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Bioshock installs ROOTKIT!! Demo too!

NooooOOOoooOoooooOoooo!!

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yea yea. try do delete folder C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\SecuRom and see what happens.

Help, I installed the Bioshock Demo and after uninstalling I found I had a Securom folder in Docs and Settings\Admin\AppData\Securom which contains files that do NOT Delete, even though I have full Admin rights on my machine.

Additionally I have found two Registry entries which will NOT Delete, Current User\Software\Securom and Users\S-1-5-21-1275210071-1715567821-682003330-500\Software\Securom

Please don't tell me this is going to be another Starforce nightmare, with all responsible parties saying there is nothing dangerous about installing Rootkits in gamers machines causing massive problems that will all be blamed on the gamers, naturally

Thanks for any suggestions.
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Oh c'mon... that Hulk guy is funny.

I'll check that folder when I get home. Although, if it doesn't delete, I'm guessing my life and computer activities will continue on completely unaltered.
 
Delete it through the command prompt, using del or rem commands. That has always been the workaround for files that refused to delete in windows.
 
PoweredBySoy said:
Oh c'mon... that Hulk guy is funny.

I'll check that folder when I get home. Although, if it doesn't delete, I'm guessing my life and computer activities will continue on completely unaltered.
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Or it will eat your computer alive while you are away. :rolleyes:
 
Oh, that reminds me, I have that Bonjour folder that won't delete either.... from Quicktime. I even ran the special uninstaller for it, but the folder remains untouchable.

................. yep.
 
I've only installed the demo so far (game hasnt arrived yet :() and I do NOT have the Securom folder and do NOT have the registry entries mentioned on 2k's forum.

A rootkit has the ability to hide files/folders and as such I would expect a rootkit to truly hide itself.
I may well have a rootkit that I cannot see whereas those who can see the files but not delete them, I doubt thats a rootkit, just a way of protecting the files/registry entries.

Further evidence is needed before proclaiming it a rootkit.
 
PoweredBySoy said:
Oh c'mon... that Hulk guy is funny.

I'll check that folder when I get home. Although, if it doesn't delete, I'm guessing my life and computer activities will continue on completely unaltered.
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Dude I'm still laughing!! That was great!
 
There is no rootkit. A company would be insane to follow the path of Sony and the onslaught of lawsuits that ensued.
 
Jstamsek said:
There is no rootkit. A company would be insane to follow the path of Sony and the onslaught of lawsuits that ensued.
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Given what 2k has already done with this game it wouldn't shock me.

Companies that do this should not get your money.
 
shiznit said:
http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5993

this should be criminal.

fucking bullshit they closed the thread so more people wouldnt find out. I wonder if the demo was meant to prep the computer to detect future pirated copies?
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Why do all the good games, all the long awaited games or their demos have to sell out to anti-piracy or addware/spyware, like BF2142 did.

I know now that I won't be purchasing Bioshock, I don't need any ROOTKITS with my games or demos. I find that completely unacceptable. I hope Crysis doesn't let us down like this. :(
 
shiznit said:
use the sysinternals rootkit revealer and see waht happens.
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I ran Rootkit Revealer and it found 2 entries for my ATI driver with embedded nulls in the name (harmless).
Another was found in HKLM/system/controlset001/services/sptd/cfg which has always been present and gives access denied to Rootkit revealer.
I can browse there without issue and the entry is empty.

The demo hasnt placed anything untoward that I can find on my PC.
However, thats not to say that all versions of the demo are equal, some have reported issues installing, but downloading a different version sorts that out for them.
Maybe there is another version of the demo floating around.
Mine was obtained using a torrent if that helps (all the major sites were backed up to the hilt).

The sad thing is I will have to hold off installing the game until this is cleared up.
If it is indeed a rootkit, I will send it back.

BUT at this stage in the game there is no absolute proof it has a rootkit.
 
I downloaded the full game off of steam and haven't noticed anything weird on my dual boot machine with XP and Vista. I usally reformat about once a year or every six months anyway, so I could care less to be honest. I just like the game.
 
Just gotta say I think it's hilarious that everyone claims PC gaming is dying, PC gaming is selling out to consoles, blah blah PC gaming is over blah blah, but when a truly awesome PC game comes out, instead of supporting it to encourage more awesome games, people are nitpicking every single tiny thing they can and "refuse to support it".

That will get us more games! Let's not support the PC, so the 360 does the bulk of sales, and maybe in the future when the PC doesn't get anymore games we will all sit around and wonder why.

I doubt this rootkit is anything as horrible as it's being made to sound, but yea, I agree with the witch hunt mentality, people seem to be finding any reason they can to not buy this game, but those are the same people who will complain when developers simply stop bringing games out on the PC.
 
Roufuss said:
Just gotta say I think it's hilarious that everyone claims PC gaming is dying, PC gaming is selling out to consoles, blah blah PC gaming is over blah blah, but when a truly awesome PC game comes out, instead of supporting it to encourage more awesome games, people are nitpicking every single tiny thing they can and "refuse to support it".

That will get us more games! Let's not support the PC, so the 360 does the bulk of sales, and maybe in the future when the PC doesn't get anymore games we will all sit around and wonder why.

I doubt this rootkit is anything as horrible as it's being made to sound, but yea, I agree with the witch hunt mentality, people seem to be finding any reason they can to not buy this game, but those are the same people who will complain when developers simply stop bringing games out on the PC.
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See here is the thing.

I refuse to give companies my money if I don't like them. I'm well aware that refusing to buy bioshock for the PC will help encourage them to make more console and less PC games. While I love PC gaming I'd rather have the games go to consoles, or even have the company go broke, then give them a cent of my cash. I won't complain either, good riddance I hope the grass is greener on the 360.

Supporting PC gaming is no excuse to bend over and take it in the ass every time a new copy protection scheme or other such BS comes around the bend.

In fact it's the people willing to pay these companies that encourage this sort of "we can screw them left right and center and they will still pay!" behavior, and in fact even justifies it to a large extent.
 
Roufuss said:
Just gotta say I think it's hilarious that everyone claims PC gaming is dying, PC gaming is selling out to consoles, blah blah PC gaming is over blah blah, but when a truly awesome PC game comes out, instead of supporting it to encourage more awesome games, people are nitpicking every single tiny thing they can and "refuse to support it".

That will get us more games! Let's not support the PC, so the 360 does the bulk of sales, and maybe in the future when the PC doesn't get anymore games we will all sit around and wonder why.

I doubt this rootkit is anything as horrible as it's being made to sound, but yea, I agree with the witch hunt mentality, people seem to be finding any reason they can to not buy this game, but those are the same people who will complain when developers simply stop bringing games out on the PC.
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:eek::eek:

what version would you rather spend money on? a pirate version with none of this rootkit/acivation crap or the version with all the rootkits and crap on it?
 
Roufuss said:
Just gotta say I think it's hilarious that everyone claims PC gaming is dying, PC gaming is selling out to consoles, blah blah PC gaming is over blah blah, but when a truly awesome PC game comes out, instead of supporting it to encourage more awesome games, people are nitpicking every single tiny thing they can and "refuse to support it".

That will get us more games! Let's not support the PC, so the 360 does the bulk of sales, and maybe in the future when the PC doesn't get anymore games we will all sit around and wonder why.

I doubt this rootkit is anything as horrible as it's being made to sound, but yea, I agree with the witch hunt mentality, people seem to be finding any reason they can to not buy this game, but those are the same people who will complain when developers simply stop bringing games out on the PC.
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Its necessary to take a stand against abuse of our own property.
Its not quite like selling your soul - to allow bad things to happen to your PC just to play a game, but it sure feels like it.

There is a lot of bad can be done if there is a rootkit and someone else can gain control of it. Remember the Sony Rootkit??
Hell, I dont even want the game makers to have hidden control over my PC.
I dont trust anyone to make 100% secure software so this kind of code does not have a place on my PC.


However, it is still speculation whether there really is a rootkit.
Yet if you arent concerned about this, you're really missing something!
 
PoweredBySoy said:
Pirates are charging money now? Well good for them, those little entrepreneur's.
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no there not but i would rather spend it on that version than a version full of SHIT in it. Gone are the days where pirate games where a bitch to get it to work and when retail games worked flawlessly
 
All I have to say is Bioshock (huge 6GB download) is being downloaded by over 15,000+ people at the exact time you read this. (both PC version and XBOX360 versions combined)

15,000 x $50 = $750,000 :eek:

But if you are like me... money is tight and I wouldn't ever buy this game.. so you have to factor out those peoples' money. (I'd safely say at least a quarter of the people downloading are poor)

After typing that, I think that PC gaming can liven up a little if they IMPLEMENT 100% WORKING PIRACY PROTECTION, AND ALWAYS INCLUDE MULTIPLAYER. (This will get people who only need the CDKEY to buy the game.... i.e: Counter-Strike)

If you have those 2 things, there will be a lot more sales, hands down.
 
Nenu said:
However, it is still speculation whether there really is a rootkit.
Yet if you arent concerned about this, you're really missing something!
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I disagree. What exactly am I missing?

Some ficticious civil liberties that are being violated? Is my harddrive going to fry? Is someone going to take over my administrator account?

Because even if 2K did install some minuscule "rootkit" on my computer, do I really believe it to be malignant? Absolutely not.

I'm curious what terms of agreement relate to this when you clicked that little "yes" checkbox previous to install.

Now, is it unfortunate that we, as consumers, have to be subjected to these anti-piracy measures? Absolutey. Thank the fuckwads like the guy above me.
 
Luxor said:
All I have to say is Bioshock (grueling 6GB download) is being downloaded by over 15,000+ people at the exact time you read this. (both PC version and XBOX360 versions combined)

15,000 x $50 = :eek:

But if you are like me, I would of never bought the damn game anyways.. so you have to factor out those peoples' money. (I'd safely say at least half of the people)

After typing that, I safely can say that PC gaming can liven up a little if they IMPLEMENT 100% WORKING PIRACY PROTECTION, AND ALWAYS HAVE MULTIPLAYER. (This will get people who only need the CDKEY to buy the game, i.e: Counter-Strike)

If you have those 2 things, there will be a lot more sales, hands down.
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Not if the piracy protection is a jerkwad move (rootkits, online activation, limited keys) in that case I won't buy it no matter how good it is.

Now, is it unfortunate that we, as consumers, have to be subjected to these anti-piracy measures? Absolutey. Thank the fuckwads like the guy above me.
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Ahhh, but you don't!

And here is the funny thing, if you pirate the game you don't have to deal with anti-piracy measures.

Hence the entire concept is self defeating and does nothing but screw over valid consumers, beyond that it also provides a rational reason to pirate the product in the first place.

I have nothing against purchasing a product. But when the product vendor puts jackass DRM measures in it to prevent me from stealing it (which I didn't plan on doing in the first place), and then a pirated version comes out without those problems, well you'd have to be stupid to purchase a legitimate product.
 
Luxor said:
All I have to say is Bioshock (grueling 6GB download) is being downloaded by over 15,000+ people at the exact time you read this. (both PC version and XBOX360 versions combined)

15,000 x $50 = :eek:

But if you are like me, I would of never bought the damn game anyways.. so you have to factor out those peoples' money. (I'd safely say at least half of the people)

After typing that, I safely can say that PC gaming can liven up a little if they IMPLEMENT 100% WORKING PIRACY PROTECTION, AND ALWAYS HAVE MULTIPLAYER. (This will get people who only need the CDKEY to buy the game, i.e: Counter-Strike)

If you have those 2 things, there will be a lot more sales, hands down.
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100% WORKING PIRACY PROTECTION??

in your dreams mate. the same people who make these protections are the same people who crack them LOL
 
If this is a rootkit, where does it stop?
Imagine if every game comes with a rootkit, just how many rootkits can a PC handle without falling over?
If any one of the rootkits can be controlled via a flaw, your PC could easily fall under someone elses control.

My PC needs to work and I need to be able to trust that it isnt leaking my data to unknowns over the internet.
I also need to be able to trust suppliers of software.

2K games need to step and clarify what they do install on our PCs.
 
sd11 said:
Not if the piracy protection is a jerkwad move (rootkits, online activation, limited keys) in that case I won't buy it no matter how good it is.
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Online activation is jerkwad? Geez, you're in for a long future of software piracy me thinks. Even limited keys, which is used in damn near every piece of commercial software. That's just the world we live in these days.


sd11 said:
Ahhh, but you don't!
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True, techincally I don't. But that's not how I do things. The only reason these measures exist in the first place is because of piracy. No piracy, no annoying hoops to jump through.

I know it's probably just me getting old and cliche, but I believe the world is what you make of it. So I'm just doing my little part by supporting the game developers and not stealing their work. I've been gaming damn near my whole life, and I'd like to see it continue.

Oh, and I can bitch on the internet too! But that's just for fun.... I don't actually think I'm going to change anyones views and stop them from pirating.
 
PoweredBySoy said:
I disagree. What exactly am I missing?

Some ficticious civil liberties that are being violated? Is my harddrive going to fry? Is someone going to take over my administrator account?

Because even if 2K did install some minuscule "rootkit" on my computer, do I really believe it to be malignant? Absolutely not.

I'm curious what terms of agreement relate to this when you clicked that little "yes" checkbox previous to install.

Now, is it unfortunate that we, as consumers, have to be subjected to these anti-piracy measures? Absolutey. Thank the fuckwads like the guy above me.
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I explained it in black and white.
If it hasnt dawned on you by now, I cant help you.
 
FILEPLANET has better anti-piracy protection then the people who make the games... :rolleyes:
 
Online activation is jerkwad? Geez, you're in for a long future of software piracy me thinks. Even limited keys, which is used in damn near every piece of commercial software. That's just the world we live in these days.
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We only live in this world because the consumer keeps saying "I love DRM please make it worse, please bring on more and more". When you keep paying for it, you endorse it, you vote for it.

The only reason these measures exist in the first place is because of piracy. No piracy, no annoying hoops to jump through.
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These hoops create piracy. There are three groups of people that will pirate this game.

1. The people who wanted it but weren't going to pay for it in the first place.
2. The people who didn't care, weren't going to buy it, but DL'd it for the hell of it.
3. The people who got pissed off over the DRM, and DL'd it instead of purchasing it because of it.

I don't see how this stops piracy at all.

So I'm just doing my little part by supporting the game developers and not stealing their work.
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You're also doing your part to support DRM buy paying for products with it. And if this is a rootkit, you're doing your part to make sure other companies put rootkits in their products by saying it's OK with your cash that you sell to them.

I've been gaming damn near my whole life, and I'd like to see it continue.
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I don't see how endorsing DRM helps gaming continue. All it does is make sure that people who would have purchased the game pirate it, it also pisses people off.

One of the great arguments for a gamer to ditch PC gaming and move to consoles... well 2k games just became one.
 
At the risk of being flamed back to the stoneage, I'm gunna go and say it anyway...


Rootkits aren't always inherently bad. Personally I only hate stuff that runs in the background using up memory and clogging up a cpu. As far as I'm aware, whatever rootkit 2k games has used doesn't run all the time in the background, so it's not doing anything to your computer while you're not playing Bioshock. Quicktime system tray, Realplayer tray etc etc are far worse evils in my opinion.

Anyway, rootkits aren't necessarily malicious programs, it's simply a way to hide things from the operating system. There are plenty of rootkit finder programs out there that let you see them, and there are plenty of useful apps that use rootkits.



Did you know that DaemonTools is technically a rootkit?

Yes, ironically, the very program that lets you emulate a cd drive using copy protection to play protected games without the CD is in itself a rootkit because it hides itself from the operating system in order to work.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
I made no argument that the hoops actually stop piracy, because we all know they don't.

And I'm not supporting DRM, I'm supporting the game developers by giving them money for their product, and not taking the easy way out by pirating it. You act like I'm buying stock in SecureRom or something.

You know, during all these piracy discussions lately, I've been trying really hard to bite my tongue on the whole "PC gaming is dying" standpoint. Because PC gaming has been on the forefront of gaming tech for years, and it has always been my platform of choice. But if it's not dying, it's seriously f'ed up right now - and something drastically needs to change to save it. At the very least, there has to be a movement to digital distribution (and protection) and a complete abandonment of hard media.
 
Ah...PC gaming. We get the first good game in about a year and I can't seem to find anything but negativity about it. I'm not saying that these issues aren't there, but MAN is this getting ridiculous. PC games are dying because people nitpick everything to death.
 
FILEPLANET has better anti-piracy protection then the people who make the games... :rolleyes:

Soy, game makers are getting pirated because they are fucking lazy in my opinion... I constantly see an unfinished game rushed for release, full of bugs, and they don't want to spend money on developing a patch. THIS IS THE REAL REASON PC GAMING IS "DEAD".

If they can't implement a simple way to keep people from stealing their games, not fixing bugs in their games, and especially not trying to help customers AT ALL... then why would people want to spend $50 (a lot of money to some people) for a piece of software that MIGHT work on their computer. After all, when I open the game its MINE no matter what.... if the box had a blank CD then I am SOL because NO STORE will give a refund on open-box software.

You have to look at it from other peoples point of view, Soy.... like I said, most people PIRATING the game aren't EVER, EVER going to buy it anyways so pointing the finger at them is wrong.
 
NEWS FLASH!!!!

I installed BioShock on my PC and................

NOTHING HAPPENED!!!!

My computer runs just like it did before I installed the game. The game itself runs without a hitch since I meet the minimum system requirements. I didn't have any issues with activation, because I didn't try to install it on a bajillion PC's, and I have to say that this is a phenomenal game!

I can't remember a game released in recent history with such critical acclaim that has negatively stirred up the gaming community so much. All in all I don't see what the big fuss is all about. In any event if you want to continue to make gripes about the game, then so be it. I personally will be having a blast playing this incredible game :D
 
what is funny about this, is daemon tools/alcohol120 are rootkits that no one cares about..

infact these are some of the bigger tools in piracy..
 
Luxor said:
Soy, game makers are getting pirated because they are fucking lazy in my opinion... I constantly see an unfinished game rushed for release, full of bugs, and they don't want to spend money on developing a patch. THIS IS THE REAL REASON PC GAMING IS "DEAD".
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Absolutely. And that too is a large part of my dissatisfaction towards PC gaming lately. And again, PC gaming is by far my platform of choice. But this past year I've just seen too many piss-poor games released. Either it's unfinished, buggy, or a half-assed port...

Gothic 3, Silent Hunter 4, Shock Force, Shadowrun, NWN 2.... all huge disappointments for me. I think the best game I've played all year was Tomb Raider. That game ran flawlessly and was fun as hell.

And then when a stellar game does come out, the community (at least the vocal part) do whatever they can to tear it apart, just like Domingo (
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k. I'm done ranting. Love.

Luxor said:
You have to look at it from other peoples point of view, Soy.... like I said, most people PIRATING the game aren't EVER, EVER going to buy it anyways so pointing the finger at them is wrong.
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I don't know, then why do I keep seeing countless posts by people saying, "Fuk 2K for getting sand in my vagina.... now I'm just going to pirate it!". Amusingly enough, most of these people are sporting quad cores and 8800's.
 
PoweredBySoy said:
Gothic 3, Silent Hunter 4, Shock Force, Shadowrun, NWN 2.... all huge disappointments for me. I think the best game I've played all year was Tomb Raider. That game ran flawlessly and was fun as hell.
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First time I'm disagreeing with you.

Shadowrun sucked everwhere :D

(360)
 
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