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BFBC2: considering upgrading

I ran a fraps benchmark with a 32 player server on the new vietnam map Vantage Point. Here are the results:


Frames Time (ms) Min Max Avg
14447 189069 31 97 76.411

Settings:
[WindowSettings]
Width=1920
Height=1080
Fullscreen=true
RefreshRate=60
VSync=false
[Sound]
Quality=medium
VoipEnable=true
SpeakerCount=0
[Graphics]
Effects=high
Soldiers=high
Vehicles=high
Overgrowth=high
Undergrowth=high
StaticObjects=high
Terrain=high
Shadows=high
Bloom=true
HSAO=false
MSAA=3
Water=high
MainQuality=custom
Texture=high
DxVersion=auto
Aniso=4
Detail=high
RenderAheadLimit=2
Fov=90

My signature contains my rig.
 
nvidia cards had stuttering in bc2, its fixed now for me after installing the 266.44 drivers.

it runs ten times smoother for me now, loads faster, and best of all the screen tearing is gone.
 
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DualOwn said:
nvidia cards had stuttering in bc2, its fixed now for me after installing the 266.44 drivers.

it runs ten times smoother for me now, loads faster, and best of all the screen tearing is gone.
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where did you get driver and mod, I try it on my pc.
 
x3sphere said:
I don't experience any stuttering personally, on an i7 paired with a 6970. No low FPS when looking through a scope either. Nvidia or AMD card? could be driver related.

I do experience a significant dip during explosions, which is likely CPU related, since turning down the res does not improve frame rate.
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Well, its not low score, but just lower about ten FPS. I have HD6850 with CCC 10.12

I actually don´t think its CPU related becouse I have high OCed Core i5 760 on 4.2GHz, is plenty of performance.
 
Here are the results of a weekend of benchmarking with a new 460 on my Phenom II X3 720. All detail was set to Medium and 1xAA, 16xAF. These settings are playable on the 4850 for me, so the 460 should do really well, right?:

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And here is why the 4850 performed better than the 460:

460:
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4850:
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I tried the 266.44 leaked drivers as well - it did nothing to the low gpu usage on the 460, so now I'm a very sad panda.

shiz - great info. Appreciate all the work you put in and have shared.

nobody_here - get a life
 
Jodiuh said:
Where's the thanks for telling you not to even mess w/ this?
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To be fair, Jodiuh did this to me when he knew what I was buying this weekend -
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And if we're giving credit where credit is due, I bounce more ideas off jod in IRC than anyone else. The guy knows his stuff. Ya happy now, pretty princess?? :)
 
tlbig10 said:
Here are the results of a weekend of benchmarking with a new 460 on my Phenom II X3 720. All detail was set to Medium and 1xAA, 16xAF. These settings are playable on the 4850 for me, so the 460 should do really well, right?:

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And here is why the 4850 performed better than the 460:

460:
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4850:
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I tried the 266.44 leaked drivers as well - it did nothing to the low gpu usage on the 460, so now I'm a very sad panda.

shiz - great info. Appreciate all the work you put in and have shared.

nobody_here - get a life
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Dude....I thought we were talking about a GTX460 1GB card....not the gimped 768Mb model. On that model the GPU is gimped, the memory bus is gimped, the memory capacity is gimped and it has slower memory to begin with.....to be honest...I would have recommended the 4850 over the GTX460 768Mb card.......I think everyone else in this thread has been talking about and comparing their 1Gb models wondering why you are having issues.......

Get a life indeed.....don't buy the gimped model next time and complain about the performance and ill get a life, deal?
 
nobody_here said:
Dude...to be honest...I would have recommended the 4850 over the GTX460 768Mb card...
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QFT!

Also, I'd recommend an HD 4890 2000 MB over the GTX 570 1280 MB. The 570's been gimped and has the lower MB's.
 
nobody_here said:
Dude....I thought we were talking about a GTX460 1GB card....not the gimped 768Mb model. On that model the GPU is gimped, the memory bus is gimped, the memory capacity is gimped and it has slower memory to begin with.....to be honest...I would have recommended the 4850 over the GTX460 768Mb card.......I think everyone else in this thread has been talking about and comparing their 1Gb models wondering why you are having issues.......

Get a life indeed.....don't buy the gimped model next time and complain about the performance and ill get a life, deal?
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Time to unplug, buddy.
 
nobody_here said:
it's completely relevant, the 768Mb gimped model is quite a bit of a lesser card than the 1Gb models....
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He was talking about the low GPU usage for the GTX 460. Are you saying that GTX 460 768mb has this problem because it's a "gimped" version of the 1gb model? I can assure that its being gimped has nothing to do with its inferior performance to the 4850. Nvidia's drivers are responsible.
 
A 768mb GTX 460 should outperform a 4850. Something's wrong. Power supply issue? Overheating?

In before lock :p
 
ordovician said:
A 768mb GTX 460 should outperform a 4850. Something's wrong. Power supply issue? Overheating?

In before lock :p
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It's Nvidia's drivers (which are often touted as being superior to ATI's). :rolleyes:

Some people with Fermi GPUs noticed a dramatic improvement in BFBC2 performance by using the 266.44 beta drivers, but many others did not.
 
Something is definitely wrong. I just built my brother a computer with an i7 950 (running stock) and a 768MB 460 over Christmas and it shreds through BC2 multiplayer (did not give him Vietnam, so we are talking vanilla) with everything on high and quite a bit of AA (at least 4x when I left, I'll ask him again later). I'm tempted to say it's either a cpu bottleneck or you need to turn your settings up (definitely should be able to run it on high if your cpu is not restricting you). Running 260.99 on windows 7 64bit with 6gb ram. His machine is outperforming my q6600 / 5870 combo -- this game loves cpus.

The only issue I've seen with his setup in this game is the occasional pink blip on the screen -- something I had never seen before.

fyi. BC2 Vietnam seems to run at a much higher and more consistent framerate on my machine than vanilla did.
 
To clear the air, I'm not looking for help since I know what the issue is, but rather, I'm providing data to help others who may be seeing an issue and don't know why. There is a bug with Nvidia drivers and Phenom II processors (and sometimes with Intel cpu's) that cause fermis to run at ~50% load, a bug that is not present with my 4850.
 
tlbig10 said:
To clear the air, I'm not looking for help since I know what the issue is, but rather, I'm providing data to help others who may be seeing an issue and don't know why. There is a bug with Nvidia drivers and Phenom II processors (and sometimes with Intel cpu's) that cause fermis to run at ~50% load, a bug that is not present with my 4850.
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Well it can't be just those two factors because there are plenty of people with Fermis and Phenom IIs without any problems. That's all I have been saying all along.....I have a Phenom II and a Fermi and mine rips through BFBC2.
 
nobody_here said:
Well it can't be just those two factors because there are plenty of people with Fermis and Phenom IIs without any problems. That's all I have been saying all along.....I have a Phenom II and a Fermi and mine rips through BFBC2.
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It'd be great if you could replicate my test just to confirm. 1920x1200, medium detail, 1xAA, 16xAF, HBAO off and Vsync off. Join a populated 32/32 person Cold War map, run fraps for 5 minutes, and take a screen shot of your GPU usage when you're done.

If you'd like, you can send me the fraps spreadsheet of the FPS and I can add that to my line graph.
 
tlbig10 said:
To clear the air, I'm not looking for help since I know what the issue is, but rather, I'm providing data to help others who may be seeing an issue and don't know why. There is a bug with Nvidia drivers and Phenom II processors (and sometimes with Intel cpu's) that cause fermis to run at ~50% load, a bug that is not present with my 4850.
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I have had a very similar prob with my 5870. It would randomly cut my fps in half. The 10.12 drivers seem to have fixed it though.
 
tlbig10 said:
It'd be great if you could replicate my test just to confirm. 1920x1200, medium detail, 1xAA, 16xAF, HBAO off and Vsync off. Join a populated 32/32 person Cold War map, run fraps for 5 minutes, and take a screen shot of your GPU usage when you're done.

If you'd like, you can send me the fraps spreadsheet of the FPS and I can add that to my line graph.
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i would if i had a monitor that could do that resolution, but i dont, i want to upgrade it but that was on the short list of things to so its last...my 19" widescreen is working just fine for the time being at 1440x900 native res.

i would gladly do it if i could. i can run it at 1440x900....
 
nobody_here said:
i would if i had a monitor that could do that resolution, but i dont, i want to upgrade it but that was on the short list of things to so its last...my 19" widescreen is working just fine for the time being at 1440x900 native res.

i would gladly do it if i could. i can run it at 1440x900....
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The key thing is the GPU usage...it should be pegged to 98-99 nearly 100% of the time. Run Precision and see what your GPU usage is when you play BC2 in a 32 man server.
 
Hi, today I noticed strange thing. When doing simple survey wheather OC my GPU GDDR5 from 1100 to 1200 helps (well, and it does, by 1 FPS gain on 70 FPS :) )

I noticed this:

I was playing about ten minutes on Oasis. Anyway, besides Gigabyte has really cool 6850, with 63 celsius in 35% fan speed, you can notice that fourth core is running 100%, but three first are just about 50 %....

What ybout you? Do you experience this? Is there an fix for it? Thanks.
 
nissanztt90 said:
The key thing is the GPU usage...it should be pegged to 98-99 nearly 100% of the time. Run Precision and see what your GPU usage is when you play BC2 in a 32 man server.
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I don't know if it was a 32 man but last time I checked it was maxed out. Same with Crysis all maxed out 4xAA my gpu is pegged and so is memory usage...all1024Mb
 
nobody_here said:
I don't know if it was a 32 man but last time I checked it was maxed out. Same with Crysis all maxed out 4xAA my gpu is pegged and so is memory usage...all1024Mb
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You're so close to understanding what we're talking about.

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^ That right there is what we want to see, a screenshot of Precision right after playing BC2 (not a "I think it was maxed out"). If your graph is pegged at 100% during BC2 (and only BC2) during a 5 minute interval on a 32 person server while playing Cold War with the settings I specified, then I'd agree something could be wrong on my end and will need further investigating. I'm not trying to upset you, just making sure we're clear of our goal.
 
if the cpu is not fast enough for the gpu then you wont be seeing a high gpu usage, even if bc2 supprorted 64 man server.

gpu's like 580 require fast and oc'd cpu's in order to reach high gpu usage.

if you have a much weaker gpu then its most likely that it will run 99% with a normal cpu.

so people who are buying high-end gpu's but have weak cpu's, dont expect high gpu usage in games.
 
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DualOwn said:
if the cpu is not fast enough for the gpu then you wont be seeing a high gpu usage, even if bc2 supprorted 64 man server.

gpu's like 580 require fast and oc'd cpu's in order to run at high gpu usage.
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We are very aware of that, thank you. The issue still exists on high end overclocked C2Qs where GTX 460s will only see about half GPU usage, yet when simply changing platforms (regardless of clock speed!) GTX 460 usage jumps to 100%.


pokevitek: What CPU and setup are you running? My C2Q is fairly balanced accross cores between 60 and 80%.

Can anyone confirm if this happens with GTX 570s and C2Q?
 
my GTX 460 hovers around 40-50% usage in BC2 and Black Ops, with my Q6600. my train of thought is inline with DualOwn's post above.
 
pokevitek said:
Anyway, besides Gigabyte has really cool 6850, with 63 celsius in 35% fan speed, you can notice that fourth core is running 100%, but three first are just about 50 %....

What ybout you? Do you experience this? Is there an fix for it? Thanks.
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Check your GPU load with MSI Afterburner. If that is 100% during a game, then your GPU is the bottleneck and therefore the CPU doesn't have to work as hard.
 
Porter_ said:
my GTX 460 hovers around 40-50% usage in BC2 and Black Ops. my train of thought is inline with DualOwn's post above.
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if you had a fast i7 right now it would hover 99% constant in bc2.

blackops is a lazy console port that uses alot of cpu and very little gpu so no driver will ever fix that game unless the entire game code is re-written.
 
tlbig10 said:
Check your GPU load with MSI Afterburner. If that is 100% during a game, then your GPU is the bottleneck and therefore the CPU doesn't have to work as hard.
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Which is good. You're getting the goody out of the video card.
 
tlbig10 said:
That shouldn't be the case. Welcome to the issue we're discussing :)
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i understand the issue you're discussing, just thought i'd weigh in with my experience. i'm not terribly concerned at the moment since i'm upgrading platforms soon. hope you get it resolved :)
 
nobody_here said:
Which is good. You're getting the goody out of the video card.
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Exactly!

DualOwn said:
if you had a fast i7 right now it would hover 99% constant in bc2.
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This wasn't directed at me, but I want to apply it to my situation as I think you're implying that Porter's Q6600 is a bottleneck. If my low GPU % was due to my "slow" Phenom II, can you explain why the 460 performed 22% worse than the 4850 with all things being equal?
 
Porter_ said:
i understand the issue you're discussing, just thought i'd weigh in with my experience. i'm not terribly concerned at the moment since i'm upgrading platforms soon. hope you get it resolved :)
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Great, thanks. Your experience is more evidence of the problem. I'll wager you'll see 100% gpu usage with that 2500k in BC2. Just realize it's not so much the speed of the 2500k, but rather not being hampered by Nvidia's driver problem.
 
tlbig10 said:
This wasn't directed at me, but I want to apply it to my situation as I think you're implying that Porter's Q6600 is a bottleneck. If my low GPU % was due to my "slow" Phenom II, can you explain why the 460 performed 22% worse than the 4850 with all things being equal?
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i am indeed bound by my Q6600. i went from a 5770 to a GTX 460 and my framerate in BC2 stayed exactly the same - the only thing that changed is my 5770 was working at ~75% usage (iirc) and my 460 is 40-50% usage. your issue, as you describe it, does sound like something is wonky. you should at the very least see equivalent performance (as i'm sure you've stated already in this thread).

the difference between you and I is that i did not see a decrease in performance.
 
Porter_ said:
i am indeed bound by my Q6600. i went from a 5770 to a GTX 460 and my framerate in BC2 stayed exactly the same - the only thing that changed is my 5770 was working at ~75% usage (iirc) and my 460 is 40-50% usage. you're issue, as you describe it, does sound like something is wonky. you should at the very least see equivalent performance (as i'm sure you've stated already in this thread).

the difference between you and I is that i did not see a decrease in performance.
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I'm no expert with the Q6600, but that sure blows and I know exactly what you're talking about. I went from a 7800GT to a 4850 and saw zero gain with my old X2 3800+. Only when I went to the Phenom II X3 720 did I see the GPU usage max out and an increase in frames.

Wait, you were cpu-bound with a 5770? I'd like to hear other people's take on that.
 
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