*confirmed RX 64 Launch pricing was only for "early sales" Is AMD's RX Vega 64's MSRP 449.99 a lie

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Sad if true, AMD for gamers?, I think not.
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/amd_s_rx_64_launch_pricing_was_only_for_early_sales/1

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"AMD's "discounted" RX Vega GPUs sold out within minutes, which means that AMD's RX Vega 64 now has an effective MSRP of £549.99, which is a price increase of over 20%. While gamers will now get copies of Wolfenstein II and Prey for free with their GPU, this by no means makes up for the GPU's £100 price increase.

What is more startling is that OC3D was never told that AMD's standalone RX Vega 64 Black (Reference) GPU would only be priced at £449.99 temporarily, a factor that would no doubt affect the conclusion of any RX Vega review. So far most reviews list AMD's RX Vega 64 as being priced at AMD's original MSRP of $499 and £449, which is no longer true. "
 
This seems to be the new normal.

Remember the 379 msrp for the 1070? It was retailing for mid 400s for a long time, and now the cheapest 1070 on newegg is still 440, over a year from launch.


The 1080 retailed for a msrp of 599. We remember the actual prices do we not? It was not 599. There seems to be so much pent up demand for new gpu releases, even for gpus that are clearly not fully up to par and late, that this new normal is probably going to stick around.
 
tybert7 said:
This seems to be the new normal.

Remember the 379 msrp for the 1070? It was retailing for mid 400s for a long time, and now the cheapest 1070 on newegg is still 440, over a year from launch.


The 1080 retailed for a msrp of 599. We remember the actual prices do we not? It was not 599. There seems to be so much pent up demand for new gpu releases, even for gpus that are clearly not fully up to par and late, that this new normal is probably going to stick around.
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that's because of mining
 
Founder's Edition pricing really didn't help matters either though.

EG I got my 1080 at the same price as the old 980ti used to, for a very similar model (MSI Gaming), 1080ti's prices are much tamer in comparison.
 
chenw said:
Founder's Edition pricing really didn't help matters either though.

EG I got my 1080 at the same price as the old 980ti used to, for a very similar model (MSI Gaming), 1080ti's prices are much tamer in comparison.
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I dunno. I first got EVGA 1080 SC the day it launched for $619 on newegg, but didn't like it. Then A few days later I got Gigabyte G1 for $435 again the first day they made it to newegg, but didn't even open it and sold to a fellow forum member for what I paid. Then on June 17th I got 1080 Xtreme Gaming premium pack with all bells and whistles for the price of FE. Sold it after a year though in favor of a 2-slot card and now happy with barely used 1080 EVGA FTW2 thanks to another fellow member. So even at launch in 2016 I had to pay either just a bit more over msrp, like with SC or G1, or there was a reason for higher price like premium pack with xtreme. BTW as far as I remember the MSRP prices were $399 (not 379) and 599 for aib and $449 / $699 FE.
 
I posted this in another thread, but it was rare to find any Pascal card close to nVidia's claimed MSRPs (both non-FE and FE versions) for the first few weeks/couple of months upon release. Not enough stock plus demand is going to equate to higher prices.
 
Algrim said:
I posted this in another thread, but it was rare to find any Pascal card close to nVidia's claimed MSRPs (both non-FE and FE versions) for the first few weeks/couple of months upon release. Not enough stock plus demand is going to equate to higher prices.
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You can't get a GTX 1080 for $499 as far as I can see. The only cards I see at MSRP are the GTX 1080 Ti. :) Mining is big business.
 
tybert7 said:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125908

That's a 10 dollar spread from msrp for a blower 1080 @ 499.99. Contrast that to Vega 64 where everything is out of stock and the effective entry point is 599.99, not a hundred dollar spread from 499.99.

Not even close.
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Same thing because that blower card you linked was $429 before the mining craze started straight from NewEgg. :) I kick myself in the arse for not ordering it everyday.
 
Algrim said:
I posted this in another thread, but it was rare to find any Pascal card close to nVidia's claimed MSRPs (both non-FE and FE versions) for the first few weeks/couple of months upon release. Not enough stock plus demand is going to equate to higher prices.
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Eh i bought my 1080 Ti FE locally just a few weeks after launch for 700. I was perfectly ok with buying an FE because i fully intended to later buy a waterblock and watercool it. It actually turned out to be harder to get that after launch than the card, i ended up canceling my first order after a month and a half of excuses from aquatuning/aquacomputer and ordered an EK block sense i knew they had good stock in full swing at that point.
 
500mm2 die, HBM2 chips, interposer, heavy VRM and cooling etc. Its just painful for both AMD and its AIBs. The cards are overpriced with ~200$ and its just a matter of time before 200$ is what they can sell for when GV106 comes. Better cash in before you have to discontinue the product anyway. The loyalist will pay any price.
 
Shintai said:
500mm2 die, HBM2 chips, interposer, heavy VRM and cooling etc. Its just painful for both AMD and its AIBs. The cards are overpriced with ~200$ and its just a matter of time before 200$ is what they can sell for when GV106 comes. Better cash in before you have to discontinue the product anyway. The loyalist will pay any price.
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Meaning you should buy one, the 56 is actually looking good - just use the power saver profile and chill to get that power level down. :D
 
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You guys understand the "S" in MSRP is "Suggested"? AMD doesn't set market pricing for it's AIBs.
 
Rizen said:
You guys understand the "S" in MSRP is "Suggested"? AMD doesn't set market pricing for it's AIBs.
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They don't set the price for retailers. It is capitalism pure and simple. Now if people want AMD to manufacture their own hardware like Nvidia does, and sell them on their own website like the Titan is sold, then they need to address these concerns with AMD.
 
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Pfff reference vega 64 for $599 as part of the radeon packs on newegg? What a pos.
 
Raendor said:
No games listed on newegg as part of those packs. Only hw. I'm talking about $599 price of 64 as part of the pack which includes mobo and cpu or mobo, cpu and monitor.

https://m.newegg.com/ProductList?keyword=Rx+vega
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https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709 601301447

Every single graphics card that comes up on that search (RX Vega 64 only,, no Vega FE) includes games...

You do not see it until you actually click thru to the individual graphics card...

But all 14 items (RX Vega 64 air-cooled (black reference & silver limited edition) & RX Vega 64 water-cooled, all at US$599, all have the two games bundled in...
 
Is it a "pack"? I see that you get Wolfenstein and Prey but I don't see anything about the motherboard or anything else. Just $600 for a reference card! $$90 more expensive than the faster and cooler running 1080. That can't be right.
 
Boil said:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709 601301447

Every single graphics card that comes up on that search (RX Vega 64 only,, no Vega FE) includes games...

You do not see it until you actually click thru to the individual graphics card...

But all 14 items (RX Vega 64 air-cooled (black reference & silver limited edition) & RX Vega 64 water-cooled, all at US$599, all have the two games bundled in...
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Ok, anyway. You can get Prey for $20 already. I don't think games deserve to be considered added value most of the time. Just a nice bonus, but not be regarde as a $100 discount if you take them into consideration cause there's no option to get the actual discount instead of games.
 
Eth's up and BTC's WAY up, wtf did you think was gonna happen to the Vid Card market with a new release???
 
Damn - this would actually be illegal in Australia. Also called bait pricing...

Advertise something for one price and then switch it up when it suits you. Not cool...
Shame really - competition makes the market better for everyone.
 
cageymaru said:
You get some games with the $599 pack. Otherwise miners would have bought those out also.
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Does AMD now enforce those games to be registered to the card/owner like Nvidia (not sure but I thought there was grumbling Nvidia was going to or has done this)?
If not then miners can still buy the game package and just sell the games on albeit not at full price to some of those key services.
Personally I would find it annoying as a consumer if forced to link 'free' games somehow to the card, but mining may end up forcing this *shrug*.
Cheers
 
CSI_PC said:
Does AMD now enforce those games to be registered to the card/owner like Nvidia (not sure but I thought there was grumbling Nvidia was going to or has done this)?
If not then miners can still buy the game package and just sell the games on albeit not at full price to some of those key services.
Personally I would find it annoying as a consumer if forced to link 'free' games somehow to the card, but mining may end up forcing this *shrug*.
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Games was never linked to the card/owner. Both AMD and Nvidia got a utility to redeem games.
 
Shintai said:
Games was never linked to the card/owner. Both AMD and Nvidia got a utility to redeem games.
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I just went back and checked.
Seems the codes must be used with the same model when Nvidia combines them in bundle but also hints of it being more restrictive, so still does not really stop miners although restricts more the game codes viability in that scenario.
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/so..._bundles_will_now_be_linked_to_bundled_gpus/1
https://rewardsportal.nvidia.com/en-gb/redemption-faq#gfe
Graphics Card Requirements- Some coupons can only be redeemed on selected graphics card. These coupons are typically tied to a graphics card purchase or promotional giveaway. Please make sure your graphics card is installed before redemption.

Regional/Country Requirements- Some coupons require that they be redeemed in specific regions or countries. Please redeem the code in the appropriate region/country.

Age Requirements - Some coupons have age restrictions due to sensitive content. Please check that your NVIDIA Account meets the age requirement.
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I already own the game that I’ve received a game code for.
In most cases, a game code can only be redeemed against an account that does not already own the game. If you already own the game, you will not be granted a second copy.
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So not sure how far along they are into restricting this in a way to stop selling the keys.
Cheers
 
CSI_PC said:
I just went back and checked.
Seems the codes must be used with the same model when Nvidia combines them in bundle but also hints of it being more restrictive, so still does not really stop miners although restricts more the game codes viability in that scenario.
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/so..._bundles_will_now_be_linked_to_bundled_gpus/1
https://rewardsportal.nvidia.com/en-gb/redemption-faq#gfe


So not sure how far along they are into restricting this in a way to stop selling the keys.
Cheers
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I dont think it stops people if they have to use 1 card in a desktop with Windows just to redeem 20 codes for their mining cards. Same with AMD and their verification tool.

And you can always just show them the invoice or something.
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Well, that settles it then. There is no way that I'm paying $500 for a Vega 56 when a 1080 is at the same price point. Is AMD marketing just a petri dish for experimenting on how many different ways they can fail?
 
jbc029 said:
Well, that settles it then. There is no way that I'm paying $500 for a Vega 56 when a 1080 is at the same price point. Is AMD marketing just a petri dish for experimenting on how many different ways they can fail?
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Just wait for the launch of the 56. If you can click Buy It Now fast enough you can get one for $399. :)
 
I swear there was a Vega 64 for $499 on Newegg for a bit on Monday... I'd actually buy it @ $499 and run it with the power saver profile. I just like Freesync more than G-Sync. But @ $599 I might as well just get a 1080.
 
Gigabyte non reference gtx 1070 $429
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...4125875&cm_re=gtx_1070-_-14-125-875-_-Product

Gigabyte non reference gtx1080 $509
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...4125936&cm_re=gtx_1080-_-14-125-936-_-Product


Both Vega 56 and 64 cards need to beat these prices or they are DOA.

There is also 2 water cooled gtx1080's , one for a water loop with a full cover block and one with a AIO cooler for $569 AR
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...2&cm_re=gtx_1080-_-14-127-952-_-Product#close
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...4127942&cm_re=gtx_1080-_-14-127-942-_-Product


In other news for mid range buyers you can buy a gtx1060 6gb for $269
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...4125901&cm_re=gtx_1060-_-14-125-901-_-Product

vs $379 for rx 580
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...B1520&cm_re=rx_580-_-1FT-000B-000D6-_-Product

If this is Nvidia's competition ,I can see why they don't need Volta gaming gpu's yet.
 
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CSI_PC said:
I just went back and checked.
Seems the codes must be used with the same model when Nvidia combines them in bundle but also hints of it being more restrictive, so still does not really stop miners although restricts more the game codes viability in that scenario.
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/so..._bundles_will_now_be_linked_to_bundled_gpus/1
https://rewardsportal.nvidia.com/en-gb/redemption-faq#gfe


So not sure how far along they are into restricting this in a way to stop selling the keys.
Cheers
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When I got a free game with my 1080 ti (pre-order on nvidia's site so some months ago), I sold it to someone with a laptop packing a mobile gtx 1060. It worked - he just logged into Geforce Experience (and uplay since it was a Ubisoft game) and used the code. It doesn't appear to be tied to the card model but rather to the series of cards (people with Maxwell aren't able to use the codes we get with Pascal cards, apparently).
 
NeonFlak said:
I swear there was a Vega 64 for $499 on Newegg for a bit on Monday... I'd actually buy it @ $499 and run it with the power saver profile. I just like Freesync more than G-Sync. But @ $599 I might as well just get a 1080.
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There was a MSI black reference model RX Vega 64 available for a bit at $499, but then it went away...
 
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