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CD Trimmer?

There is no advantage. There is absolutely nothing you can do to a CD to make it sound any better. Demagnetization doesn't work. Marking the edges with a green marker doesn't work. Trimming the protective layers doesn't work.
 
This is audiophile voodoo. I swear, some of the dumbest people on earth are audiophiles who fall for this pile of neutered bovine dung. Someone bring back the test that was done here on the [H] using ultra expensive monster cable and your ordinary coat hanger as a means of speaker wire and read the results.
 
Methadras said:
This is audiophile voodoo. I swear, some of the dumbest people on earth are audiophiles who fall for this pile of neutered bovine dung.
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QFT. High end audiophiles can exhibit a truly mindblowing lack of common sense and critical thinking skills at times.
 
that's just one case of audiophile esoterics. they are more zealous than any religous fanatic in many cases. imagine, you already have an audio setup that costs 50 grands or more. what else can you do if you're on your eternal quest for the perfect sound? buy this kind of crap and believe it works.

the best story i've ever read in a forum was like this:

- snake oil vendor wants to advertise their multi-thousand dollar power cable (a fookin power cable!) and makes a contest where a few people could win one
- someone wins it and tells everyone how awesome it is
- cat ruins the cable
- person decides to open the cable since it's already ruined
- inside: 2 cheapo superthin cables (that's a firehazard, too thin), no grounding, attached to crappy plug, to make it more massive they put a garden waterhose over it and filled it with sand. fancy plastic wrap around it and that's it. someone calculated 20 bucks to build it yourself
- the guy who opened the cable posted that on the forums with pics and there were still plenty of people who said "i don't care what kind of junk it consists of if it makes my setup sound so much better. proof? my ears!".

or the 7250 dollar per 12ft audio cable where some reviewer found them "very dancable" and whatnot (link).

james randi added audiophile BS to the list of paranormal things that are eligible to win the 1m dollar price of his foundation if anyone can show a paranormal phenomenon under scientific observation (now including hearing the difference between insanely priced audio cables and standard ones in a double-blind test).

pity i didnt save the links to all those audiophile reviews that are just ridiculous. can't belive people still believe in magic in the 21st century.
 
rls669 said:
QFT. High end audiophiles can exhibit a truly mindblowing lack of common sense and critical thinking skills at times.
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I know audiophiles who are scientifically minded professionals and some are my fellow engineers, but when you talk to them about their irrational obsession with hearing every pop, whistle, click, and crackle of audio reproduction, their eyes roll into the back of their heads like they just shot a speedball and they drool on themselves in near orgasmic fashion. When you listen to their pablum about frequency responses, acoustic isolations, vibration dampening and within the context of spending tens of thousands of dollars if not more, I just stand there and ask them if they can also tie their own shoes because they just unloaded a bunch of flim-flam for little to no benefit on their return at all.

As a matter of a fact, I've actually told them that they could get the same results for a fraction of the cost in terms of equipment, they just look at me and scoff and poo-poo me as a mere serf to their audio-aristocracy, but in reality you can see the mental anguish of the realization that I am right while they pissed away all that money for the sake of audio clarity. Fools.
 
I wonder if it helps with those disks that tend to vibrate in a 52x drive? I usually assume it is due to paint/labels, but I suppose they could be a bit out of concentric due to cheap manufacturing tolerances. In cases where it has really offended me, ripping and burning onto new media has solved the problem - for a lot cheaper, unless you factor the cost of time spent flipping disks.

Still, it has me wondering about a DIY rig to center and balance an entire 100-spindle at a time :D
 
Living Weapon said:
I wonder if it helps with those disks that tend to vibrate in a 52x drive? I usually assume it is due to paint/labels, but I suppose they could be a bit out of concentric due to cheap manufacturing tolerances. In cases where it has really offended me, ripping and burning onto new media has solved the problem - for a lot cheaper, unless you factor the cost of time spent flipping disks.

Still, it has me wondering about a DIY rig to center and balance an entire 100-spindle at a time :D
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Actually... if a CD is imbalanced due to uneven paint/label application, shaving excess weight from the outer edge of the CD would make the vibration worse.
 
What audiophilia is true is that $200 studio monitors sound better than $50 pieces of plastic shit from Creative Labs.

This here though makes me want to get into the snakeoil business and make money - the guys who really multibox World of Warcraft? I think some of them are capitalizing on stuff like this, and I feel like joining in the fun. Build it and they will come/buy it.
 
I've always wondered. Can you cut out unwritten portion of cds? Like if you only wrote data to half the radius of the cd, would it fall apart in the drive if you cut out the outter edge? Cause I've noticed writtable CD/DVD are pretty easy to peal apart once you get one corner loose. Maybe super glue the edge.
 
MrLonghair said:
What audiophilia is true is that $200 studio monitors sound better than $50 pieces of plastic shit from Creative Labs.

This here though makes me want to get into the snakeoil business and make money - the guys who really multibox World of Warcraft? I think some of them are capitalizing on stuff like this, and I feel like joining in the fun. Build it and they will come/buy it.
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you have no idea

i love music, and audio, most of my equipment and cables i have designed and built myself with really nice components (mind you not expensive "omg supar magical!" components) and whenever i take my equipment to headfi meets people are blown away by how it sounds for 1/10 to 1/100th the price of similar equipment....

things like really nice wire are not expensive... but dont tell them that... i just had a huge forum war with some idiot claiming that a $5000 USB cable(!!!) would make your USB DAC sound soooo much better... becuase apparantly the 1's and 0's will get there happier or something lol
 
pauldriver said:
Oh my, check out this amazing product, at only $399!

http://www.ultrasystem.com/usfeaturedQuantumPlug.html

Can you say "Liberating Excessive Cash from Idiots" if not, this product may be for you!!
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The best location for the HiFi-Tuning Quantum Plug is on an unused outlet in the AC line filter or

distribution strip for your A/V equipment. For best results insert the Quantum plug in an
available AC outlet. The full effect will develop in 30-60 minutes.
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Yeah, or as soon as the heroin takes effect.:)
 
FLECOM said:
you have no idea

i love music, and audio, most of my equipment and cables i have designed and built myself with really nice components (mind you not expensive "omg supar magical!" components) and whenever i take my equipment to headfi meets people are blown away by how it sounds for 1/10 to 1/100th the price of similar equipment....

things like really nice wire are not expensive... but dont tell them that... i just had a huge forum war with some idiot claiming that a $5000 USB cable(!!!) would make your USB DAC sound soooo much better... becuase apparantly the 1's and 0's will get there happier or something lol
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QFT! I just built myself a fairly nice 2.1 setup for music and an audiophile friend of mine told me that "It was terrible because I wasn't using expensive cables"
 
Uberbob102000 said:
QFT! I just built myself a fairly nice 2.1 setup for music and an audiophile friend of mine told me that "It was terrible because I wasn't using expensive cables"
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QQFT. I build most of my own cables or buy them from the Bluejeans guys who use the same parts but save me the time.

If Belden and Canare is good enough for a $50m broadcast studio it's good enough for me. People spend stupid cash on total snake oil.
 
mjz_5 said:
it's like people who buy 800 dollar monster power outlet bars
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Well, I do have a power conditioner. But it's not from Monster. When I bought it I lived in a really old house in an area with really old, very nasty power service. Now I guess I could get rid of it now that I don't live in such a place. But it makes a great power strip and displays the curren draw on the front. Wheeeee.

FWIW: it's an exact power EP15a and in my case it did wonders at the time I purchased it. Very obvious wonders with analog video and audio that was mangled by poor, noisy power.
 
I don't buy into this cd lathe but I do use those special rocks you put on top of your cables. ;)
 
Living Weapon said:
I wonder if it helps with those disks that tend to vibrate in a 52x drive?
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An audio CD only has to spin at a maximum of 500 RPM. 52x corresponds to a maximum RPM of 10,350 RPM. Big difference ;)

Vibration isn't an issue anyway. If a CD can be read, even with error correction, it'll be played correctly. It's entirely possible to rip an audio CD at 52x speeds and get the same track CRCs you'd see at 1x -- the actual track CRCs.
 
It also comes with a black magic marker that you can use to draw lines around the outside of the disk to help reduce light scattering through the polycarbonate and therefore jitter....

Right.

While the CD lathe is useless for audio playback, it might actually be useful for high-speed burning. Note: MIGHT. By making the disk rounder (and therefore more balanced) your CD/DVD drive might be able to have a low jitter rate while burning. That improves readback quality. However, I would imagine that the difference would be exceptionally small, and that it is more worthwhile to buy high quality media (Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim, TDK, especially TY) over the long term than $900 on a trimmer.
 
In defence of an audio nut I know - his setup does sound un-believable, and it proves that analogue sound doesn't just sound a bit better than digital, they're worlds apart.
Impossible to explain, you have to hear it to believe it really, plus you have to be listening to vinyl. CD's just wont cut it. 44.1Khz audio is gonna sound like exactly that no matter what you play it through.
However, stick a Vinyl through it and the sound is simply stunning.
His defnse is this; he didn't spend ludicroud amounts of money, he built his speakers himself, has a rather nice turn table, and two silver rapped transisters meaning he doesn't need pre-amps and all that bollocks. He just sends the audio straight from his turn table to his speakers. He's an audio professor.
Digital audio IS flat. There's no two ways around it.
At the same time though, I also know some other audiophiles and they're nuts, imo.
 
OAB said:
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While the CD lathe is useless for audio playback, it might actually be useful for high-speed burning. Note: MIGHT.
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It might save wear on the drive as well -- same principle as getting the wheels balanced on your car. Of course with the lathe at $900 the cost/benefit ratio is still probably nil.
 
Methadras said:
This is audiophile voodoo. I swear, some of the dumbest people on earth are audiophiles who fall for this pile of neutered bovine dung. Someone bring back the test that was done here on the [H] using ultra expensive monster cable and your ordinary coat hanger as a means of speaker wire and read the results.
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Wrong. Audiophiles are people who know and care about audio. I am greatly insulted in your lumping us together in with asshats who just have too much money.

People who buy Monster cables are not audiophiles, they're idiots who have more money than brains.
 
ianken said:
Probably goping head to head with these guys:

http://www.machinadynamica.com/index.html

Warning: retarded audiophiles with more cash than brains should not click on that link.
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Please tell me that is a joke site. They are kidding...right? I mean taping pebbles to a cable is going to make things sound better? Or putting the "Clever little clock" in a room will make a video clearer? I guess there's a reason why that Nigerian business man is still sending out emails. There are people who are dumb as mud who respond and there are people who will buy pebbles, for $159, to make audio just that much better.
 
Christ. Some people just don't understand the difference between digital and analog. It's become so common for companies to rip people off on this shit... like HDMI cables.
 
Meocene said:
In defence of an audio nut I know - his setup does sound un-believable, and it proves that analogue sound doesn't just sound a bit better than digital, they're worlds apart.
Impossible to explain, you have to hear it to believe it really, plus you have to be listening to vinyl. CD's just wont cut it. 44.1Khz audio is gonna sound like exactly that no matter what you play it through.
However, stick a Vinyl through it and the sound is simply stunning.
His defnse is this; he didn't spend ludicroud amounts of money, he built his speakers himself, has a rather nice turn table, and two silver rapped transisters meaning he doesn't need pre-amps and all that bollocks. He just sends the audio straight from his turn table to his speakers. He's an audio professor.
Digital audio IS flat. There's no two ways around it.
At the same time though, I also know some other audiophiles and they're nuts, imo.
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IF analog really sounds bettern then it's not related to the 44.1 khz range of a cd. 44.1 khz equals a frequency range of 22.05 khz and no adult hears higher frequencies than that. i am 28 and i can still hear 20 khz (which for many adults is not the case at that age), but it is so silent i wouldnt notice that sound.

what could be a reason is the 16 bit resolution (aliasing). but then let's compare it to the limitations of analog. that format is limited by the fact that the needle has a limited resolution as well. it just doesn't have an infinitely small head to really read all information. i havent looked, but it would be interesting to see a study about how much data a good setup can actually read from analog media. i know there are turntables that use lasers nowadays. there is also no error correction on analog. every vibration that the turntable is exposed to affects your sound. the discs are fookin huge. etc

and the two most important criteria for me why i find digital superior to analog: a) you don't need the super uber master pressing to get audiophile sound because the copy of a copy sounds like crap. and b) you don't need to spend a crapload of money on a high end setup to be able to read as much as possible from analog media. a 10 bucks cd rom drive reads cds perfectly. i know what i get from digital. i can just guess that for analog.
 
That thing is pointless for the intended use, but some people do get normal CDs cut down in size in order to make their own VideoNow blanks. The official blanks are around $1 each for the special 8cm sized discs it uses (unless you chop it up to accept standard 12cm discs).
 
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