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BOSE. newb questions.
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PliotronX
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I'll take a THX badge over Bose's "space age plastic" badge 
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.BOSE = Buy Other Sound Equipment! So what are my alternatives? Should I get the Logitech z-5300? They are $200 AUD cheaper and than the z-680 and there's a small difference. The z-5300 and z-680 have the same subwoofer
Tomshardware.com believes THX is a stamp of good quality, which proves how overrated THX is. THX is a very powerful marketing tool as many audio newbs are excited about having George Lucas certified sound, and because BOSE spends all of their money on marketing I would imagine that they would of tried to get this certification several times before, but I doubt that any of BOSE's speakers are good enough to get this little certification. Hey THX isn't that overrated, George Lucas would run tests which seem to be easy to pass but a challenge that would bring any BOSE speaker set to it's knees. (THX is overrated, but BOSE is even more overrated for selling $6000 sets that aren't good enough to be THX certified.)
.BOSE = Buy Other Sound Equipment! So what are my alternatives? Should I get the Logitech z-5300? They are $200 AUD cheaper and than the z-680 and there's a small difference. The z-5300 and z-680 have the same subwoofer
One of my BOSE-o-phile friends was getting excited about a 150 watt subwoofer from kenwood. After I told him that the creative gigaworks has a 210 watt subwoofer he was going apeshit. quote: that's a low-range amp retard. unquote: Well kenwood wouldn't be as bad as BOSE. BOSE don't even show any specifications on their website, just a bunch of sentences containing self promoting lies etc.
WTF is the "inventor of the year award"? And there is no evidence that this award is prestigous as nobody has ever heard of it. WTF is waveguide technology, they do not provide any information about it nor any information to prove that it is good. In the end there are no specifications thus no way to tell if these outrageous claims are true. Only a gullable idiot that finds a BOSE ad in a playboy magazine would believe these tall tales.
BOSE should provide specifications on their website! BOSE corp describe themselves using buzz words etc.
They provide no evidence that this is true. Well this does not count as evidence.
Kenwood are selling speaker sets with 150 watt subwoofers for $1000+. what a joke. The creative gigaworks has a 210 watt subwoofer and is only a fraction of the price!
If you buy a pair of BOSE speakers you may feel like throwing them out the nearest window, please dont! Some poor homeless guy might pick it up, don't be that heartless and cruel.
1964 was a long time ago. I hope Dr. Amar G. Bose has died or at least withered away from old age. .
I am sure that the equations on the blackboard are marketing related.
Enough of the BOSE bashing. Should I get the logitech z-560's or the z-5300's
More like a 14-year $15 million dollar marketing effort.
Jesus Christ where do I start?
WTF is the "inventor of the year award"? And there is no evidence that this award is prestigous as nobody has ever heard of it. WTF is waveguide technology, they do not provide any information about it nor any information to prove that it is good. In the end there are no specifications thus no way to tell if these outrageous claims are true. Only a gullable idiot that finds a BOSE ad in a playboy magazine would believe these tall tales.
BOSE should provide specifications on their website! BOSE corp describe themselves using buzz words etc.
They provide no evidence that this is true. Well this does not count as evidence.
They did not provide any information about this so called "direct/reflecting technology" so why in the world would anybody believe this clap trap? They believe this clap trap because
The search is over, this is why people buy BOSE speakers. The one fact that is boosting BOSE's popularity. The only piece of information on the entire BOSE website that was not a complete lie. But the only reason they have been used in all of these places is because of their popularity from millions of dollars of marketing.
the unbelievable, horryfiying consequences of 40 years of multimillion dollar marketing to the unexpecting consumer. BOSE® Better Sound Through Marketing®
Kenwood are selling speaker sets with 150 watt subwoofers for $1000+. what a joke. The creative gigaworks has a 210 watt subwoofer and is only a fraction of the price!
If you buy a pair of BOSE speakers you may feel like throwing them out the nearest window, please dont! Some poor homeless guy might pick it up, don't be that heartless and cruel.
1964 was a long time ago. I hope Dr. Amar G. Bose has died or at least withered away from old age. .
Whoops, that's a typo.
Hey BOSE advertise in playboy. try this acronym on for size: B*rain-washing O*ur S*tupid E*rotic-fans. Not really an acronym but it's the best one I have heard since Buy other Sound equipment.
Enough of the BOSE bashing. Should I get the logitech z-560's or the z-5300's
Do a test on the creative gigawork sub, see if they are telling the truth.
This "Marketing Effort" started recently (as in a few years, starting with their radios), their older products actually aren't that bad.
Waveguide technology refers to the tubes they have inside their radio's. Their more expensive radio uses a 7 foot tube inside to reproduce their sound. Their theory is the farther the air travels, the better sound is produced.
Have you ever used one of their Lifestyle systems? They are pretty damn easy to set up for the audio-noob. Few wires makes it the best for the lazy American.
That much has been established much earlier in this thread.
It wasn't always that way, kiddo.
Hear it before you bag on it, don't follow power ratings from a multimedia set.
You call that bashing? Learn to troll better.
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Not only that, but Henry Kloss would quite probably kick Klipsch's skinny little ass, and he do it with better sound quality for less money.
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Originally posted by leukotriene
Not only that, but Henry Kloss would quite probably kick Klipsch's skinny little ass, and he do it with better sound quality for less money.
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Meh. Kloss sold out, what, like half a dozen times?
Less money, maybe. Better SQ? I'm a firm believer in "you get what you pay for." I once heard a pair of K-horns driven by a Nak PA-7A fed by an old Krell CD player.
I think I saw God.
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I'll just go ahead and assume you haven't heard the CSW Tower I or the Newton towers then. Hell, find someone with the Large Advent Loudspeaker and intact or rebuilt drivers.
I've heard two setups with Klipschorns and frankly, I was not that impressed. Not for the money they (still) want. They are insanely efficient, which is nice if you have a 10W 1950's tube amp like Klipsch designed the KHorn for. Of course if you do, you must have a THD fetish, and I suggest you break out some warped 78's
But for the money? If you think they're tops I think you need to look around some more
At that price level and the nature of the placement required, I'd take some used, beat up Martin-Logan Monoliths or Maggys in a heartbeat. Well, faster than a heartbeat.
http://www6.tomshardware.com/video/20031222/speaker-15.html I'll get the logitech z-5300 as it is $50 AUD cheaper than the Z-560. And I'll get the Audigy 2 ZS
You are making a purchasing decision based on what you read at toms paranoia site?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Seriously: locate a retailer in your area that has these speakers and go listen to them.
You may figure out the easy way just how worthless those reviews are.
It sure beats returning something you bought that you don't like.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Seriously: locate a retailer in your area that has these speakers and go listen to them.
You may figure out the easy way just how worthless those reviews are.
It sure beats returning something you bought that you don't like.
Well after Tomshardware.com gave the logitech X-620's (which sound like absolute craP) a good review, I was a little suspicious. Well what website should I go to for speaker reviews?
Edit: thanks for the advice. The reviews at Tomshardware.com are worthless.
Edit: thanks for the advice. The reviews at Tomshardware.com are worthless.
yea- i recommend the previous advice-- stay away from most online review sites in regards to audio products... they don't have your ears, so it's impossible for an accurate review... go to best buy or something, listen to all the crap they pipe through their speakers... it helps to hear it for yourself..
i've found that maximum pc is usually pretty dead-on in terms of accuracy of audio reproduction in PC Speakers...
i have the logitech 680's and i love them. obviously, they're not a $5k audiophile home system or anything, but they're excellent nonetheless
i've found that maximum pc is usually pretty dead-on in terms of accuracy of audio reproduction in PC Speakers...
i have the logitech 680's and i love them. obviously, they're not a $5k audiophile home system or anything, but they're excellent nonetheless
But, would he hear the difference due to the better cooling solution on the sub? I think not.
He said, he will "listen" to the Z560's, not look the design of the sub...
I listed the major things, that he would take into consideration. Not every little single detail...oh mighty one.
He said, he will "listen" to the Z560's, not look the design of the sub...
I listed the major things, that he would take into consideration. Not every little single detail...oh mighty one.
Originally posted by soupnazi
But, would he hear the difference due to the better cooling solution on the sub? I think not.
He said, he will "listen" to the Z560's, not look the design of the sub...
I listed the major things, that he would take into consideration. Not every little single detail...oh mighty one.
Where did I say sub oh mighty audio guru?
Originally posted by soupnazi
So I guess he'll "listen" to his differently designed control pod, Duckbot?
The satellites, subwoofer, amp, enclosure design, are different on the Z-680's than the Z-560's. If you want to keep testing me audio guru, I'd be more than happy to show you the crap quality of how the Z-560's are ultimately inferior (and not just power-rating wise) to the Z-680's, and it's not just because of the subwoofer.
"Not much difference".
Shut up.
Not sure if you're able to hear it, but here's some good advice. I'm sure you're the ultimate SQ-guru, but it doesn't matter if you have a line into God's Audio Database. If your social skills stink, nobody want's to hear it. Grow up or shut up.
PS - Your social skills stink and nobody wants to hear it.
PPS - You've already been hit with a great big mute button so don't waste any keystrokes on a reply, hero.
I know where you guys are coming from, but the Z560's and Z680's sound VERY similar. So if you weren't happy with the Z560's sound, why would you be that much happier with the Z680's sound.
That's the reason I recommended those system's above before Duckbot started picking on me as usual.
That's the reason I recommended those system's above before Duckbot started picking on me as usual.
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You folks need to chill the hell out.
These are multimedia speakers for crying out loud.
It's not like we're arguing Tube amps versus transistors or Klipschorns versus Martin-Logans here
Now would someone please give me specific, referenced details on how the Z-680 satellites (outside of the center) differ from the 560 satellites in any way besides the cosmetic?
I'd really like to know.
They appear to use the same drivers, they appear to have the same enclosure, and they sound very, very, very similar.
The crossover is not in the satellite, and I dont believe the crossover frequency was changed.
The amplification is also in the sub enclosure and the power input does not change the design of the satellite.
These are multimedia speakers for crying out loud.
It's not like we're arguing Tube amps versus transistors or Klipschorns versus Martin-Logans here
Now would someone please give me specific, referenced details on how the Z-680 satellites (outside of the center) differ from the 560 satellites in any way besides the cosmetic?
I'd really like to know.
They appear to use the same drivers, they appear to have the same enclosure, and they sound very, very, very similar.
The crossover is not in the satellite, and I dont believe the crossover frequency was changed.
The amplification is also in the sub enclosure and the power input does not change the design of the satellite.
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This is the amplifier output specification from Logitech, not the speakers rated power handling. Very different.
Since they appear to use the same driver, there is no evidence that the 560 satellites are incapable of being hooked up to the 680 sub and being driven to the same SP levels as the preexisting satellites and handling the same amount of actual power.
I already stated that the amplification is in the sub, and does not appear to affect the satellites construction, and this is not in any way evidence of that.
I'd pay about as much attention to this as I would a PMPO power output number.
Try again.
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The satellites do in fact use the same drivers, they are made by Tang-Band. The Parts Express page for them. I've used my Z-560 satellites full-range off my Sharp NX10 and you do need to EQ the bass down a little bit (or just fill the ports like I did) and they sound amazing with horns, but they aren't really great by themselves.
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Precisely as I thought.
The "cabinet" design also appears to be identical outside of cosmetic differences, so we still do not have any evidence suggesting that the 680 satellites (NOT the center) are in any functional way different.
Full-range?
Those suckers just arent built to go below 80Hz or so.- Status