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big adv shortage again?
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Read here.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1648719
It seems this may not be a shortage but rather Stanford prioritizing SMP units because not enough people are using them. It definitely sucks but it doesn't sound like it will be going away soon, we should probably make a rolling thread for 'What WU's are you currently getting?' to avoid having a whole pile of threads like this.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1648719
It seems this may not be a shortage but rather Stanford prioritizing SMP units because not enough people are using them. It definitely sucks but it doesn't sound like it will be going away soon, we should probably make a rolling thread for 'What WU's are you currently getting?' to avoid having a whole pile of threads like this.
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From what I read on SF forum, they are moving servers and we should expect bigadv SMP shortage for couple weeks (http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=19906&p=198054#p198054)
That's not the problem. Vijay confirmed to me via direct conversation this morning that it's because of a backlog of SMP WUs that have a much higher priority to science.
Vijay said:
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If that's the case, we - donors - would love to see that in public announcement. Not just "keep it private - secret" 
-- which makes many donors to question about the issue.
If you can ask him to put it in public, we really appreciate your help.
-- which makes many donors to question about the issue.If you can ask him to put it in public, we really appreciate your help.
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No one is talking about gpu units here and I certainly hope the don't elect to nerf the points. However, bigadv desperately needs a requirements overhaul to get it back to the highend hardware for which it is intended. When 200 dollar desktop cpu's from both AMD and Intel can run the units, there is nothing special or extreme left about them. By the same note, the traditional SMP units need their point structure updated to properly account for the highend hardware that will be folding them and be able to reward accodingly.
Having been on IRC this morning, it sounds like we are thinking along the same lines as the greater folding community as well as PG in terms of solutions. Hopefully this means we can get fixes implemented sooner than later.
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ha the i7 920 was $200 for a LONG time, and chewed through bigadv very well.
anyway, I dont mind doing the dirty work, I just got back from a short F@H break and was thinking there was something wrong with my end.
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Be careful what you wish for. Vijay himself said that he feels bigadv units are still overvalued.
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mean the fact that evga is a gpu team for the most part and [H] is mainly a cpu folding team.
so by holding us back on big adv for little smp units. again just conspiracy hat on.
also i just noticed we went from high 900+ users down to mid 700s wtf is going on there
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I would guess summer fallout, we've seen a number of new users joining in the last month or so.
As for bigadv, it was never meant to be run on single processor machines and I wouldn't fall too in love with the idea that it will for much longer. Stanford needs to revise the SMP point structure so that it is fair and balanced across the full range of multi-core, single processor machines even without bigadv.
I also think that EVGA has a number of 2600k folders now too, I'd be interested to see how much of their output comes from gpu versus smp.
Just divide points for the past month or something by # of Wu. Higher average = more bigadv
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If you look at there daily stats it looks like all of there top 20 folders are running some 6903 / 6904 WU's
but the majority of there points are from GPU clients. there top 20 doesn't even compare to ours.
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According to EOC, for the month of October:
[H]ardocp generated 568,058,240 points from 118,416 work units. This works out to an average points per work unit value of 4797.
EVGA generated 665,533,595 points from 332,439 work units. This works out to an average points per work unit value of 2002.
I'm not sure of any way to draw a precise client distribution from this but a couple of things are readily apparent.
- [H]'s average ppwu is close to that of an SMP client running on a 2600k. Given the amount of bigadv we run, there has to be a significant amount of gpu or slow cpu units being contributed for [H] to even keep it this low.
- Evga's average ppwu, while less than half of [H], is still well above even the largest gpu work units. Given many gpu work units are worth less than 1000 points, this shows significant SMP/Bigadv deliveries pulling it up.
My finger in the wind guess here would be that something in the ballpark of 50% of EVGA's output may be coming from cpu clients, if anyone has a better way to easily verify this please chime in.
At the very least, EVGA would definitely be affected by bigadv restructuring and I actually imagine it could work out in our favor. If bigadv requirements move upward, we are much better positioned with 2P machines to utilize them while the 2600k's and such will switch to smp. I don't think any of us have the data to make a legitimate prediction here, but EVGA certainly has more in the game than just GPU's and if the bulk of this added output is from 1P CPU's they may be more affected by a new bigadv baseline.
[H]ardocp generated 568,058,240 points from 118,416 work units. This works out to an average points per work unit value of 4797.
EVGA generated 665,533,595 points from 332,439 work units. This works out to an average points per work unit value of 2002.
I'm not sure of any way to draw a precise client distribution from this but a couple of things are readily apparent.
- [H]'s average ppwu is close to that of an SMP client running on a 2600k. Given the amount of bigadv we run, there has to be a significant amount of gpu or slow cpu units being contributed for [H] to even keep it this low.
- Evga's average ppwu, while less than half of [H], is still well above even the largest gpu work units. Given many gpu work units are worth less than 1000 points, this shows significant SMP/Bigadv deliveries pulling it up.
My finger in the wind guess here would be that something in the ballpark of 50% of EVGA's output may be coming from cpu clients, if anyone has a better way to easily verify this please chime in.
At the very least, EVGA would definitely be affected by bigadv restructuring and I actually imagine it could work out in our favor. If bigadv requirements move upward, we are much better positioned with 2P machines to utilize them while the 2600k's and such will switch to smp. I don't think any of us have the data to make a legitimate prediction here, but EVGA certainly has more in the game than just GPU's and if the bulk of this added output is from 1P CPU's they may be more affected by a new bigadv baseline.
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Just uploaded a 6904.
Just started a 6903.
Just started a 6903.
It isn't really a shortage it turns out. The bigadv severs are getting slammed. And when a slot isn't opend it goes back to regular SMP.... that is underused.
Slammed to the point where my 6903 from yesterday won't upload, just tried qfix and that hasn't helped
They do have some big iron over there - just been browsing their forums and there are a fair few in there that have 2p/4p machines. Also seem to be a fair number of people with GPU farms and 2600k's.
My 2600K hasn't got a bigadv unit in the last 2 days. It keeps pulling SMP tho. Staying busy, but it's still a 11000 PPD hit. At least my sig rig has been pulled a couple 6904s.
I wonder what supprise VJ intends to unleash upon us?
It is more the DAB. We are hashing stuff out now.
K, When I hear VJs name and talk like that, I've leaned to worry.
A big part of the problem with EVGA is, we've been slowly losing active folders.
Active Folders
EVGA: 1,193 for 21,409 PPD on average/member
HARD: 755 for 24,572 PPD on average/member
755 active members is a far cry from where we used to be.
Active Folders
EVGA: 1,193 for 21,409 PPD on average/member
HARD: 755 for 24,572 PPD on average/member
755 active members is a far cry from where we used to be.
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A big part of the problem with EVGA is, we've been slowly losing active folders.
Active Folders
EVGA: 1,193 for 21,409 PPD on average/member
HARD: 755 for 24,572 PPD on average/member
755 active members is a far cry from where we used to be.
Anyone think we could get a front page plug to pull in some more folders? We are in prime recruitment time with the onset of cool weather.
With the next giveaway coming, and with how spiffy it is..... I want ideas to get as many people folding as possible.
Sexy!
We have gotten front page plugs every Monday and Friday for at least the last 6 months. If anything, it may be too much saturation.
The front page contest plugs are much more effective for the obvious reason, but also because they are unique.
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I see Steve or Kyle post it on the front page quite often, but I think it gets a lot less attention than articles and contest announcements.
One thing that may help some is to have an eye-catching picture of some sort when it is posted. Usually I see the same blurb every time, which is just text like this:
What specifically does EVGA do that attracts so many folders to their team?
They offer evga bucks good for purchase of B stock products for participation.