BF2142 ships with spyware?

Damn, Nvidia makes that much more than ATI? I didn't know it was like that... :eek:

but seriously...wtf is EA thinking? hacking our system kernals...its gotta be illegal somewhere.
 
Chernobyl1 said:
to Mark_Warner

rofl.
nice post, but pssst, dont give them ideas to propagate this further.

My issue is privacy.
How many programs do you trust to have kernel access and be able to monitor your habits?
By having a program that can potentially do what it likes on your PC and has internet access, a world of hell could be opened.

Just about everything has exploitable flaws or makes use of other code which can be exploited, I cant see this being any different.
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That is exactly the point I was making about EA fucking it up. There is no need for kernel mode access to the OS for a fucking game.

It seems that in-game advertising isn't going to go away. It has permeated every other medium out there, so gaming is a logical step for it. Since they are going to do it, I just want it to be useful....oh, and not screw my computer up or expose me to threats. :D
 
Mark_Warner said:
I think that the extent to which consumers are inflicted with advertising is out of control. When I was a kid, a 30 minute TV show had about 21-22 minutes of show and 8-9 minutes of commercials. These days, it feels like there is much less show and many more commercials happening. Not only that, now we have to put up with advertising in all of the corners of the screen during the programs. I find that unacceptable.

Now, even going to the movies (which used to be a commercial free experience, except fot the trailers, of course), you have to sit through 3 to 5 minutes of the same fucking commercials you see at home. Only now, you can't change the channel or mute the sound. You just have to sit through it and suffer.

I have almost gotten used to banner ads all over the internet, to the point where I don't even notice them anymore. Not only that, but my cookies, cache, and history clears automatically on every reboot (thank you tweakui!), so I end up seeing all the same ads all the time...the default ads for people without a lengthy surfing cache.

Ads in video games? I'll be the first to admit that it sounds offensive at first, but it could be beneficial. What if you got coupon codes emailed to you for seeing (or interacting with) certain ads, or other kinds of benefits? I think there are ways it could work, but I don' t think we'll see it for a while now. Product placement would be cool....Coca-Cola cans or NY Times newspapers littering the ground. It could be cool, if only for the novelty aspect.

But then, what if you could interact with the product placement? Use it the way the real product is used? What if the in-game NY Times was the real deal you could pick up and look through, or the Coke can had coca-cola in it that had some benefit in the game (stamina, HP, whatever)? It would be cool but, again, not likely to happen.

To sum up, it could be cool (even USEFUL), but I think EA is going to fuck it up for everyone. The suberfuge of not telling users about it before-hand is really low, even for EA.

They should be ashamed of themselves, for not putting the notice on the outside of the box or, fuck,even TELLING the IGN or GameSpot people about it before the game came out would have been the right thing.

It's a shame, because I really wanted to play this game, but now I shan't be buying it.

-Mark.
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Very well put. Talking about movies I remember going to see The Bourne Supremacy and seeing an ad for it before the movie. I couldn't believe it. They showed a preview for the movie we were getting ready to watch. Movies can also show good use of product placement. You see coke and pespi in all sorts of movies, in Minority Report you saw a cool looking lexas, demolition man had taco bell winning the restaurant wars(which is the best product placement ever), etc. Most of the time they are put in to make the story seem more realistic which is real nice. Game could do this too. How cool would it be to see a real news reporter from cnn in splinter cell on the in game news reports? Same with in like GTA going to a burger king or something instead of a fake place. Maybe the gym could be a golds gym. Things like that add to realism which is good in my book. Think most publishers will fuck it up though.
 
QuimZ said:
No EA games-> we lose PC gamers, we lose a variety of PC games, companies don't sell hardware, prices go up, hardware companies go out of business, other gaming companies follow suit and look at PC gaming as a dead trend (which individuals already claim daily), we end up paying more retail for hardware to play less games, and eventually we're playing on consoles, because the hardware isn't available or there's no competition because the hardware is too expensive to produce, so you get socked into today's equivelant of a 7600GT for like $400.
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EA Games being driven out of the industry or collapsing on itself would be a good thing, don't kid yourself into thinking that all of a sudden a lot of good games would stop being made. Developers would still develop, they would just do so independently.

Independant efforts, be they film, music, or games tend to be the ones that really keep things moving. Sure, indies can put out a lot of shit as well, but big media conglomorates are never the ones to really break new ground. They just buy up the companies that do, then rehash the same old shit until some independant comes up with a new good idea for them to buy.

See, if you remove EA from the picture, you remove a lot of people getting rewarded for nothing more than having enough money to buy the talents of others and suck them dry for a quick buck. You return to the gaming world the incentive to make not just 'okay' games, but great games. EA can afford to muscle competition out of the market so that they can continue to push out a mediocre product. Return real competition and suddenly mediocricy is no longer rewarded.

I have a feeling if all of EA's franchises disappeared tomorrow, within 2 years there would be a whole suit of companies competing to fill those niches and doing so in truly innovative ways. You think Will Wright would just stop making games if EA disappeared? You think all the people working on Madden wouldn't find work somewhere else? That's incredibly naive.
 
Maybe someone should let Microsoft know that EA is telling its customers to uninstall a critical security patch to allow them to play a game. This could make MS look bad inturn.
 
reminds me of a futurama episode.

LEELA: Didn't you have ads in the twentieth century?
FRY: Well, sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio... and in magazines... and movies, and at ballgames, and on buses, and milk cartons, and T-shirts, and bananas, and written in the sky. But not in dreams, no sirree.
 
nigerian_businessman said:
EA Games being driven out of the industry or collapsing on itself would be a good thing, don't kid yourself into thinking that all of a sudden a lot of good games would stop being made. Developers would still develop, they would just do so independently.

Independant efforts, be they film, music, or games tend to be the ones that really keep things moving. Sure, indies can put out a lot of shit as well, but big media conglomorates are never the ones to really break new ground. They just buy up the companies that do, then rehash the same old shit until some independant comes up with a new good idea for them to buy.

See, if you remove EA from the picture, you remove a lot of people getting rewarded for nothing more than having enough money to buy the talents of others and suck them dry for a quick buck. You return to the gaming world the incentive to make not just 'okay' games, but great games. EA can afford to muscle competition out of the market so that they can continue to push out a mediocre product. Return real competition and suddenly mediocricy is no longer rewarded.

I have a feeling if all of EA's franchises disappeared tomorrow, within 2 years there would be a whole suit of companies competing to fill those niches and doing so in truly innovative ways. You think Will Wright would just stop making games if EA disappeared? You think all the people working on Madden wouldn't find work somewhere else? That's incredibly naive.
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Good points. But to think If EA went out that other big names like Vivendi and Activision wouldn't snag the chance at rights to franchises and offer lofty sums to good devs would also be incredibly naive.

EA games has distribution and resources that 99.99999999999% of independent developers can't touch. Independent developers sell out because in the industry today, producing a full retail game that can compete with big names... can't be done like it could be 20,15, or even 10 years ago. It takes serious time, man-hours and a hell of a lot more people. Why do you think these small companies get acquired?

I'm not saying it can't be done, it's just a hell of a lot more difficult than in the past.

Keep in mind, we're debating a "wild theory, that is unlikely to say the least."
 
Mark_Warner said:
I think that the extent to which consumers are inflicted with advertising is out of control. When I was a kid, a 30 minute TV show had about 21-22 minutes of show and 8-9 minutes of commercials. These days, it feels like there is much less show and many more commercials happening. Not only that, now we have to put up with advertising in all of the corners of the screen during the programs. I find that unacceptable.

Now, even going to the movies (which used to be a commercial free experience, except fot the trailers, of course), you have to sit through 3 to 5 minutes of the same fucking commercials you see at home. Only now, you can't change the channel or mute the sound. You just have to sit through it and suffer.

I have almost gotten used to banner ads all over the internet, to the point where I don't even notice them anymore. Not only that, but my cookies, cache, and history clears automatically on every reboot (thank you tweakui!), so I end up seeing all the same ads all the time...the default ads for people without a lengthy surfing cache.

Ads in video games? I'll be the first to admit that it sounds offensive at first, but it could be beneficial. What if you got coupon codes emailed to you for seeing (or interacting with) certain ads, or other kinds of benefits? I think there are ways it could work, but I don' t think we'll see it for a while now. Product placement would be cool....Coca-Cola cans or NY Times newspapers littering the ground. It could be cool, if only for the novelty aspect.

But then, what if you could interact with the product placement? Use it the way the real product is used? What if the in-game NY Times was the real deal you could pick up and look through, or the Coke can had coca-cola in it that had some benefit in the game (stamina, HP, whatever)? It would be cool but, again, not likely to happen.

To sum up, it could be cool (even USEFUL), but I think EA is going to fuck it up for everyone. The suberfuge of not telling users about it before-hand is really low, even for EA.

They should be ashamed of themselves, for not putting the notice on the outside of the box or, fuck,even TELLING the IGN or GameSpot people about it before the game came out would have been the right thing.

It's a shame, because I really wanted to play this game, but now I shan't be buying it.

-Mark.
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Here is the problem though...I play video games to get away from real life and all its stresses. The last thing I want is to be bombarded with ads like I am every where else throughout the course of the day. The line has to be drawn somewhere. I know that we think it would be cool to see Burger King in GTA or something similar but only because of the novelty of it because it doesnt happen much right now. I feel that if this became the norm we would get sick of it pretty quick.
 
I believe that it collects information on your online activities and serves adverts to you in game based on what you did online.
 
Look that this. They are banning spyware talk here at totalbf2142. EA has said it just keeps track of which ads you look at in game.

http://www.totalbf2142.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5072


"t seems your attention to detail lacks somewhat (possibly why you are so easily duped into thinking this is 'spyware'). Check the stickies and look for something along the lines of: NO MORE adware/spyware threads - I refer you to...

The downside of the blogosphere is that every geek with a net connection and 100 bucks can spend an entire year trying to get advertising money by artificially bloating a small situation into a massive drama. Afterwards, impressionable guys like yourself will buy right into it like it's the next velcro or something.

BOLD TEXT-Essentially, the in-game advertisement system in Battlefield 2142 utilizes methods that most spyware use. By analyzing your computing and browsing habits, EA/IGA uses that data to provide targeted ads. It is unknown if spyware scanners detect and classify Battlefield 2142 as malicious.END BOLD

The bolded text is the key part of that article that has been an absolute lie. It's been officially stated by DICE/EA that this will not do anything more than give them the ability to see how long you spent looking at an ad inside of the game. Nothing will be tracked outside of the game, period.

With the official game out in parts of the world, not a single person has yet to refute this statement (and it is easy to check if what they say is true).

I know you guys like fighting 'big brother' because you got screwed on your phone/electric/mortgage/lunch bill, but EA hasn't done anything that Steam and many many many games haven't already done.

I'll let the mods have their way with this thread as you have obviously jumped the gun in posting (much like you jumped the gun in assuming and accusing).

/rant
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but EA hasn't done anything that Steam and many many many games haven't already done.
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Yeah, I forgot about all those viagra and mortgage ads on Dust2 and on the side of Office.
 
JHefile said:
Look that this. They are banning spyware talk here at totalbf2142. EA has said it just keeps track of which ads you look at in game.

http://www.totalbf2142.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5072


"t seems your attention to detail lacks somewhat (possibly why you are so easily duped into thinking this is 'spyware'). Check the stickies and look for something along the lines of: NO MORE adware/spyware threads - I refer you to...

The downside of the blogosphere is that every geek with a net connection and 100 bucks can spend an entire year trying to get advertising money by artificially bloating a small situation into a massive drama. Afterwards, impressionable guys like yourself will buy right into it like it's the next velcro or something.

BOLD TEXT-Essentially, the in-game advertisement system in Battlefield 2142 utilizes methods that most spyware use. By analyzing your computing and browsing habits, EA/IGA uses that data to provide targeted ads. It is unknown if spyware scanners detect and classify Battlefield 2142 as malicious.END BOLD

The bolded text is the key part of that article that has been an absolute lie. It's been officially stated by DICE/EA that this will not do anything more than give them the ability to see how long you spent looking at an ad inside of the game. Nothing will be tracked outside of the game, period.

With the official game out in parts of the world, not a single person has yet to refute this statement (and it is easy to check if what they say is true).

I know you guys like fighting 'big brother' because you got screwed on your phone/electric/mortgage/lunch bill, but EA hasn't done anything that Steam and many many many games haven't already done.

I'll let the mods have their way with this thread as you have obviously jumped the gun in posting (much like you jumped the gun in assuming and accusing).

/rant

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Spyware issue aside, they have instructed EA customers to uninstall Windows security updates to have stable gameplay-unacceptable by any standard.

Additionally, there is an issue in the way all of this came about. The consumer was not given a chance to decide whether or not they wanted the spyware before they purchased it. It's only after the purchase, when it's really too late in most cases, that the consumer finds out about it.
 
Gibby82 said:
Spyware issue aside, they have instructed EA customers to uninstall Windows security updates to have stable gameplay-unacceptable by any standard.

Additionally, there is an issue in the way all of this came about. The consumer was not given a chance to decide whether or not they wanted the spyware before they purchased it. It's only after the purchase, when it's really too late in most cases, that the consumer finds out about it.
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That's just my point. Without being able to talk about these sorts of things together as a group we couldn't come to a conclusion. By totalbf2142 banning this type of discussion they are keeping members there in the dark so they still buy the game.
 
JHefile said:
That's just my point. Without being able to talk about these sorts of things together as a group we couldn't come to a conclusion. By totalbf2142 banning this type of discussion they are keeping members there in the dark so they still buy the game.
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Yeah, I realized I replied more to your quote than you. Sorry about that, it's a bit early for me. :eek: :)

I agree with you. The forums have been where a majority of info has come from. I would make a bet that EA/Dice gave folks at TotalBF2142 a nudge in the ribs about it.
 
Lol - I love the comment about the ads are only required "if you play on-line". What are the odds it has a rich single player...
 
heelix said:
Lol - I love the comment about the ads are only required "if you play on-line". What are the odds it has a rich single player...
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LOL-rich single player...hahahahaha....lol..... :D
 
Mark_Warner said:
Now, even going to the movies (which used to be a commercial free experience, except fot the trailers, of course), you have to sit through 3 to 5 minutes of the same fucking commercials you see at home. Only now, you can't change the channel or mute the sound. You just have to sit through it and suffer.

I have almost gotten used to banner ads all over the internet, to the point where I don't even notice them anymore. Not only that, but my cookies, cache, and history clears automatically on every reboot (thank you tweakui!), so I end up seeing all the same ads all the time...the default ads for people without a lengthy surfing cache.
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I no longer watch TV on TV because of adverts, I refuse to watch it with adverts. I download my TV eps and buy the DVD's, this works out more expensive than just watching them on TV but it's an expense I'm willing to pay.

I ALWAYS turn up to the movies/cinema 15 minutes late, I refuse to have adverts forced on me before my movie expereince.

[[Info on blocking ads removed due to rules - sorry didn't realise]]

I think ads are just too intrusive to the entertainment they're injected into, I don't want to see that crap just before something exciting is about to happen.
 
Replicant1911 said:
Here is the problem though...I play video games to get away from real life and all its stresses. The last thing I want is to be bombarded with ads like I am every where else throughout the course of the day. The line has to be drawn somewhere. I know that we think it would be cool to see Burger King in GTA or something similar but only because of the novelty of it because it doesnt happen much right now. I feel that if this became the norm we would get sick of it pretty quick.
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I'm afraid to say that I don't think you will have that ability much longer. The problem is that the only line that we as consumers can draw is simply not buying the game. I'm sorry for saying that the enthusiast crowd are in the minority of people that buy these games. Us not buying BF2142 because of advertising will not make advertising go away. The publisher's core loyalty is to their stockholders, not their customers. EA can make more money by pushing ads to you, so they will do just that. As obnoxious as ads are, they make many things possible that you and I take for granted. I still haven't seen any pictures of what the ads in BF2142 actually look like, so I can't comment on their presentation within the game, whether they are up-front and obnoxious or more subtle.

The inexcusable part of the BF2142 advertising system is not the ads themselves. The problem is the potential security threat that BF2142's implementation exposes you to, by having you remove a critical security patch for your operating system. THAT is inexcusable and is the stuff of class-action lawsuits.
 
This is some Fkdup shit.

It's easy to take advantage of this. There must be a way to sue them.

While buying the game, does it say explicitly on the box that there is spyware which if you do not accept to install you can't play?

Man, I live in Canada but there in the US you should be able to sue them hard.

If this is the future of software then it's ugly.
 
Mark_Warner said:
Us not buying BF2142 because of advertising will not make advertising go away. The publisher's core loyalty is to their stockholders, not their customers.
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I am sorry to inform you, but you are incorrect. Companies exist to solve problems. The only reason any company exists is because they are offering a solution to a problem that people are willing to pay money for. This means that without customers, there are no companies. EA is in the business of providing people with means to spend their free time. If people decide that looking at advertisements is sufficiently detrimental to their experience, EA has failed at poviding and adequate solution to the problem that customers have.

If the "PC games" market were competitive, there would be a substitute product that would offer a similar experience without the ads, which either could demand a price premium or increase its market share if not including spy/adware is a competitive advantage.

While EA's management is accountable to the stock holders, since they have money invested in this venture. Being accountable does not mean that EA would not exists without shareholders (there are plently of privately held companies), but EA certainly would go down the drain without customers, since shareholders demand a positive return on their investment. Trust me, if EA lost a good chunk of market share, stock owners would take notice.
 
syntx said:
This is some Fkdup shit.

It's easy to take advantage of this. There must be a way to sue them.

While buying the game, does it say explicitly on the box that there is spyware which if you do not accept to install you can't play?

Man, I live in Canada but there in the US you should be able to sue them hard.

If this is the future of software then it's ugly.
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There is a piece of paper with a printed warning inside the package that tells you not to install or play the game if you don't want the advertising. The crappy thing there is that it is inside the box, and I don't know of a single retailer that will take opened games back for a refund.
 
syntx said:
This is some Fkdup shit.

It's easy to take advantage of this. There must be a way to sue them.

While buying the game, does it say explicitly on the box that there is spyware which if you do not accept to install you can't play?

Man, I live in Canada but there in the US you should be able to sue them hard.

If this is the future of software then it's ugly.
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You are more likely to that Canadian regulations are on your side than American ones. I recall there being some court cases in Germany when usage protected CDs were not labelled as such. While Canada is less social-democratic than Germany, it is moreso than the USA, hence you may have decent laws protecting you from abuse.
 
This game should be an investment. You buy the game, you play the game, EA makes dollars from advertisements, 10% of the ad money should kick back to the players, i wish. That's how it should be. If we actually bought the game we would be making money for EA. It's like free labor, except we have to buy our own uniform and tools.
 
drizzt81 said:
You are more likely to that Canadian regulations are on your side than American ones. I recall there being some court cases in Germany when usage protected CDs were not labelled as such. While Canada is less social-democratic than Germany, it is moreso than the USA, hence you may have decent laws protecting you from abuse.
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Oh I am not saying Canadians wouldn't be able to make a case but the payout would be very small. In the US if you can make a case you'll likely get some good money.
 
I can't comment on their presentation within the game, whether they are up-front and obnoxious or more subtle.
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They stand out and aren't that subtle. I can't find the pictures I saw, but they weren't pretty.
 
I would also like to see some screen shots of what the in-game ads look like.
 
Looks like the convo is slowly turning to reluctant acceptance...

But, that's the way it works! This issue will lose steam soon enough... I'm really opposed to ad's in game, but, what can I do?

And come on, seriously... Don't you think that a company like EA, instead of spending large sums of money to have employees doing crowd control and damage control on message boards would first spend exponentally more money on high priced lawyers to make sure this issue won't come back and bite them?

I'm sure they've done their homework and they've done a little risk management... A few angry gamers on message boards is something they can sluff off with ease.
 
I saw a couple coke and pepsi ads, but was unsure whether or not they're real. They looked awful and incredibly distracting. If the plot line's about war, when did they have time to build these billboards? Can they be destroyed?
 
drizzt81 said:
I am sorry to inform you, but you are incorrect. Companies exist to solve problems. The only reason any company exists is because they are offering a solution to a problem that people are willing to pay money for. This means that without customers, there are no companies. EA is in the business of providing people with means to spend their free time. If people decide that looking at advertisements is sufficiently detrimental to their experience, EA has failed at poviding and adequate solution to the problem that customers have.
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I hope to GOD you don't work for a corporation because YOU are incorrect. Where do you get your information? Corporation exist only to make money. They don't solve problems. Non-profit organizations solve problem. If you run your business on the notion that not having video games is a problem, then your are artificially creating the problem by creating the video games. EA doesn't solve problems, they create demand in order to make money.
 
What would be the legal implications of starting up an "Information" website describing all the issues with BF2142 and what potential buyer/players could do to avoid all the aforementioned problems (In other words, explaining why they should not buy the game)?
 
There will be commercials in our dreams soon, won't there?

Telling customers to remove a security patch to play a GAME is really bad (guess i'm preaching to the choir here...)

Combined with the godawful loading times, lack of widescreen support (in an a-tier game in 2006, no less) and now this...gonna have to pass on this one.
 
[FX]Roman said:
Looks like the convo is slowly turning to reluctant acceptance...

But, that's the way it works! This issue will lose steam soon enough... I'm really opposed to ad's in game, but, what can I do?

And come on, seriously... Don't you think that a company like EA, instead of spending large sums of money to have employees doing crowd control and damage control on message boards would first spend exponentally more money on high priced lawyers to make sure this issue won't come back and bite them?

I'm sure they've done their homework and they've done a little risk management... A few angry gamers on message boards is something they can sluff off with ease.
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I think most people aren't going to buy the game. I am watching the stock fall a bit-roughly a dollar. We'll see if it drops more. I sure hope so!
 
I would be a little more accepting IF:

the ads were static and not targeted (by person, by region, whatever). Non-static ads are just going to cause more cufusion when players reference a ad in-game, but everyone sees different ads.

the ads added to experience, rather the detracting. i.e. soda machines, newspapers, parked vehicles, the same sort of things you would expect to see.

the ads reduced my cost to play the game. If 2142 was say $30 instead of $50 I think all of us would have a slightly different opinion. 'nuff said.

I was informed about the ads before purchase. In this case I was informed, but no thanks to EA. This is the biggest offense IMO.

Well, since EA/Dice has failed on all accounts, I'm not accepting and will not be buying.
 
J3RK said:
Don't know if this was already posted here, and how much truth there is to it, but:

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/739/739991p1.html
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I just read this and have to quote a bit:
Specifically, IGA's software uses the IP address for geotargeting of in-game ads (so that European ads are not shown to those in the U.S., for example).
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I think this is the biggest problem. The ads should be targeted to the "environment" and not the player. If the map setting is in the US, then the ads should be approprite and in English (even for German players for instance). I the map is set in France, then I would expect ads in French, even for US, UK and German players. If I'm playing a game set in Japan I expect to see Japaneese ads, not English.

It also creates a unique user number that's generated locally, and is able to re-identify the gamer when he next appears online.
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I don't want my ad viewing experience tracked...period!

In addition, IGA's in-game ad solution does capture the time of day that the user started to play each gaming session - Townsend mentioned, as an example, that "if the brief says 'Males 18 to 34'", the ads may only be served between 6pm and 9pm on a weekday evening or similar, to replicate 'primetime' viewing.

The time that each ad impression takes place is also recorded by IGA, alongside what type of ad content it was (billboard, megaboard, or video stream), the duration (how long was the ad seen for), the size of the ad relative to the player, and the angle of deflection (what angle the ad is viewed at).
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This is just taking it way too far. I suggest everyone that owns the game go stand in front a billboard and then go AFK for a couple of hours. I wonder how they would like them numbers? I can envision a community movie based on this: a intense battle, then suddenly all players stop fighting and turn to look at a billboard. All of the players approach the billboard in awe. There is some lite chatter and one palyer says "Wow! That is a nice Dodge!". Another players say, "Huh? That's a BMW you idiot!". A third player says "Don't you tards know a Honda when you see one?" Everyone starts arguing over what ad is displayed, then the bullets start flying again.

Also, I just saw on CNBC that Nielson is going to be using their TV boxes to start tracking what games are being played in your living room by listening to the sound of the game being played. They plan on presenting this data to advertisers to better place ads in games (such as what TV shows gamers watch, etc). This is starting to get out of hand and need to be nerfed NOW.

I guess I should note that I don't watch ads, and I'm not about to start now. CNBC is the only TV I watch live (to keep up on the stock market). All other TV shows I record and use BeyondTVs wonderful commercial skip feature. I haven't seen a prime-time commercial in ages. BTW, I don't own EA (ERTS) stock and never will becasue of what they have become. I owned THQ (THQI) and Activision (ATVI) up till yesterday (I had to take some profits). I still own some Midway (MWY).
 
J3RK said:
Don't know if this was already posted here, and how much truth there is to it, but:

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/739/739991p1.html
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To quote from the IGN boards regarding that article

Arithon__UK_ said:
So it's not "full blown" spyware?

Like, some programs are only sometimes a virus? It's spyware, it records information from your PC and transmits it across the internet to a commercially interested party. How is that NOT spyware
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I think that tells it exactly, let alone all the other security issues it brings to the table
 
BarneyGumble said:
I hope to GOD you don't work for a corporation because YOU are incorrect. Where do you get your information? Corporation exist only to make money. They don't solve problems. Non-profit organizations solve problem. If you run your business on the notion that not having video games is a problem, then your are artificially creating the problem by creating the video games. EA doesn't solve problems, they create demand in order to make money.
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But he is right, if people dont buy the game then theres no money.

Another company seeing EA fall from this wouldnt copy them, they would find another way to do it.
 
YARDofSTUF said:
But he is right, if people dont buy the game then theres no money.

Another company seeing EA fall from this wouldnt copy them, they would find another way to do it.
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Does anyone here smoke? :rolleyes:
 
[FX]Roman said:
Does anyone here smoke? :rolleyes:
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I'm not saying the ads wont come from another company, but that they would try to add them a different way.

Purcahsing the game sure as hell isnt a better way to express your negative thoughts towards it, and thats probably what will happen with this. Everyone will complain and say EA sucks and then go buy it.
 
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