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BTX, who DOESN'T plan on changing

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BLsibub666

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Ive seen many a post about btx vs atx, i understand what btx is trying to do but as i see it many of the upgrades that will come out on btx boards can just as easaly be but onto atx boards, and in atx style cases.

in my oppinion asus, and abit will probably make a couple of atx mobos with the new set up (pci express and so on) aslong as there is a market (Id buy one)

i understand that btx is trying to aliviate sound, and heat issues, but my modding my atx case has done that for them...

so id rather have an updated atx mobo to put in my modded atx inwin case...

my question here is "who's commin with me" who would rather buy an atx mobo with pci express, and so on, then everything (exept drives). just an informal pole to see if im alone in this, no need to say if you plan to change just if you dont plan on it



now if time goes by and no one makes an axt compatable mobo i will mod my case, (or buy the same modle in btx and just change the walls out so i dont have to mod everything again)
and bite the bullet for btx but i realy dont see that happening


dell and hp may jump at the idea of btx (passive cooling, swine copulators) but i dont see it being big with OCers, watter coolin people, or major modders
 
Well, I'm not a case modder. I'll take any advantage that BTX will give me -- BUT, if they make ATX mobos with all of the newer technology, I will be buying another ATX mobo. Why? I have ATX cases laying around, decent ones, even.
 
I dont plan to buy a BTX case till the end of the year maybe when i'll think about upgradeing again from my 3.0c Northwood to a new Prescott/Teja.

For right now i have a new Antec 1080 SOHO and it works fine.
 
I'm not gonna upgrade for a while. I'm doing what others are doing, waiting till BTX prices go down and the technology has most of its bugs worked out.

Plus I don't have the money to do any upgrades for a while.
 
at first i will stick to ATX, both due to a lack of funds, and the fact that we dont even know if BTX will be a flop, or if it will own.

i will wait until i have the funds, and when BTX has a firm hold on the market.
 
I'm only switching to BTX if I absolutely have to... Otherwise, I'm sticking with ATX.
 
I'm not going BTX until I build a new computer, which won't be until this one is thoroughly outdated.
 
theyre not only going to put PCI-E and whatnot on just BTX boards...you think ATX adoption was immediate?
 
i will just mod my atx case to a btx.:)

it will give me something to do


but untill it is nothing but btx boards i'll stick with atx
 
Good job to the guys saying they're gonna mod to BTX or refuse to upgrade...

If you said you're going to upgrade when you upgrade (note the intended redudency) I want you to take your mouse, put it up to your nose, and drive it through your sinus cavety, because you did exactly what the poster asked you not to. If you are upgrading, get out of this thread. It's not for you. This thread is for the ATX underground, for the RESISTANCE!

I am not changing to BTX. I intend to stay ATX until manufacterers stop making ATX boards. I see no reason to "upgrade" (and everyone who's tried to convince me has talked nonsense in circles) and I would love to see the BTX standard wither and die, and ATX continue on at least in the enthusiest market.

Vive le ATX!!
 
Computers are, if nothing else, about changing. While you may not embrace BTX with open arms, I assure you, if you want to continue building new computers, eventually you will upgrade to BTX.
 
Crap Screamer!

Why would I eventually upgrade to a format that offers me no benefits of any kind? Do I just WANT to piss away my money?
 
and one day you will die but it doesnt have to be today

this is a capitalist market, they make what people buy if not one buys btx format they will make atx format and i will not have to change.

you sir or madam are a fool, and blatantly are not wanted in my thread, i asked that you did not post such things here, and you did, you just had to go and do it didnt you, why do i come to you house and shit in your bed b/c its not a fucking craft matic ajustable and i think they are the best, no i dont if you want to sleep on rags on the floor its up to you i dont care but i dont see why you have to come into my post, my house and shit on my thread, its just not fair to me, and it angers me a great deal

you vote yes to upgrading fine then start a who will upgrade thread, and i promis you i will not shit in it.

i do not have to do anything if i dont like btx i can stick with atx and if they dont make atx then i can make atx and not deal with major companies

i dont need a lesson on what computers are from you or anyone, btx isnt all ass better its difrent i would rather not use it, and i would like to know who elce thinks the same as i


this wasnt a "some one show me the light and convert me to a btx fan boy" thread, was it, was that the thread title, i dont think so, hold on ill look, ... nope that wasnt it, so why did you post here???

if you want btx then have fun, i dont, i dont try to convert you, and you should do the same for me, some mutual respect would be nice, but im sure ill get bitched at for flaming here b4 you hear a word about your thread crapping



your post was totaly off topic, and was blatantly unwanted yet you posted it anyway not cool
 
Originally posted by kronchev
[..] you think ATX adoption was immediate?
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ATX offers many advantages over AT, including a better (not to mention safer) PSU. It moves stuff like the CPU and RAM around to make upgrading (like putting huge videocards in AGP/PCI slots and upgrading the CPU) as painless as possible.

I still work on (Baby) AT systems on a regular basis and while it works, anyone should be able to see that ATX is clearly superior to AT in regards to the layout of components.

Now compare ATX and BTX. ATX is:

a) well established, with a large userbase. If you were to buy a new case now, there's at least a 99% chance that it's for ATX boards.
b) flexible. Many different cooling solutions and placements of drives (HDD, CD, etc.) are possible. It's more 'free' than BTX in this regard.

So in short, I'll be 'upgrading' to BTX the moment no manufacturer produces ATX parts anymore and my last ATX system dies.
 
I don't know what I'll do....I'm happy with my setup and plan on sticking with it until 2005; when I build my next system it will be from scratch, so I'll either go BTX or ATX, depending on which system offers me more.

Only thing I have holding me back from BTX is my PC Power & Cooling PSU...which is ATX.
 
Originally posted by NecessaryEvil
Only thing I have holding me back from BTX is my PC Power & Cooling PSU...which is ATX.
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ATX PSUs work with BTX boards and vice versa.
 
Originally posted by xavierq
If you are upgrading, get out of this thread. It's not for you. This thread is for the ATX underground, for the RESISTANCE!
Vive le ATX!!
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:rolleyes: wacko
 
Originally posted by xavierq
Good job to the guys saying they're gonna mod to BTX or refuse to upgrade...

If you said you're going to upgrade when you upgrade (note the intended redudency) I want you to take your mouse, put it up to your nose, and drive it through your sinus cavety, because you did exactly what the poster asked you not to. If you are upgrading, get out of this thread. It's not for you. This thread is for the ATX underground, for the RESISTANCE!

Vive le ATX!!
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I am with you my GLA brother!!
Oh wait I gotta stop playing C&CG so much.
 
well, considering that only Intel wants BTX, due to their insane space heaters they call a processor, I could give a shit about it.. Amd is far within the thermal limits of what ATX offers, and as such, I don't see the push for it.. not to mention how many companies make ATX products, and them having to scrap it all just so that Intel can keep their poorly designed processor cool...

Plus with the rumour that intel is ditching the Netburst architecture in favor of something more on the lines of a P4-M, BTX might never come into the marketplace, or never leave a niche' market..


Simply put, there is no industry push and/or need for BTX, other than Intel bullying everyone to accept it.. the market isn't like it was, with Intel calling all the shots, and there is resistance to BTX... I don't think it's an issue, and everyone worrying about BTX, shouldn't waste their time..

ATX has alot of life in it yet, and as long as AMD doesn't go belly up, I think there will be a market for it..
 
Originally posted by Elledan
ATX PSUs work with BTX boards and vice versa.
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the ATX psu will need to be ATX 1.3 compliant, and you'll need a convertor for the main ATX plug to hook it up..
 
Originally posted by Buckus
Computers are, if nothing else, about changing. While you may not embrace BTX with open arms, I assure you, if you want to continue building new computers, eventually you will upgrade to BTX.
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As I agree with that, I think ATX will still be going strong for a few more years. :D
 
I'll wait and see. There is no need to worry about technlogy popping up and forcefully ripping open your wallet to make you spend money on upgrading (unless someone makes a robotic wallet ripper, I suppose).

If BTX isn't worthwhile, it won't be adopted. Look at RDRAM.

edit: by the way, BLsibub666, that's the first time I've seen someone manage to so thoroughly crap on his own thread. I would say 'well done', but I don't think it was intentional. Take some stress leave from work or something.

Erik
 
I'll sidegrade (not up- or down-) to BTX the day the technology I want isn't available in ATX for a comparable price. I'm quite sure there'll be a lot of ATX boards designed in the years to come, there's certainly enough cases out there, and I've got enough ATX parts lying around that it'd be a highly impractical move.

Bit like the adoption problems with DAB, really. And with the compression usually used, even the quality-issue is comparable.
 
I plan on sticking with ATX just as long as I can. BTX is supposed to help primarily with cooling, but I have no issues keeping any of my ATX systems cool, in fact my newest, hottest one's case temp remains at ambient at idle, and 1C above ambient at full load. The only thing BTX offers that is really usefull is the way the video card mounts with the GPU/HSF facing up whereas with ATX combined with AGP it faces down, but I dont see any reason that issue cant be resolved with PCI Express.
 
Actually, I view having dust build up on the backside of my video card as a feature, not a bug :D

(I guess I'd viewed this differently if I had heat problems.)
 
"I'm only switching to BTX if I absolutely have to... Otherwise, I'm sticking with ATX."

I agree with Petra!

I don't see me doing anything before 2006 and even then I don't think so. I just upgraded/seconded my computer (2 now) and don't expect to do any upgrading for a while.

By the way, telling people to not do something to your thread only brings them out in just about any forum you're on. Don't say anything about it next time and maybe it won't happen.
 
Originally posted by Barnaby
the ATX psu will need to be ATX 1.3 compliant, and you'll need a convertor for the main ATX plug to hook it up..
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Not 1.3 .... 2.3 :eek: , which BTW is basically EPS12V, and converters are decidedly a *bad thing* because the point of the new connector, which is 24-pins and adds a 5v,3.3v,12v,and GND line is added stability and current handling capacity, both of which are lost by using converters and adapters. Don't be suprised to start seeing lower-end PSUs with 24-pin connectors that until reciently have been reserved for the server market. They'll be shipping with converters in the other direction, 24-pin to 20-pin, just like Vantec Steaths or Antec True550s
 
When AMD goes BTX ill go BTX

Im surprised intel can keep its name with everything else they constantly change, chipsets, FSB speeds, cores, sockets, now cases...Heh.
You gotta kinda laugh and feel sorry for them

(no they dont make bad processors, but they do make bad choices, at least from a retailers/system builders point of view. )
 
I've heard that BTX PSU's will physically be a different size, so ATX PSU's won't fit into a BTX case...

lol at the crapping on his own thread comment, that was great.

I have issues with PCI Exp anyway. What's with Intel's constant trend of releasing hardware that's not backwards compatible? And yes, Intel does make horrid business decisions. Didn't they learn from Rambus? It wasn't bad enough that by their own hand they gave AMD half their cpu market, and Via half their chipset market, but now they've gotta come around and try to strong-arm the consumer all over again? They messed up, and now they don't call the shots; we do. The point of this thread was to make sure we realize that we're in charge now, and use that power to our benefit. I don't see why anyone who hangs out on the forums and knows how to properly cool their case would advocate BTX.

Damn do I suck at Pandora Tomorrow. Those SpyNet guys are like ninjas, I can't even see them coming... er, I mean, Be strong my ATX brothers! Fight the machine!
 
Originally posted by Elledan
ATX offers many advantages over AT, including a better (not to mention safer) PSU. It moves stuff like the CPU and RAM around to make upgrading (like putting huge videocards in AGP/PCI slots and upgrading the CPU) as painless as possible.

I still work on (Baby) AT systems on a regular basis and while it works, anyone should be able to see that ATX is clearly superior to AT in regards to the layout of components.

Now compare ATX and BTX. ATX is:

a) well established, with a large userbase. If you were to buy a new case now, there's at least a 99% chance that it's for ATX boards.
b) flexible. Many different cooling solutions and placements of drives (HDD, CD, etc.) are possible. It's more 'free' than BTX in this regard.

So in short, I'll be 'upgrading' to BTX the moment no manufacturer produces ATX parts anymore and my last ATX system dies.
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and AT wasnt? again, youre acting like BTX is going to roll in here and make you throw out everything you already own.
 
AT was full of problems that ATX fixed. Sure AT was established, as ATX is now, but ATX offered a significant benefit over AT. And ATX didn't coenside with a complete change over to PCI either. ISA stayed on boards for years afterward. It was a less brute force aproach to upgrading.
 
I've heard that only the higher-end ATX PSUs will fit the BTX cases......I guess we'll find out for sure when it happens.
 
Originally posted by xavierq
I've heard that BTX PSU's will physically be a different size, so ATX PSU's won't fit into a BTX case...
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I do remember reading a review a good while back that showed a AT-Tower-Escque shapped PSU, but since BTX doesn't define PSUs, the PSU standards that it relies on (CFX, TFX, and ATX 2.3) do, theres no reasons to believe that PSUs will be any different shape.
 
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