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computer build for a friend e4600 proc?!?! (help wanted)

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Intel Core 2 Duo e4600 2.4gHz 2MB Cache $135
Asus P5N-E Sli S775 650i C2D DDR2 GBlan 6-ch audio $134
OZC ReaperX 2X2gb PC8000 DDR2 1000MHz $130
PNY Verto 9600 gt 512 mb $169
Thermaltake Bach VX mid tower $124 (open for change)
OCZ StealthXStream 600W $ 84 (has to be sli)


Hey guys I met this guy on xbox live and we got talking about computers. Well I told him about this site and told about how awesome you guys are and how you could help him out with his build. So he cheked it out and made an account, but is waiting for his account to be activated. So I told him I would start this thread for him till it was up. Anyways this is his build he got from a pc store in canada. So I was wondering what you guys thought about it and if you can modify it for performance. Also if you had some good canandian online stores. His price limit is about a grand and he will be using it for gaming and as a main computer. He wants to overclock it and has a heatsink and is buying a hard drive and optical drive for 90$ and an os for 139$ vista premium. So a little under a grand so that those fit the price range.

He will be posting as lucaslessandis.


Thanks guys you are awesome as always and thanks for the advise.
 
the e7200 is about the same price, but has more ghz, and more cache. You should get a p35 instead of a 650i mobo, also. Everything else looks good.... Unless you're intending on SLI.
 
Ok well does he have a 24" monitor? If not, ditch SLI altogether. Good quote on SLI:

Markyip1 said:
Just some info on SLI / Crossfire: It's absolutely not worth considering if a) you're gaming at a resolution under 1920x1200 (as you'll see no performance benefit over a single card,) and b) if you plan to buy one card now and another later. SLI / Crossfire as an upgrade path is usually a very poor idea, as by the time you're ready to get that second card, a new single card solution will likely be available that will outperform two of your older cards in tandem. Furthermore, there really is no cost benefit to the SLI Upgrade Route, as any additional cost in getting the new card can be easily mitigated in most situations by selling the original. By avoiding an SLI / Crossfire solution when it will not be of benefit, you gain a cooler running, simpler to maintain system and more importantly, access to a much better (and broader) selection of motherboards.
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As such, I recommend getting motherboard based on the more stable P35 chipset. You should be able to find these mobos in Canada somewhere:
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3L Intel P35 Motherboard - $90
MSI P35 Neo2-FR Intel P35 Motherboard - $110
DFI BloodIron P35-T2RL Intel P35 Motherboard - $110
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3R Intel P35 Motherboard - $120
DFI LanParty DK P35-T2RS Intel P35 Motherboard - $130
Asus P5K-E Intel P35 Motherboard - $140
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3P Intel P35 Motherboard - $150
Asus P5K-E/Wifi-AP Intel P35 Motherboard - $150
Abit IP35 Pro Intel P35 Motherboard - $170
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS4 Intel P35 Motherboard - $170
Gigabyte GA-EX38-DS4 Intel X38 Motherboard - $207

Just to help you out: If you don't need RAID, more than 4 SATA ports and only need semi-decent overclocking, check out the DS3L. If you need 5 SATA ports, 2 eSATA ports, slightly better overclocking, and a second PCI-E x16 port, then get the Neo2-Fr. If you want heavy overclocking options and six SATA ports, check out the Blood Iron. If you like the BloodIron but want significantly better overclock stability and options, go for the LanParty. If you want 8 SATA ports, RAID, legacy ports and high overclocks and optional eSATA, than the DS3R is a good choice. If you want the DS3R but need Firewire and a second PCI-E x16 port, then go for the DS3P. If you like the DS3P but need 3 PCI slots instead of the DS3P's 2 PCI slots and like having non-optional eSATA, go for the Asus P5K-E. If you like the P5K-E but need wifi, then go for the P5K-E/Wifi-AP. If you want something that can overclock pretty damn high along with RAID, eSATA ports and firewire connections, than the IP35 Pro. If you like the DS3P but want better cooling for overclocking, then go for the DS4. Do note that the Asus website can be slow sometimes.

Drop the StealthXStream PSU. It's based off the FSP Episilon PSU design which has out of spec ripple, or voltage fluctuations, at high loads that can damage or kill your system. Granted, you may not reach such high loads but why pay for PSU that can kill your system?

So go for a Corsair PSU. The 450VX should be enough if he's not going SLI.

Drop the E4600 as well and get the E7200. The E7200 performs better than the E4600 and should be around the same price.

And finally, where is he buying all this from?
 
he is looking at robotnik, green lyph. His is in canada, and is looking at stores around there.
 
well the major reason i wanted SLI is to be able to have performance but be able to buy up to that performance. A nice 8800 cost $300+ where as the 9600 is 169. Like what is so bad with SLI'ing that i shouldn't go with that.
 
LucasLessardis said:
Like what is so bad with SLI'ing that i shouldn't go with that.
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Read the quote I had in my first post. That quote covers most of the reason why you should not go with a SLI setup. In addition, Nvidia's chipsets for Intel motherboards aren't as stable, reliable or cooler running as their Intel counterparts. There are stable SLI motherboards out there but you'll will have to spend quite a bit of money for those stable SLI motherboards.

So no, I do not recommend going with a SLI setup. Read the quote I had in my first post to see why.

Oh you might want to check out these other Canadian e-Tailers:
Places to Buy - in Canada
Canada Computers
DirectCanada
Infonec Computers
NCIX (Canada site)
Shopbot.ca -- Bargain hunting site for Canadian buyers
Tiger Direct (Canada site)
 
I heard NCIX is the newegg of Canada. Anyhow, I agree with Danny. Ditch that motherboard, whether you want SLI or not, ditch that PSU, and ditch that RAM.

SLI isn't worth it if you don't have a huge monitor -- you'll see minute improvements for more than double the cost. Read Danny's quote of MarkYip for more explanation. P35 boards are much more reliable and are less of a headache to deal with than NVIDIA chipset boards.

You don't need DDR2-1000 for an E7200, and here's why:
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Formulas for Intel platform @ 1:1 settings: (base FSB speed is SDR, or single data rate)
c × [Base FSB speed] = CPU Clock speed (c = CPU Multiplier)
2 × [Base FSB speed] = RAM speed (DDR: double data rate)
4 × [Base FSB speed] = Effective FSB speed (QDR: quad data rate)

On Intel platforms, running the RAM higher than a 1:1 ratio with the CPU is, for the most part, useless, so don't bother trying to do so. If the BIOS does it for you, just let it. All you need is a 1:1 config, though. Here's some possible clock speeds (as always with OC'ing, your results will vary):

E7200: 9.5 × 266 = 2.5Ghz, DDR2-533 << STOCK
E7200: 9.5 × 333 = 3.2Ghz, DDR2-667 << Good OC
E7200: 9.5 × 366 = 3.5Ghz, DDR2-800 << Great OC
E7200: 9.5 × 400 = 3.8Ghz, DDR2-800 << Nearly impossible OC

You won't notice a difference between CL4 and CL5, unless you're running benchmarks (and even then, the difference is negligible), so don't pay a huge price premium for lower latency.
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Any Corsair PSU is better than that OCZ PSU, simply because they're of much better quality than the StealthXtream.
 
Ok I looked into it there is a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P for $163
So if the RAM speed high what do you suggest as far as brand and speed
The best sites for my availability is greenlyph.com robotnik.com and mysterybyte.com
 
If you had read what Enginurd posted, you would've seen that all you need is DDR2 800 RAM. ANY DDR2 800 RAM will do. As for brands, G.Skill, Crucial, Corsair, A-Data, Patriot, etc are all good choices.
 
If you don't need Firewire, save your money and go for either the DS3R, DS3L, or the Neo2-FR. You can't order from NCIX? :confused:
 
E3110 - http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=28910
DFI DK P35 T2RS - http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=27638
GSkill 2x2GB DDR2 800- http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=29575&promoid=1008
Silverstone Element 500W 80+ rated PSU- http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=20944
Galaxy 8800GT - http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26783&vpn=88YFF6HUFEXV&manufacture=Galaxy Technology
Antec 900 - http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=21123&promoid=1008

$814.91 after rebate, without shipping.
$889.91 before rebate, without shipping.

Sell the card off for profit if possible, once the 4870's/Nvidia 280's come out. Buy ONE of the high end cards that perform the best at that time.
 
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