Boot time increases when HDD is connected

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Burner27

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I am trying to figure this out maybe you guys know something that I don't. I have the following drives attached to my PC:

SATA 0: Intel 80GB SSD G2
SATA 1: Intel 80GB SSD G2
SATA 2: Mushkin Callisto Deluxe 60GB
SATA 3: Mushkin Callisto Deluxe 60GB
SATA 4: Western Digital Green 2TB
SATA 5: Samsung SH-S223F DVD Writer

Attached to Rosewill PCIe x4 Non-RAID controller

2 x 2TB Seagate Barracuda LP


Now I installed the OS to one of the Intel SSD's with NO OTHER SSD/HDD attached and the machine booted up very quickly. I installed all updates/drivers and the machine was still booting very quickly. Keep in mind the Rosewill card was still in the machine at this time and no drives were attached.

I attached the HDDs and then the boot time increased at least 10 seconds. I moved all the HDDs to the Rosewill controller but the same thing occurred. Is this expected behavior when attaching the 'green' type drives?
 
Sounds like it's working fine to me.

Adding a mechanical HD to an SSD system is going to slow it up on bootup. When the OS loads it scans all the drives to gather info on them, and the HD is much slower than the SSD, hence the delay.

There's nothing wrong that I can see.
 
ignoring the fact that boot times are not exactly the same every single time- it takes 5 seconds or so to spin up the drive, another few seconds for the garbage controller you have to initialize.

i really dont get peoples obsession with shaving single seconds off boot times. i could really care less if i get into windows in 31 seconds or 37 seconds. are people seriously this impatient?
 
ghost6303 said:
ignoring the fact that boot times are not exactly the same every single time- it takes 5 seconds or so to spin up the drive, another few seconds for the garbage controller you have to initialize.

i really dont get peoples obsession with shaving single seconds off boot times. i could really care less if i get into windows in 31 seconds or 37 seconds. are people seriously this impatient?
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No. I am not THAT impatient. Just something i noticed. Keep in mind, it's not the BIOS Boot I am complaining about. It's the OS load time that has increased. The drives are already spun up and the controller is already initialized by the time the BIOS has finished POSTing.
 
BIOS scans all your hardware then your OS does the exact same thing all over again. The more devices and crap you have attached, the more scanning of them takes place.

Unfortunately it's not very efficient. :(
 
Burner27 said:
Up to 10 seconds more on loading OS?
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Yes!

Try moving your Libraries to one of the HD's to save space on the SSD and see how much more time it adds. Could be up to a minute more depending on the files.

People get very spoiled by how fast an SSD is, and are often hit with reality when they go back to, or mix in, a physical platter HD and realize how slow it is comparitively.
 
I noticed the exact same thing in basically the exact same situation. In previous builds it never seemed to be noticeable with all drives being normal HDDs. SSDs are so much faster you def notice it :(

It really kinda sucks for "bragging rights" but real world it doesnt really mean much. Having to reboot windows... AT ALL for anything other than a hardware change really pisses the shit out of me.
 
hardware_failure said:
I noticed the exact same thing in basically the exact same situation. In previous builds it never seemed to be noticeable with all drives being normal HDDs. SSDs are so much faster you def notice it :(

It really kinda sucks for "bragging rights" but real world it doesnt really mean much. Having to reboot windows... AT ALL for anything other than a hardware change really pisses the shit out of me.
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Damn. This is all I can say to the predicament I am in then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjd7L6txGLk&NR=1
 
Culprit identified...............Western Digital 2TB Green drive that uses the advanced format.

When not connected, machine boots fast. Now to figure out a way around it. I could set the drive to use the 512k cluster size--at least I think i can and see if that makes any difference.

Any other suggestions??
 
Western Digital 2TB Green drive that uses the advanced format
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Well I guess there's Green drives and then there's Green drives. :)

Ten seconds isn't horrendous so may I suggest moving your storage to a NAS, PASS, GRASS.......just someplace else? Sounds like it's needing it's own space?

I know I'm going to be running into the new drive configuration but mine will only be for storage and hopefully slide under the radar.
 
IMO the WD green drives suck. They do something weird with excessive head parking that causes lots of latency issues. Doesn't happen with all of them, but a lot of complaints center on that issue.
 
Hmm. That is supposed to be every 8 seconds of inactivity so I am not sure it can apply here but its easy to turn that off with the WDIdle utility. I guess if the drive already parked from the first init in the bios.
 
Old Hippie said:
Well I guess there's Green drives and then there's Green drives. :)

Ten seconds isn't horrendous so may I suggest moving your storage to a NAS, PASS, GRASS.......just someplace else? Sounds like it's needing it's own space?

I know I'm going to be running into the new drive configuration but mine will only be for storage and hopefully slide under the radar.
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What?! You're getting more HDDs?;)
 
Have you tried using wdidle3 (google search for the executable) to turn off the 8 second auto park on the WDC green?
 
Interesting thing happened. I deleted the partition on the 2TB Green drive, rebooted and the problem is now gone!!!

I have to see what happens when I start putting information back on it.......
 
Converted drive to GPT, formatted drive as one partition, rebooted--all is fine

Dumped 13GBs on to it, it transferred fine and quick (~125MB/s), rebooted and ---- all is fine and speedy.


Weird.
 
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