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Current, X570, 5900X, 64gig, 3070. Usage, web, minor work, tiny llm, some gaming at 1440. I am craving my next upgrade but unless AMD comes out with another CPU better than what they have I just don't think it is worth the investment at this time. I like my PC, but it doesn't make me a living or I would just stay on the upgrade cycle. I would rather the GPU market settle for the 5 series and buy a used 4 series card. Do you think they are going to do any more with the 9xxx series or come out with anything significantly faster?
 
What you see is what you get in terms of high performance CPUs from AMD. It's highly unlikely a dual v-cache CPU will come out and adding more cores will be a redesign of the CPU, which means different generation. The only question is whether the next generation will be on AM5 or a new socket. Most people think it will be on AM5 still.
 
Our 7900x3d feeds a 4080 for 4k gaming a lot better than our 5900x upstairs does.
 
I have a 5900X, Dark Hero, and 32GB C14 B-Die. It does about 23,650 in R23 with PBO.

It is slow compared to my 9900X.

But its still a good CPU. Now its like Zen 2 I guess..
 
narsbars said:
Current, X570, 5900X, 64gig, 3070. Usage, web, minor work, tiny llm, some gaming at 1440. I am craving my next upgrade but unless AMD comes out with another CPU better than what they have I just don't think it is worth the investment at this time. I like my PC, but it doesn't make me a living or I would just stay on the upgrade cycle. I would rather the GPU market settle for the 5 series and buy a used 4 series card. Do you think they are going to do any more with the 9xxx series or come out with anything significantly faster?
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I suspect the next next iteration of AMD and Intel CPUs will push me towards an upgrade. Why?

One possible reason would be more io and gen 5 pcie for faster ssd drives. I think AMD having the 512 bit avx512 bus this generation will lead to really good uplift on process improvement.

Also, possibly high core ccd counts might be coming.

A 24 core simd cpu with 256gb ddr5 ram and insanely fast 8tb ssd drive gives you access to a LOT of computing capacity. I would consider that upgrade.

Current rig is 5950x, 128gb, 4tb wd black ssd, 2x 3090 gpus and 4 4tb ssd drives. It handles whatever i need atm. Only a few of my workloads make me want more, but those are annoying for sure.
 
You are always free to upgrade just because. I'm not going to pretend that you'll see any subjective improvement against your 5900X, though, given what your usage sounds like. In fact, you almost certainly won't.

Splurge on a 21 year old Springbank instead, for instance.
 
I can't wait to upgrade from my 5900X rig. I like to upgrade when my current rig starts to show it's age, then it'll be a worthwhile upgrade.
 
I went from a 5900X to a 9900X. I had my 5900X boosting to 5150, max effective was about 4750MHz. I upgraded to a 9900X, and it boosts to 5850MHz, 5650 average effective.. Its still an ok CPU, but in 2025 it is slow in everything in comparison.
 
freeagentt said:
I went from a 5900X to a 9900X. I had my 5900X boosting to 5150, max effective was about 4750MHz. I upgraded to a 9900X, and it boosts to 5850MHz, 5650 average effective.. Its still an ok CPU, but in 2025 it is slow in everything in comparison.
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Agreed, I just like the rush of a new piece of hardware that makes me get rush. Nothing seems that much faster.
 
narsbars said:
Current, X570, 5900X, 64gig, 3070. Usage, web, minor work, tiny llm, some gaming at 1440. I am craving my next upgrade but unless AMD comes out with another CPU better than what they have I just don't think it is worth the investment at this time. I like my PC, but it doesn't make me a living or I would just stay on the upgrade cycle. I would rather the GPU market settle for the 5 series and buy a used 4 series card. Do you think they are going to do any more with the 9xxx series or come out with anything significantly faster?
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The X3D chips are a pretty big boost from non-x3d in games and are now zero compromise in MT tasks vs. their non x3d counterparts. Totally depends on what you do gaming wise whether cpu or gpu will be a better upgrade there, but based on your usage I really don't see any need.
 
Another 5900X user chiming in. For the last 2 and a half years I've been using this system/CPU it's done most everything I've asked it to satisfactorily once an RTX GPU was installed, including some video encoding and upscaling tasks. As for gaming, unlike some I have no qualms busting out a gamepad and framerate capping at either 30/60fps and upscale as necessary if it's a console port.

While MOAR is always great, I am fine with where my PC is at the moment. I have bigger fish to fry rather than upgrading to an AM5/9900X build I don't have money for anyways.
 
Mr. Bluntman said:
Another 5900X user chiming in. For the last 2 and a half years I've been using this system/CPU it's done most everything I've asked it to satisfactorily once an RTX GPU was installed, including some video encoding and upscaling tasks. As for gaming, unlike some I have no qualms busting out a gamepad and framerate capping at either 30/60fps and upscale as necessary if it's a console port.

While MOAR is always great, I am fine with where my PC is at the moment. I have bigger fish to fry rather than upgrading to an AM5/9900X build I don't have money for anyways.
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Im pretty similar boat except 5950x (i could afford most anything but it's opportunity cost i don't want to pay).

The reality is until there's a bump in core count or io or better memory controller, i am holding tight. Honestly hoping Intel can role out a great cpu in the next couple of years so i can pack in 256gb ram.
 
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My upgrade funds were instantly depleted this past Saturday
 
My 5900X still has lots of life too, and will live on in my sons rig. My other son has my 5800X3D. Zen 5 is fast as fuck boi. This has been my hobby for a couple of decades, I don't mind buying new hardware every few years.
 
applegrcoug said:
I do too...but then I need new ram and time to swap it and....and well, my 5950x is still just fine...i can get 60fps in flight sim
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60fps works for me. I have an old 4K unit display capped at 60fps but I have found if you can get a consistent fps without a lot of dips the output is still great.
 
It's a fine chip, I am still using the 5900X myself, but the newer stuff is definitely faster. My goal was to wait for Zen 6 and hope they up the core count per CCX from 8 to 12. I'd love to get a single CCD 12-core to replace my 5900X as the binning on mine is pretty decent for the 1st CCD, but total horseshit on the 2nd CCD.
 
a 24 core with 3d cache on both ccds and being able to run 4 ram sticks at full speed i would pay 1k for that cpu. Today.
 
freeagentt said:
I was going to wait till Zen 6 too.. but there is always something new around the corner..
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I am not interested is waiting for what's always new but in what moves the needle in terms of things i use a computer for. Crazy high core count lets me try crazier ideas and worry less about efficiency in my code. Yeah, I am on of those devs.
 
Not to nitpick (or take this as negative) toward the OP.. but you posted something similar back just a few months ago at the end of December about the same subject..

Sounds like you possibly have some $$ burning a hole in your pocket... You don't need a forums justification on what to buy.. if you want some new shit... buy it (sell off the old stuff to recoup some of the investment cost).... if you don't think you need/want it.. don't buy.. It's as simple as that... :D
 
Generally speaking, the average PC user base is running much less than your 5900x. If that matters.

That is, you're likely comparing to the top 10 percent (or fewer) with regards to "keeping up with the Jonses". The problem, is that "keeping up" is always problematic. Once you "get there", the Joneses have moved on to the "next big thing".

Up to you.

Aside:

Btw, just for those with gobs of disposable money, I've been there and just like a "gamblers addiction", you can influence those that must "keep up" (or be better) to the point of exploiting their addictive weakness. That might bother some. Perhaps "open boasting" of your "king setup"... maybe keep that quiet?? Again, I've seen this cause problems for those addicted to living way beyond their means. To the point of poor people upgrading multiple times even in a single year... affecting not only their bank accounts and debt, but their relationships, etc. While you can say "that's their problem", it could be someone close to you that you actually care about (talking outside of [H]).
 
cjcox said:
Generally speaking, the average PC user base is running much less than your 5900x. If that matters.

That is, you're likely comparing to the top 10 percent (or fewer) with regards to "keeping up with the Jonses". The problem, is that "keeping up" is always problematic. Once you "get there", the Joneses have moved on to the "next big thing".

Up to you.

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Btw, just for those with gobs of disposable money, I've been there and just like a "gamblers addiction", you can influence those that must "keep up" (or be better) to the point of exploiting their addictive weakness. That might bother some. Perhaps "open boasting" of your "king setup"... maybe keep that quiet?? Again, I've seen this cause problems for those addicted to living way beyond their means. To the point of poor people upgrading multiple times even in a single year... affecting not only their bank accounts and debt, but their relationships, etc. While you can say "that's their problem", it could be someone close to you that you actually care about (talking outside of [H]).
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True, but the average PC user base is running excel, word and chrome
 
narsbars said:
Current, X570, 5900X, 64gig, 3070. Usage, web, minor work, tiny llm, some gaming at 1440. I am craving my next upgrade but unless AMD comes out with another CPU better than what they have I just don't think it is worth the investment at this time. I like my PC, but it doesn't make me a living or I would just stay on the upgrade cycle. I would rather the GPU market settle for the 5 series and buy a used 4 series card. Do you think they are going to do any more with the 9xxx series or come out with anything significantly faster?
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I have a feeling you want a 9800x3d.
 
When Zen 3 came out I started with a 5600X, couldnt get a GPU, so I bought a 5900X, got a GPU then got a 58X3D when it came out lol.. I have 2 kids that got sick of taking turns so I built myself a new one. Other than that I would still be swapping back and forth between 5900X and 58X3D every couple of weeks on my Crosshair DarkHerpes, with 4x8 C14 B-Die. What I like about my new board is that I can have 4x NVME on my board and you cant see any of them lol.. but you can see the one in the bottom slot on an adapter.

What is average now a days? My last build was almost 5 years old..
 
Do you have any interest in Stalker2? Because that would be your justification right there.

There isn't a CPU on the market today that can manage a 60fps minimum...

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Do you have any interest in Stalker2? Because that would be your justification right there.

There isn't a CPU on the market today that can manage a 60fps minimum...

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You have to provide context instead of "graph without any context". Game makers don't look forward to spending millions of dollars making a game that runs like crap. If (using a contextless assumption based on pretty graph) Stalker 2 runs like crap, then no, nobody is going to want Stalker 2. Nobody.
 
cjcox said:
You have to provide context instead of "graph without any context". Game makers don't look forward to spending millions of dollars making a game that runs like crap. If (using a contextless assumption based on pretty graph) Stalker 2 runs like crap, then no, nobody is going to want Stalker 2. Nobody.
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The game is extremely hard on the CPU, but it is well worth it.
 
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