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noct3rn4l

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put together a list here and it looks pretty decent i just would like some useful commentary on the list or any corrections i should make.

it will not be OC'd. and i was recommened a Gigabyte DS3 but i see theres a few different models bearing the DS3, more specially GA-P35-DS3R and the 965P-DS3 and some bad reviews on the 965P

-Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3500630AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM - $119.99

-SAMSUNG 920NW Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail - $184.99 (+ 20 Mail in rebate)

-EPSON CX7400 C11C689201 up to 28 ppm 5760 x 1440 -$64.99

-XFX PV-T86J-YAHG GeForce 8500GT 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 -$89

-ENERMAX Liberty ELT500AWT ATX12V 500W -$109.99 (+20.00 Rebate)

-Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit KVR667D2N5K2/2G-$69.9

-GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Mobo -$129.99

-Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail -$279.99


Total: $1049.92
 
Go for the DS3R.

That GFX card will be crap for gaming so I suggest you try for a higher end DX9 one.

Also swap the PSU for the X-Clio Goodpower 500w.

Finally, try to find a G0 Q6600 for that price.

Glad to see you did your reasearch this time.
 
RoBo said:
Go for the DS3R.

That GFX card will be crap for gaming so I suggest you try for a higher end DX9 one.

Also swap the PSU for the X-Clio Goodpower 500w.

Finally, try to find a G0 Q6600 for that price.

Glad to see you did your reasearch this time.
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thanks, just needed a point in the right direction for the intel board, the video card is obviously not a gaming card, i just need to get a decent card that can handle all the basics and then some.. the computer will mostly be used for photo-editing and normal every day stuff such as word, excel, etc... so a 600$ vidcard is not required... but if you have a better suggestion for a card in that price range (<$100) please share!

the G0 is a revision of the quad core right? to keep 2 of the cores cooler? so to know if you get a G0 its pretty much either spend the extra dough on a open box Confirmed G0, or buy and just cross your fingers?
 
- What are you going to be doing with this PC?
- What's your exact budget? and does that budget include tax and shipping?
 
crashthenet44 said:
G0's

http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A1938452&CMP=OTC-Adwords&gclid=CI3D2_mHyY4CFSNFgQod7VikBw
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thanks =)


the computer is for my dad, he wont be playing games, he'll be using it mostly for photoshop work... so he needs the 500 gb's, and the 2gb of ram.

the budget is $1000, $+- 50, including monitor, printer, and were trying to keep it from 20 different sites to avoid any unnecessary shipping costs. so besides the G0 stepping cpu, try and keep everything else from newegg

The system will not be OC'd, but would be nice to have the ability to do so fairly easily in the future if the need be, whats your take deciding between the DS3R and the Abit IP35 pro keeping all these things in mind


edit: i just checked out this Xclio Goodpower 500 w ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817189005 ), its only 50 bucks? you sure its as good/better then that enermax liberty? one of the articles of this site referred to an article written about PSUs and the libery was one of the ones near the top of the list
 
No, the XClio Goodpower isn't greater than the Enermax Liberty. It's just a cheaper alternative. Anyway I recommend going with the Corsair 520HX 520W power supply. It's a better quality power supply and offers more power than that 500W Libterty, 32A on the +12V rail for the Liberty compared to 40A on the +12V rail for the Corsair:
Corsair HX520 520W PSU - $105

As for whether or not to go with the IP35 Pro or DS3R, here's a side by side comparison of the Abit IP35 Pro and the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...mpareItemList=N82E16813128050,N82E16813127030

And here are couple of reviews for each mobo. Decide for yourself whether or not it's worth it for you:

Abit IP 35 Pro:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/abit-ip35-pro.html
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/ip35__pro/
http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/Abit_IP35_Pro_Off_Limits/index.shtml

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/513/1/
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/06/01/gigabyte_ga-p35-ds3r/1
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=832&num=1

Also just to throw this out there but unless your Dad watches a ton of HD video, don't bother with going a video card. Instead go with a motherboard with onboard video like this one:
Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R mATX Motherboard - $135

The DS2R is very good overclocker and is very popular here on the forums:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1191867

Don't bother with that Kingston RAM. DDR2 800 RAM is only $5 more and will give you a bit more headroom for OCing' later on:
G.SKILL F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ 2 x 1GB DDR2 800 RAM - $75

However, if you still want a video card recommendation, I'd go with the x1550 since it doesn't look he's going to game at all. It's a cheap and basic video card:
MSI RX1550-TD128EH Radeon X1550 128MB PCI-E Video Card - $29
 
Danny Bui said:
No, the XClio Goodpower isn't greater than the Enermax Liberty. It's just a cheaper alternative. Anyway I recommend going with the Corsair 520HX 520W power supply. It's a better quality power supply and offers more power than that 500W Libterty, 32A on the +12V rail for the Liberty compared to 40A on the +12V rail for the Corsair:
Corsair HX520 520W PSU - $105

As for whether or not to go with the IP35 Pro or DS3R, here's a side by side comparison of the Abit IP35 Pro and the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...mpareItemList=N82E16813128050,N82E16813127030

And here are couple of reviews for each mobo. Decide for yourself whether or not it's worth it for you:

Abit IP 35 Pro:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/abit-ip35-pro.html
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/ip35__pro/
http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/Abit_IP35_Pro_Off_Limits/index.shtml

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/513/1/
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/06/01/gigabyte_ga-p35-ds3r/1
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=832&num=1

Also just to throw this out there but unless your Dad watches a ton of HD video, don't bother with going a video card. Instead go with a motherboard with onboard video like this one:
Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R mATX Motherboard - $135

The DS2R is very good overclocker and is very popular here on the forums:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1191867

Don't bother with that Kingston RAM. DDR2 800 RAM is only $5 more and will give you a bit more headroom for OCing' later on:
G.SKILL F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ 2 x 1GB DDR2 800 RAM - $75

However, if you still want a video card recommendation, I'd go with the x1550 since it doesn't look he's going to game at all. It's a cheap and basic video card:
MSI RX1550-TD128EH Radeon X1550 128MB PCI-E Video Card - $29
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- i think ill stick with the DSR3 after giving the side by side a look see!
- Good call on the G.skill DDR2 800 .. thats a keeper =)
- For the vidcard id still like the best 70-90$ Option, nVidia.. def not settling for onboard
- Its not like his system is going to be running two cards though, so im thinking maybe that 50$ psu that was recommended earlier could be a good option as well.. maybe with the extra money ill get em a 750 gb hdd ;)
 
If you're going to be doing photo editing the money is much better spent on a higher resolution display -- a 20" or 22" LCD instead of that 19" would only be $50-60 more and running Photoshop at 1600x1200 or 1650x1080 is a /lot/ nicer than at 1024x768 or 1280x1024.
 
silent-circuit said:
If you're going to be doing photo editing the money is much better spent on a higher resolution display -- a 20" or 22" LCD instead of that 19" would only be $50-60 more and running Photoshop at 1600x1200 or 1650x1080 is a /lot/ nicer than at 1024x768 or 1280x1024.
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yea? i personally dont care much for LCDs so i dont know much about them other then if your gonna game, get one with 2-3ms and a nice contrast ratio

- what kind monitor would you recommend?
 
noct3rn4l said:
yea? i personally dont care much for LCDs so i dont know much about them other then if your gonna game, get one with 2-3ms and a nice contrast ratio

- what kind monitor would you recommend?
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Tone down the attitude, please.

One of these:
SAMSUNG 216BW Black-Silver 21.6" 5ms DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 3000:1(1000:1) - $260
or
Acer AL2216Wbd Black 22" 5ms DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor with HDCP support 300 cd/m2 700:1 - $220

The Samsung has better contrast so it's preferable, but it's another $40 over the Acer. Either would be an improvement over the 19" for photo editing.
 
no attitude was intended i was heeding your advice bro.. you read it the wrong way =]

the samsung one is pretty nice. As is the Acer.. never heard of the company though, whats their reputation like?
 
Acer's reputation is relatively good.

Why not settle for onboard? It's not like onboard video is that bad for Photoshop rigs. Since he's not gaming, why spend more than $30 on a video card?
 
Danny Bui said:
Acer's reputation is relatively good.

Why not settle for onboard? It's not like onboard video is that bad for Photoshop rigs. Since he's not gaming, why spend more than $30 on a video card?
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a fair vidcard is a good thing to have! he may not play games, but i might load up some Max Payne for old times sake and try it out on that hefty 22in LCD after im done setting it all up ;)

and the majority here feels XP pro > vista right?
 
Danny Bui said:
eVGA 256-P2-N615-TX GeForce 7600GT 256MB PCI-E Video Card - $90

Pretty good card for the price. A lot better than the 8500GT that you chose.
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the GTs are pretty good OC'ers too right? I remember hearing hyper about them a few months ago, i guess its still a good card!

I think im gonna go with that 21.6" samsung too. Samsungs done some good things the past few years, and made some amazing displays. i remember selling them in sears a few years ago.. the EDTVs made some of the HDTVs look bad. The money i save from the PSU should offset the price difference
 
noct3rn4l said:
the GTs are pretty good OC'ers too right? I remember hearing hyper about them a few months ago, i guess its still a good card!
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What's hyper? Did you mean hype?

Dunno about how well the 7600GT OCs. Haven't tried it myself. Which GT are you talking about? the 8500GT? 7600GT? 7900GT? 8600GT? FYI, GT usually designates a high mid-range Nvidia card.
 
Danny Bui said:
What's hyper? Did you mean hype?

Dunno about how well the 7600GT OCs. Haven't tried it myself. Which GT are you talking about? the 8500GT? 7600GT? 7900GT? 8600GT? FYI, GT usually designates a high mid-range Nvidia card.
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oops, yea i meant hype*. I made that switch on the definite to-get list =)

so this is what the list is looking like now:

- Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3500630AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive OEM - $119.99

- XCLIO STABLEPOWER 500W ATX 500W Power Supply - Retail 69.99 (the Goodpower was out of stock)

-EVGA 256-P2-N615-TX GeForce 7600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SLI Supported Video Card -Retail - $89.99 ($15 rebate... 74.99 after)

-EPSON CX7400 C11C689201 up to 28 ppm 5760 x 1440 -$64.99

-LG 18X DVD±R Lightscribe DVD Burner Black IDE Model GSA-H44LK - OEM -$29.99

-G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $75.99

-SAMSUNG 216BW Black-Silver 21.6" 5ms DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 3000:1(1000:1) -$259.99

-GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Mobo -$129.99

-Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail -$275.99

which would result in a Total, after tax and shipping of around $1,240

OR-- if i go with a E6750..$1,155.08

You figure the performance difference between the Q and E6750 is worth the extra 90 bucks?
 
silent-circuit said:
If most of what he's doing is Photoshop? Yeah. Photoshop loves quad cores.
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alrighty.. i mean, 100 of its shipping anyway.

this system makes me jealous! Ive never tried a c2d before.. Ill probably install Maya and some mental ray renderings just to see how much faster it really is. Man is this going to be an upgrade.... 700 mhz Gateway to a C2Quad.. <333
 
Looks good to me. That Stablepower PSU is actually a better quality PSU than the Goodpower.
 
noct3rn4l said:
- Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3500630AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive OEM - $119.99
- XCLIO STABLEPOWER 500W ATX 500W Power Supply - Retail 69.99 (the Goodpower was out of stock)
-EVGA 256-P2-N615-TX GeForce 7600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SLI Supported Video Card -Retail - $89.99 ($15 rebate... 74.99 after)
-EPSON CX7400 C11C689201 up to 28 ppm 5760 x 1440 -$64.99
-LG 18X DVD±R Lightscribe DVD Burner Black IDE Model GSA-H44LK - OEM -$29.99
-G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $75.99
-SAMSUNG 216BW Black-Silver 21.6" 5ms DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 3000:1(1000:1) -$259.99
-GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Mobo -$129.99
-Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail -$275.99
which would result in a Total, after tax and shipping of around $1,240
OR-- if i go with a E6750..$1,155.08
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Go for a SATA DVD burner.

If he prints photos, he should get a better epson printer.
 
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