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i have an old k8v deluxe motherboard i want to use for a new gaming system but after reading lots of threads i understand socket 754 has a "single memory controller"???

i was planning on purchasing a 3700+ for it. now im not sure if the money is really worth it. should i sell this mobo and buy a 939?

would a socket 939 3500+ cpu (512kb L2 Cache) do a better job in a gaming computer than a socket 754 3700+ (1mb L2 Cache)

i want to keep this motherboard and save some money but dont want to waste £155 on a 3700+ that wont run games very well.

i will be running it with the following:

2GB 400Mhz CORSAIR Value
256MB Sapphire x800 Pro

Kind regards. chris
 
maybe sell it, and go ahead and upgrade to 939 as long as u have a PowerSupply and videocard that supports pCi express.or sell those things too and upgrade all together

just a suggestion
 
listen,


just wait, dont upgrade, and hold off the uipgrade, save money, save the upgrade money for later,

stay with a 754 and get the 3700, or the 4000+ mobile chip, thare nice,


754 is kick ass still, its a value socket, as 939 is soon to be, hold off till next gen chips come out,

754 is like 939 now
except
no sli
and no 4 slots for memory,

single memory controller mesans 3-7 less fps in games
 
all i have at the moment is the motherboard. i dont want a superfast computer i just want a pc that can run battlefied 2 and css well smoothly with no stuttering with a good frame rate.

i dont have much to spend you see and buying another mobo will cost an extra £50

im worried that a skt 754 3700+, 2 gb pc3200 value select and an agp 256mb sapphire x800 pro wont do this :mad:
 
i would also love to be able to play rainbow six lockdown at 1024x768 REALLY SMOOTHLY. eye candy dont bother me much but lowing the visial quality too much affecting online gameplay does. do you know what sort of framerate i would get with this setup?
 
754 vs. 939 is still debateable as per the performance increase. There are precious few applications that show off the 939 platform. Oh, and a 3700+ 754 should perform roughly the same as a 3700+ San Diego (939).
 
Socket 754 still rocks. I recommend the new s754 Venice 3000+ cpu, though. Its 90nm just like the s939 Venice and has SSE3 support. Plus it runs cooler than the Clawhammer core cpu's and requires 1.4v on the vcore instead of 1.5v. You'll need to flash the bios but that is easy to do. All the latest bios revisions are on the Asus website.
You can easily overclock the 3000+ Venice to at least 2.55 ghz from its stock 2.0 ghz speed and it is a lot less expensive than the 3700+ Clawhammer. Newegg has them for $120. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103606 Don't waste your money on an expensive Clawhammer - get the newer, better Venice core and have some overclocking fun! I've got one and I love it. I run Half-Life Deathmatch and Half-Life2 Deathmatch with mine easily as well as HL2 Lost Coast. No problems at high settings with an X800Pro video card, either. Your games will run great, trust me. You can't beat the X800Pro for price/performance value.
 
A 3700+ S754 would be just a little bit slower than a 939 4000+. The both have the same clock frequency and cache memory amount. The only difference is that the 4000+ has the dual channel memory controller, which in real world experience, is only a small increase in performance (~5% or so). I say to go for it. The 3700+ will handle any game you throw at it. I just picked up a PCI-E 754 board for my 3700+ and plan to hold onto it for a while. However, unless you go with a newer mobile processor, you will be limited by the memory controller. With that 3700+, you will be forced to default to PC2700 speeds at 1T with 2 gig of memory.

/lightning edit


Oooh. Forgot about the 3000+ Venices.
 
you will be forced to default to PC2700 speeds at 1T with 2 gig of memory
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Interesting. I just run 1 gig of memory and I can go to either DDR333 or DDR 400 on my 3700+ Clawhammer. I have the 3400+ Clawhammer (rev C0), 3700+ Clawhammer (rev CG) and the 3000+ Venice (rev E6). They are all fine cpu's and run games at mach speeds but I just like the 3000+ Venice because it is so affordable and so overclockable. If you are not planning on doing a large overclock and want to stay near stock speeds the 3700+ is a great cpu. I have a 3700+ cpu and an AGP VisionTek X800Pro video card in my work system. Its 1.5 years old and still more than able to handle my cadd work and gaming. Plus I've run it up to a 2.6 ghz overclock (right at 4000+ mhz) with no problems. Needless to say its faaaaast
 
I think I may be wrong. Its all in the memory configuration. I think you can do pc3200 but at 2T. I dunno. Others are obviously more well versed in such subjects.

Nothing wrong with S754 though. 754 is not going to limit you in games.
 
im still going to go for the 3700,
With that 3700+, you will be forced to default to PC2700 speeds at 1T with 2 gig of memory.
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would this affect gameplay alot??
 
SameSuspect said:
im still going to go for the 3700, would this affect gameplay alot??
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Take what I said with a grain of salt. I'd ask one of the gurus over in the memory sections to clairfy for you. This whole memory situation with A64 confuses me at times.



In reality, no it wouldn't.
 
You will have no problems with your games. With 1 gig (2x512) of PC3200 DDR400 value ram you'll be just fine. At stock cpu speed with no overclock you can run the 2:1 divider (DDR400) all day long. The 3700+ runs great and the X800Pro is a fine video card. You'll be owning people with better systems than yours, trust me. And doing so for far less $$$ too! :D I do.
Don't be concerned about the memory configuration. It is a known fact that ram dividers don't hurt the Athlon 64 performance wise. I run my ram divider on my Venice 3000+ at DDR266 with timings of 2.5-3-3-7 1T with an overclock of 255x10 and it screams. The Clawhammers don't overclock as well as the Venices but that's not as big a deal as some think. Like I said I can hit 217x12 with my 3700+ at DDR333 or DDR 400 with Ultra PC3200 DDR400 ram and lots of people think this is junk ram. All I can say is it works for me and cost next to nothing after the rebate.
Don't run command rate 2T as it hurts performance - always run 1T if possible. You should have no problems with timings of 2.5-3-3-7 1T or 2-3-3-6 1T with any value ram out there.
 
:D :D :D should help things along a bit. thanx for your feedback people i highly apreciate it. still worried about this 2700mhz thing tho lol thanx
 
Remember - he said that 2700 was with 2 gigs of ram. Run 1 gig and you won't have any trouble with either DDR400 or DDR333. It will run just as fast either way. I speak from experience with 2 socket 754 systems and 3 socket 754 cpu's. I switch the 3400+ and 3700+ on my K8V mobo. And you won't need a bios update on the mobo if you use the 3700+ either, unless you want to play with cpu multipliers for overclocking. Otherwise - just bump the front side bus up to around 215, set your ram divider to DDR333, leave the Hypertransport Bus speed alone (although you could back it down to 3x just to be safe) and go. Heck, I've overclocked my system by leaving the ram at DDR400, Hypertransport bus at 4x (800mhz) and upping the front side bus to 218x12 and it runs just fine.
 
i have never overclocked before and dont understand most of the stuff you are coming out with lol but iv printed this off so once i learn il have this thread to help me out :), thanx.

one last thing. do you know of a good, "userfriendly" thread or website that explains overclocking and the rest of stuff you mentiond about ram timings. thanx again

never mind, iv found one
 
i say go for the 4000+ and then find oput bout overclocking, trust me, you want to study it firsty
 
4000+ is a socket 939 cpu - he needs a socket 754 cpu and the 3700+ is as high as you can go with socket 754. I've gotten my 3700+ to 2.6 ghz and its plenty fast. 0.2 ghz doesn't sound like much - but you can really see and feel the difference. :)
I still say the Venice 3000+ for socket 754 is the best s754 cpu for the buck but you have to be willing to overclock it hard. Since he isn't comfortable with doing that the 3700+ is a great choice.
 
Be careful about what people recommend to you here, some really don't know as much as they say:

For instance many are recommending the mobile chips without knowledge of whether your motherboard supports them, there are only a handful of motherboards that actually support the mobile chips (two I know of are the DFI lan party board, and the MSI original nforce 3 board - my shuttle also works with the processor) however also realize that even when these mobile chips work with the mobo they sometimes to default to low multiplier/low voltage which also makes them hard to work with, I would definitely not recommend a mobile chip for you as even more expert OCers have difficulty with them.

Also realize your motherboard uses a via chipset, as far as I can remember the old via chipsets are not very good for OCing so chances are your not going to be hitting a 255 fsb and therefore not going to be OCing a 3200+ to 2.55 ghz easily.

Good comments are that there is very little performance difference between socket 939 and socket 754 maybe about 5% at equivalent speeds. The 3700+ will be more than adequate for any gaming with a quality vid card.
 
agreed. You are probably right about the VIA chiset. I'm using nForce 4 to get those figures although I don't see a problem getting the 3000+ Venice to 2.4 on a K8V mobo. But all in all the 3700+ would probably be best for all around performance, especially for someone who is not familiar with overclocking or bios flashing.
 
Just to clear things up, when a poster earlier mentioned that 2 gigs of ram will need to be run at 2t, that isn't necessarily true. If you're using four DIMMs, each 512, then yes, you will need to run at 2t. However, with 2x1gig sticks, you'll be able to run at 1t just fine.


Also, that won't make much of a difference at all in terms of performance in general because of the on-board memory controller.
 
The 3700+ will run any game out there without issue even with single channel ram, the video card will be the concern. The s754 3700 will be comparable to a s939 3700 as it is actually a little faster mhz wise to make up for the single channel memory controller.
 
I was under the impression that installing two double sided DIMMs would reduce memory to 2T at PC3200 speeds.
 
i really apreciate all the feedback. everything thats mentiond to me on here i am looking into, im using this as a guide because this is the 1st time i have attempted a build and want to make sure im getting the best for the money. im sticking with the 3700+ as i dont want to bother with overclocking yet untill i know exactly what im doing. iv also changed my mind and spending an extra 70 on an agp nvidia bfg 7800, as well as the 2gb corsair value. thanx very much for all the replys as this has propa helped me decide on what i exactly need, for my amazing gaming skills ;). Im going FROM a nvidia 32mb tnt 2, 256mb sdram and a 1.0 ghz cpu lol, to this beast! so you can understand why i want to double check with everything. (which im glad i have done) no need for more replies, thanx fellas
 
Pretty much everything that's been said up to now I agree with.

The single-channel memory controller is hardly a problem, I enjoy my 3400+ NewCastle a lot and with a K8N4-E Deluxe motherboard and the performance and flexibility is great.

The 3700+ clawhammer is a very powerful CPU and all the games you mentioned should run very well at 1024. I run every game at 1024x768 with a 6600gt and am very satisfied with the performance.

Your upgrade is going to be a huge leap, have fun building this machine and enjoy it! If you're like me and don't mind low fps in certain games/areas, you can hold onto that computer for a good while after you build it. I wouldn't worry about overclocking it, either. I'm confident you will get the performance you need with everything at stock. Have fun!

[edit] As mentioned prior, do not get a mobile CPU.
 
ep1taph said:
Pretty much everything that's been said up to now I agree with.

The single-channel memory controller is hardly a problem, I enjoy my 3400+ NewCastle a lot and with a K8N4-E Deluxe motherboard and the performance and flexibility is great.

The 3700+ clawhammer is a very powerful CPU and all the games you mentioned should run very well at 1024. I run every game at 1024x768 with a 6600gt and am very satisfied with the performance.

Your upgrade is going to be a huge leap, have fun building this machine and enjoy it! If you're like me and don't mind low fps in certain games/areas, you can hold onto that computer for a good while after you build it. I wouldn't worry about overclocking it, either. I'm confident you will get the performance you need with everything at stock. Have fun!

[edit] As mentioned prior, do not get a mobile CPU.
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Fully agreed with the pro s754 posters out there. The 754 vs 939 debate is crazy. If you compare stock proccies with stock proccies, I'll go s754 over s939 just because AMD puts too much into their performance ratings on that dual channel. Give me the extra 200mhz than the dual channel support. Dollar for Dollar, s754 a64's cannot be beat.

For that setup, I'm sure that you can run BF2 @ 1280x1024 with moderate AA (I run 2x) medium/high textures and get about 80fps.

My setup uses a 6800gt, 2gb of ram and a 3400 newcastle (all bone stock) and I can run just about everything at high detail @ 1280x1024 at more than acceptible frame rates.

For example, Doom3 timedemo yields 96fps @ high quality 1024x768 (IIRC)

You will be happy with the performance and your wallet will be heavier as well.
 
Hey, I just picked this up. They are quick and cheap if you are interested in pikcing up the 3700+. I say do it and go the PCI-E route so you can easily upgrade down the road. Check this link out:

Cheapguys

Seems like we might have somewhat of the same setup. The Asus K8V-SE Deluxe is a solid board for running at stock but horrible at OC. I have the 6800 AGP which supposedly does not like the DFi Nforce3 250gb when playing games thru punk buster. I'll tell you though it seemed that my 3000+ bottlenecked my 6800 at stock. I can get high res. with the 3700+ in Bf2 with 45-70 fps in 50-64 player boards with the 3700+. IDK anything about the venice because I do not have it.
 
cherrypik said:
I have the 6800 AGP which supposedly does not like the DFi Nforce3 250gb when playing games thru punk buster.
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Please clarify your sources or provide proof. I'm calling shenanigans with PB problems being attributed to hardware. :)
 
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