Can Circuit City Techs Legally Peruse Your Files?

kumquat said:
It takes literally two seconds to do Windows key+F, avi, enter.

Probably less time than actually pulling the trunk lever.
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So then when I see a car in a parking lot, and I break the side window and search the car for valuables, it's really the car owners fault for tempting me with windows that I could break at least as quickly as a mechanic opening the trunk?

Is it ok to look in your neighbors window to see if he/she is naked? I mean if they didn't want you to watch, they would have turned off the light or at least made sure that narrow gap in teh curtains wasn't there.

It doesn't matter if they're subject to temptation, it's still wrong and should be illegal. Is evidence gathered in the commission of a crime is admissible? I don't know. In this case, the appeals court apparently didn't know that techs routinely search for porn on HD's to add to their personal collections.
 
mustang_steve said:
We are talking about doctors and lawyers, it's their JOB to make sure this stuff does not leak.

If you are one of the above, I highly suggest you learn about this, now. Encryption is incredibly simple, a passworded RAR is one example of an encrypted file (RC4 cryptosystem if I'm not mistaken).

Nothing is laughable about being responsible, and ignorance is no excuse, especially for the situation I responded to which was about a professional with sensitive client data.
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...and to add, for average joe, they sure as hell know about USB flash drives by now. Cheap and reliable storage for their e-filed tax returns, scanned documents and whatnot.

Hard drives are great GENERAL storage, but is not a one box does it all. Do we throw our tax records in teh same box we throw our magazines, playboys and CDs into....hell no, we put them in a file box. Same thing goes with documents....a place for everything, and everything in it's place.

I just think it's sad that there's not enough education on this, and that it needs to be addressed here. People aren't half as stupid as we act like they are...lazy, yes...stupid, hell no. Most people just don't WANT to use removable storage, that's it.
 
I don't know if I should chime in or not.

First off, I'm a Firedog Technician at a Circuit City. I'm over qualified, and know that it's not a good job; I've done better financially on my own, and I've worked for better companies in the past doing more technical work. But, the hours are flexible, and I can get the Bachelor's degree that kept me under a glass ceiling in the multi-billion dollar companies I was a tech for. It's steady money that pays the rent, and nothing more.


I routinely search for files on customer computers when they bring them in for something that could damage their drive or OS install.

One of the first steps for a data migration for me is to find out where the hell they keep their files. I run a program that shows me things like space used/allocated per folder. So, if I see a huge my Documents folder, I know to back it up.

I've run across porn many times. I just don't care to look. I don't want to know what gets these people off. One guy said "I just use my computer for email and porn...save my porn". I laughed and said "ok".

Technically, we're supposed to only use details view when navigating their hard drive, for what it's worth.
 
Incidentally (since I can't edit), if someone comes in for an installation of something, for example, a DVD burner, searching for files on the drive is not really relevant to the fix.

If someone gets a new DVD, I pop in a CD and see if it works. Burning is an assumed functionality. If software has to be installed for burning DVDs, then I'll grab something off the desktop, burn it, and destroy the CD later (or give it to them).

While I'm all for this guy being busted, looking for video files & codecs to test something unrelated is just shitty tech work. I don't need to go look for videos to test out that new stick of RAM I put in a guy's computer.
 
nilepez said:
So then when I see a car in a parking lot, and I break the side window and search the car for valuables, it's really the car owners fault for tempting me with windows that I could break at least as quickly as a mechanic opening the trunk?

Is it ok to look in your neighbors window to see if he/she is naked? I mean if they didn't want you to watch, they would have turned off the light or at least made sure that narrow gap in teh curtains wasn't there.

It doesn't matter if they're subject to temptation, it's still wrong and should be illegal. Is evidence gathered in the commission of a crime is admissible? I don't know. In this case, the appeals court apparently didn't know that techs routinely search for porn on HD's to add to their personal collections.
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That is blowing it out of proportion...way out of proportion. Not only that, but they have NO relations to the original issue at discussion. Breaking into someones car and stealing valuables is completely different than seeing child porn on a computer and reporting them to the police. Are you so stupid to compare these to reporting child porn to the authorities?

Has anyone even checked Circuit City's repair policy?

Circuit City said:
8. Confidentiality of Information. You acknowledge and agree that in the course of providing Services, the Professional may access files, information and/or other data on Your computer(s) or other product(s). Professional(s) agrees to use reasonable efforts to keep any and all personal data and information on Your computer(s) confidential; however, You acknowledge and agree that neither Circuit City nor the Professional(s) warrant or otherwise guarantee the confidentiality of any such personal data and information on Your computer(s) or other product(s). Further, You acknowledge and agree to the disclosure of information where such disclosure is required in order for Circuit City to comply with valid legal processes (e.g.,: subpoenas, warrants), or when Circuit City believes in good faith that the disclosure is required to prevent harm or injury (e.g.: product recalls, fraud, or other events), or as otherwise required by law.
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mustang_steve said:
We are talking about doctors and lawyers, it's their JOB to make sure this stuff does not leak.

If you are one of the above, I highly suggest you learn about this, now. Encryption is incredibly simple, a passworded RAR is one example of an encrypted file (RC4 cryptosystem if I'm not mistaken).

Nothing is laughable about being responsible, and ignorance is no excuse, especially for the situation I responded to which was about a professional with sensitive client data.
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But what about issues that require the tech HAVE access to the files in question? Say a database issue and you cannot test the software unless you have access to the database it accesses.

Say said tech finds out that doc. Jones treated someone for some horrid STD and this person is the last person to be suspected of it, the tech blabs to his work cronies and word spreads. Suddenly this slip is damaging the rep of said person but they can't pursue legal action due to there being no legal recourse. Their private info was made public by the judges ruling so that would kick the legs out of any lawsuit they may bring agains doc. Jones or the tech's place of business.
 
While im glad the sick fuck got nailed what strikes me is this,

Circuit City told Sodomsky that the upgrade would be finished in about an hour. After installing the DVD burner, the technicians tested the drive's new software by searching the computer's hard drive for video files to play back. (Amusingly, the court refers to "codecs"--video compression and decompression software--as "code X.")
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Since when do you test a DVD burner by searching for videos to play back?
 
UrielDagda said:
You are comparing and elephant with a Yugo there. Now if we were talking about a tech finding a corpse jammed in the case, you would probably be right.
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Doesn't matter, both are illegal. So is torture or necrophilia. If someone finds that on a computer, it has to be reported.

I don't see why people find this so hard to understand.
 
Hey, once you've given your computer in for repairs, its no longer yours.

Same thing with cars. If you bring it in for a $20 tune up, but the technician finds out that you have bent frame and your brake rotors have ground down to the point where the car is no longer roadworthy, he is obligated by law to not give it back to you until its meets minimum standard (by him, or by someone else, it doesn't matter)

Personally I think techs should have more power to hold computers that are a danger to other computers (IE: ones with over 100 viruses, and the owner will not allow a clean install)
 
But then people would think we're even bigger assholes than we apparently already are. :D
 
I've turned 1 person in for child porn. Was in the process of backing up his favorites and noticed some of them had references to 'pedophilia' and '13 yr old', etc. Immediately stopped, called the cops, detective came to the store. Asked me how I came across them and explained the situation. Told me to click the links to see if they went anywhere :)eek::( btw) and a couple did. Yuck again btw. So he got a warrant and took the machine. Thats my story, not very exciting, but it happened. Not sure whatever happened with it either. Just hope I never run into another one.
 
I know this isn't exactly a good analogy but:

If someone is walking on train tracks and is hit by a train, should they get angry that there are no signs telling pedestrians not to walk on the tracks?

Anytime you bring your PC in for repair, even if it is unethical or illegal to do so, you should EXPECT the techs to look through your stuff. I am not saying tech's will actually do it, but the consumer should take those precautions, whether its a saved password to paypal, credit card info, or whatever. If this pedophile doesn't get locked up for a few decades then he needs at least a few years for stupidity. People that stupid shouldn't be allowed to drive, own firearms, vote, breathe, etc.
 
Dethred said:
I know this isn't exactly a good analogy but:

If someone is walking on train tracks and is hit by a train, should they get angry that there are no signs telling pedestrians not to walk on the tracks?

Anytime you bring your PC in for repair, even if it is unethical or illegal to do so, you should EXPECT the techs to look through your stuff. I am not saying tech's will actually do it, but the consumer should take those precautions, whether its a saved password to paypal, credit card info, or whatever. If this pedophile doesn't get locked up for a few decades then he needs at least a few years for stupidity. People that stupid shouldn't be allowed to drive, own firearms, vote, breathe, etc.
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then i guess I dont deserve to live by your thoughts then (NOT that i have stuff like that on the computer but my computer is open cept though the firewall ect that i have )
 
It's very simple, just put up a sign.

In the course of repairing your PC, we may have to go through files on your hard drive. If you don't want us to see what's on it, turn around now.

Of course, that would run off the stupid criminals that deserve to be busted.

Maybe just make sure the customer understands that you may have to go through the files as part of fixing it and they have to sign a paper stating they understand and agree with this. That covers your butt for the part of privacy invasion and gives you a right to call the police technically and legally.
 
I wouldn't want any tech guy from a B&M to be near my PC. Most of the time they mess up custom settings, such as wiring etc inside a PC just to get a freakin' hard drive out.
 
madmat said:
But what about issues that require the tech HAVE access to the files in question? Say a database issue and you cannot test the software unless you have access to the database it accesses.

Say said tech finds out that doc. Jones treated someone for some horrid STD and this person is the last person to be suspected of it, the tech blabs to his work cronies and word spreads. Suddenly this slip is damaging the rep of said person but they can't pursue legal action due to there being no legal recourse. Their private info was made public by the judges ruling so that would kick the legs out of any lawsuit they may bring agains doc. Jones or the tech's place of business.
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If DB access is necessary, then NDAs are the standard operating procedure (non-disclosure agreements). That way, when the tech does blab, there is documentation allowing for full legal recourse.

This issue was thought of a long time ago, I'm not even 30 yet, and have seen so many NDAs that it's more or less a professional formality anymore....just sign it, move on. For the most part, they are all worded the same....nothing about the information leaves the functional group (you'll know who they are when you have signed it...if not, then assume the person who gave you the NDA is the sole contact until he/she tells you otherwise), that's it.
 
leoftw said:
what kind of idiot takes his computer to circuit city for "anything"
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I'll neglect the new setup work for people who would rather have one of us do all the updates, installations, and turning off things in MSCONFIG, and give you an idea:



The kind of idiot that uses limewire but is too irresponsible to keep from double clicking their "Britney Spears' New Song.EXE"

The kind of idiot that is willing to spend $40 for their $30 RAM or $10 Modem to get installed. (I truly hate this part of the business. I typically do a lot of things for a discount if I can)

The kind of idiot that trusts computers enough to leave their entire life's work on the system, but doesn't remember that mechanical parts can fail.

Also, apparantly the kind of idiot that is willing to bring in his PC for a free check in August, but not willing to drive back the 45 miles or so to pick it up when we find out his drive is about to die. I think we legally will be disposing of it on Jan 5th.

The kind of idiot that wants to use the Free-After-MIR CA Internet Security Suite, and then complains when they can't get online. Fucking CA, Fucking McAfee. For the Toshiba and Gateway/Emachines systems, we have to disable McAfee to do any windows updates, or else it can take hours. HP w/ Norton: Updates take about a minute to get all loaded up (MS Update page to come up, Windows Update to find everything). Toshiba w/ McAfee: the record so far is 1 hour, 23 minutes. The average is usually about 10. It's just faster to turn McAfee off, run the updates, then turn it back on after it's done, and let the customer deal with a slow internet connection. There really isn't a fix other than to not use McAfee.


Also, the non-idiots:
Anyone that buys an HP or Compaq & needs warranty work done on it, as CC is an authorized repair center.

People who get random freezes, but don't have virii. Typically we find this to be bad sectors on harddrives, or occassionally bad RAM.

And the coolest grandma I've ever seen: I had a half-hour long discussion with her on Friday about what kind of games she likes to play: She was a fan of the Myst series, RTS, pretty much anything other than FPS games. I suggested the Sam & Max games by LucasArts, told her about DosBox for her older games to work in XP, and suggested the Underdogs as place she might be able to find some older games.









But, as far as the sentiment for taking a [H] PC to a B&M, or any tech support group, I agree fully. I hated taking my laptop to the campus tech support when their wireless was working. Bastards couldn't figure out why their network didn't work, but every one else's would. Settings were correct, it just couldn't see their hidden network. They commented that my system was the fastest they'd seen running Vista. I really wanted to chime in that "Unlike you assholes, I actually know how to use the damned thing", but opted not to. (They were refusing to support Vista...about 4 months after it had come out. I'd emailed about Vista 64 bit issues w/ their Cisco VPN software, they responded back about how to get an antivirus program - completely irrelevant to my initial inquiry).

There are probably some good techs hiding at Circuit City for one reason or another (mine was flexible hours & steady pay while going to school full time). I've not met any others that are [H] quality though. I'm unquestionably the most tech-savvy of my coworkers.I currently work with: A gay guy that prefers Mac, does the in-home installations for PC & Home Theater, and certainly the coolest and funniest guy I've worked with in my life. My best friend since 2nd grade, because I knew he could do the job, so I got management to hire him, and the new guy who works for the state and is doing this as a second, part-time job.

Most of our job is remedial bullshit work that monkeys could do. Well, most monkeys...I worked with a guy that plugged in an IDE cable wrong (after forgetting to plug it in for half an hour...along with the power cable). He burned out our 3.5" to 2.5" converter, had numerous customer complaints, etc. We fired him. He was hired not because he was the best for the job, but because, of the applicants, he wasn't the worst.
 
leoftw said:
what kind of idiot takes his computer to circuit city for "anything"
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The ones that aren't [H]ard enough to know what the frag they are doing.

I have several friends of the family and family that would have been at BestBuy or CircuitCity, were it not for me taking care of their problems.

I thought about going into business to do this in people's homes but, it would be my luck, I would walk into someone's house like Jeffery Dahmer or something.
 
ZenOps said:
Doesn't matter, both are illegal. So is torture or necrophilia. If someone finds that on a computer, it has to be reported.

I don't see why people find this so hard to understand.
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One, "torture" porn is not undoubtly illegal. Necrophilia, unlike what you believe tends not to be illegal either. Only 4 states make the act illegal, Cali just passing the law last year (1 incident of necrophilia in 42 years). Neither have affirmative-report (has to be reported or you are breaking the law) laws connected to them.

But, if you can show otherwise.
 
Cinge said:
It's very simple, just put up a sign.

In the course of repairing your PC, we may have to go through files on your hard drive. If you don't want us to see what's on it, turn around now.

Of course, that would run off the stupid criminals that deserve to be busted.

Maybe just make sure the customer understands that you may have to go through the files as part of fixing it and they have to sign a paper stating they understand and agree with this. That covers your butt for the part of privacy invasion and gives you a right to call the police technically and legally.
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Eh...we've heard from at least one Fire Dog tech here, and it sure sounds like he wouldn't have searched for video files to do the exact job that the tech in this court case did. That supports many writer's belief that the tech wasn't just doing his job, he was searching for stuff to copy for himself.
 
As already posted, Circuit City and just about every tech shop has a clause in the contract (which the customer has to sign before their system is touched) which indicates any information on the drive could possibly be accessed by the techs. This has been SOP for a long time and for incidents just like this.

Again, as already mentioned, doctors, lawyers and other professions where client confidentiality is required; always require the person working on the system to sign an agreement indicating they will not disclose any information they may view while working on the system. There are some pretty nasty penalties for breaking those agreements. Systems with that kind of information are never taken to Circuit City or any other store like that. A trusted local technician or onsite person will take these types of jobs.

I know a couple of people who used to run their own shops in my town. They had to have special clearance before they were allowed to touch any government employee's computer. This type of clearance made them a nice chunk of change since it meant they could charge a lot more for the same type of work.

When you take your system into a place like Circuit City, Best Buy or even a local shop, you cannot expect privacy for the data stored on the computer unless it's encrypted in some way.

Anytime someone is allowed into my apartment for any reason, I have just given up any reasonable expectation of privacy for any area the person is allowed to enter. If I don't close the doors to rooms the person does not need to access or state that the person cannot enter one room or another, I'm basically SOL in regards to anything the person sees. Then again, I don't leave anything out for someone to see if it's something I wish to be kept private.

When you take your computer into a place to be worked on and you don't have some type of agreement stating the person is not allowed to look at anything on the system, you have given up any rights to privacy in regards to your data. Remember, its your responsibility to make sure your data is protected. Ignorance of how to protect your data is not anyone's fault but your own.

If I kill someone and I don't know it's illegal; I'm still going to be prosecuted for murder. Lack of knowledge of the law is not immunity from the law.

Do I think it's a good thing that a computer tech starts rummaging through someone's data? No. Do I do it when working on someone's machine? No.

One more piece of information for you. A computer tech at Circuit City is not a member of law enforcement. Because of that distinction, most of the laws people keep screaming about such as illegal search and seizure are not applicable. Those laws are in place to restrain the government and law enforcement from infringing on the rights of the individual. Those same laws have no affect in regards to a private individual.

 
nilepez said:
Eh...we've heard from at least one Fire Dog tech here, and it sure sounds like he wouldn't have searched for video files to do the exact job that the tech in this court case did. That supports many writer's belief that the tech wasn't just doing his job, he was searching for stuff to copy for himself.
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Whether you feel the tech did something wrong or not is irrelevant. The tech did nothing to break any laws. Since the tech broke no laws, a person's views of right or wrong mean nothing.

 
SmokeRngs said:
One more piece of information for you. A computer tech at Circuit City is not a member of law enforcement. Because of that distinction, most of the laws people keep screaming about such as illegal search and seizure are not applicable. Those laws are in place to restrain the government and law enforcement from infringing on the rights of the individual. Those same laws have no affect in regards to a private individual.

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Absolutely. ..... Unless they are acting on the behalf of a government agent, which this guy obviously wasn't.
 
It's about Trust and Professionalism.

Places like Best Buy and Circuit City, you have to almost expect that when you take your PC to them for repair, the moment they power it up, it's open to the entire public what it is they're doing, and what they're looking at, based on the piece of paper they make you sign. Sure they say "yeah yeah we'll keep what you have a secret", but then they say "but if you have anything illegal we'll rat you out".

It's the lowest-common-denominator type of repair service, the kind of impersonal repair service you pretty much come to expect from places like that. Contrast that with a field tech who's been in the line of work for numbers of years and has seen it all. And the only people he shares his stories with, are other field techs when they gather around the bar for some good ol' stories over beer. But you know something? This old guy's got your back. He ain't gonna rat you out. It would be dishonorable first, and bad for business, second.

That's the difference between a Professional, and a fresh-faced kid working in the back room, who has to report every little thing that looks slightly off to his supervisor.
 
d0k0night said:
It's about Trust and Professionalism.

Places like Best Buy and Circuit City, you have to almost expect that when you take your PC to them for repair, the moment they power it up, it's open to the entire public what it is they're doing, and what they're looking at, based on the piece of paper they make you sign. Sure they say "yeah yeah we'll keep what you have a secret", but then they say "but if you have anything illegal we'll rat you out".

It's the lowest-common-denominator type of repair service, the kind of impersonal repair service you pretty much come to expect from places like that. Contrast that with a field tech who's been in the line of work for numbers of years and has seen it all. And the only people he shares his stories with, are other field techs when they gather around the bar for some good ol' stories over beer. But you know something? This old guy's got your back. He ain't gonna rat you out. It would be dishonorable first, and bad for business, second.

That's the difference between a Professional, and a fresh-faced kid working in the back room, who has to report every little thing that looks slightly off to his supervisor.
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So you're arguing that a professional wouldn't report child porn to the police if he were to see it sitting on the computer he was working on? Said professional should be fired and/or charged.
 
My thing is their ability to plant the videos and turn you in for it... can they not?

I mean it's simple "I know the date added is today, but thats how the virus works that was downloaded with this child porn video!"

You can get fucked over by this, IMO.
 
The Professional fixes your PC, logs in with your ID just to make sure everything logs in OK, does the due diligence to ensure your system is rock solid(opens up My Computer, reviews Device Manager, opens Word, fills the memory up, opens and closes all the apps, checks for solid network connectivity, ensures Outlook is OK, blah blah).

Whilst doing so he sees something he knows that you're not supposed to have according to HR policy; something you can dismissed for. It might be an email discussing insider trading. It might be a "package" your cousin wants you to pick up for him. You hired him to fix your PC for $95 bucks/hour. He looks at you. You look at him.

To your relief he gives you a reassuring smile, a nod, collects his payment, and leaves.

So. Best Buy boy, or Professional? Take your pick.
 
Nemesis999 said:
So you're arguing that a professional wouldn't report child porn to the police if he were to see it sitting on the computer he was working on? Said professional should be fired and/or charged.
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So when the Professional finds some nudie pics that you have, haven't gotten around to deleting or for whatever reason; you know your wife wouldn't approve of them, and would give you a serious tongue-lashing for/any number of consequences -

It could be anything. It could be old, outdated emails between your past lover that you've archived that mean nothing today; but meant something in the past that you've kept out of no other reason than nostalgia. Or it could be something else. Maybe you had a bad history with credit or dabbled in something you'd just want to keep tucked away in the past; you have your reasons. Bottom line - we all have skeletons in our closet...would you want the PC repair guy to expose that? Sometimes there are things saved in C:\Documents and Settings\HardOCPuser that just get forgotten over time, but are as easy as pie to open up and expose.

Or would you wish that you could just simply trust the guy? That's what I'm talking about.
 
IT IS CHILD PORN, that is a pretty damn big illegal skeleton!

Whether or not it was right for him to search for the files is irrelevant! The company policy covers him, and he did what he should of done, reported him for finding child porn. It's not like he found an email from his pot dealer, this is child porn. You can't just let him go with that kind of shit on his computer.
 
d0k0night said:
So when the Professional finds some nudie pics that you have, haven't gotten around to deleting or for whatever reason; you know your wife wouldn't approve of them, and would give you a serious tongue-lashing for/any number of consequences -

It could be anything. It could be old, outdated emails between your past lover that you've archived that mean nothing today; but meant something in the past that you've kept out of no other reason than nostalgia. Or it could be something else. Maybe you had a bad history with credit or dabbled in something you'd just want to keep tucked away in the past; you have your reasons. Bottom line - we all have skeletons in our closet...would you want the PC repair guy to expose that? Sometimes there are things saved in C:\Documents and Settings\HardOCPuser that just get forgotten over time, but are as easy as pie to open up and expose.

Or would you wish that you could just simply trust the guy? That's what I'm talking about.
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Did he find some old love letters and report it to the guys wife? No, he found child pornography. Guess what, the instant he doesn't report it he is liable to be charged for possession of child pornography. He knowingly is in possession of child pornography. So while you might enjoy helping a pedophile hide his child pornography, some of us aren't that "professional" and would immediately report it.
 
If the only thing the tech was supposed to do was fix the DVD drive, then yeah, it certainly sounds like he was noodling around for porn for himself. But he found something illegal, so he reported it, and Circuit City is a large enough company to have thought of this problem (or run into it) long, long ago, so they have a deluge of clauses that cover the tech and themselves.

The guy's of questionable intelligence for having to bring his PC to Circuit City. He's definitely pretty dumb for not doing anything to hide his porn. And he's flat-out retarded for that being illegal porn. Support the death penalty for stupid creepy guys. Promote Darwinism.
 
Nemesis999 said:
So you're arguing that a professional wouldn't report child porn to the police if he were to see it sitting on the computer he was working on? Said professional should be fired and/or charged.
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No a proffesional would not have made up bogus excuses to rifle through his personal files. Like i said before since when do you test a new DVD burner by watching video files on the hard drive. :rolleyes:

This guy is a dirtbag and should go down but what this tech did should also be brought to the attention of his superiors and something should be done about it.
 
Killa_2327 said:
So a professional won't report child porn if he sees it? :confused:
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yes they will, and others have said in other threads that the smaller shop(s) they worked at scoured the drives for porn as well.

This is not limited to BB and CC.
 
pfunkman said:
No a proffesional would not have made up bogus excuses to rifle through his personal files. Like i said before since when do you test a new DVD burner by watching video files on the hard drive. :rolleyes:

This guy is a dirtbag and should go down but what this tech did should also be brought to the attention of his superiors and something should be done about it.
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I bet atleast half of his superiors have had kids, and took him out for a drink.
 
I have no doubt. I had a friend that worked at both Ritz Camera and a computer shop. If they say ANY illegal files they were required to report it and alert the police.
 
pfunkman said:
No a proffesional would not have made up bogus excuses to rifle through his personal files. Like i said before since when do you test a new DVD burner by watching video files on the hard drive. :rolleyes:

This guy is a dirtbag and should go down but what this tech did should also be brought to the attention of his superiors and something should be done about it.
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Really? As far as I know when you install something like a DVD burner one of the steps is to burn and verify a disc. In fact, last time I did that I used windows search to find files over 100MB, selected the first ~8.5GB worth, and burned them to a DL DVD I had lying around.

Guess what else, if I saw "12-year-old-kid-fill-in-the-blank.wmv" you can be damn sure that it would go to the cops. The article even says that they searched for a video file to test the drive.
 
c.d.e said:
One, "torture" porn is not undoubtly illegal. Necrophilia, unlike what you believe tends not to be illegal either. Only 4 states make the act illegal, Cali just passing the law last year (1 incident of necrophilia in 42 years). Neither have affirmative-report (has to be reported or you are breaking the law) laws connected to them.

But, if you can show otherwise.
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For the record, torture porn is NOT illegal so long as all parties involved agreed upon it. In another forum I go to, there is a woman there who takes part in these types of films....I can't really agree with it, but if that's what she wants to do, it's her right to. Would it be shocking as hell to stumble upon....definately. That's one of those types of media I'd keep off the machine, or in an encrypted .rar (any monkey that knows how to surf menus can figure out how to do this in winrar).

In general letting someone on you PC is like letting them....make sure your sextoys are somewhere they won't stumble upon them.
 
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