgrades from Intel that negate their conservative TDP in order to match the X2 and FX-57, but at least I agree that the Dothan is *one* of the best for gaming. You must have never used a dual core if you're pimping a single core, hehe.
 
bobthebaker said:
how does this compare to a pentium D 840 (dual core 3.0 ghz) that's out today using the current intel microarchitecture?
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Twice as fast based on performance figures leaked.
 
got my yonah on the way allong with my new mobo for it,should be able to sneak out of nda soon enuff to get some score's posted!
 
robberbaron said:
I dunno, mine idles at 28c and loads at 33c on air cooling. It has pretty good thermal characteristics for being a dual core, and it can be undervolted to idle at 23c and load at 28c at 1.6GHz. Perfect for a mobile platform. I'm not sure how much experience you have with X2's and dual core Opterons, but they run cooler than single core Athlon 64's.

When it comes to true mobile processors, the AMD geodes and Transmeta Efficeons take the cake. 5W TDP's FTW.
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Pardon me , but you're way off....

True mobile proccesors are Pentium M ULV :

1.4Ghz 10w
1.2Ghz 5.5w
1/1.1Ghz 5w

No stinkin K7 under a different name ( Geode ) beats that.....

1.4Ghz 25w
1Ghz 9w
 
And let's see those 1ghz Pentium M's beat the FX-57 as was said they did.

Those are impressive thermal envelopes, but Intel underrates their TDP's on their products. They're rated at somewhere around 82% of their full load consumption.

Though I'd for sure take a Pentium M over a Geode.
 
If im not mistaken, AMD Geode is an embedded processor on mini-ITX or nano-ITX boards.. Besides, i havent seen any released yet, so im pretty sure any figures on the Geodes are speculative. (I could be mistaken, of course) As for the OPs orginal question about gaming, you will not get any better than the Opteron 165/FX-57/X2 4800+/Opteron 144/146, No intel compairs to them, especially the 165, and X2 4800+ dual cores
 
robberbaron said:
And let's see those 1ghz Pentium M's beat the FX-57 as was said they did.

Those are impressive thermal envelopes, but Intel underrates their TDP's on their products. They're rated at somewhere around 82% of their full load consumption.

Though I'd for sure take a Pentium M over a Geode.
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Quote where someone said 1GHz pentium m's beat fx57's. :rolleyes: In thermal chracteristics dothan's beat athlon 64's, that's all I said.
 
savantu said:
Twice as fast based on performance figures leaked.
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Leaked? I thought we had all decided that was BS hogwash marketing :) And 10 monthes away to boot.
 
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