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Best Wireless Router

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Hyuukai

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I am looking for a router that is strong enough to be able to network to another house about 100meters accross a field with nothing else in the way and to have very little blackspots within my house. Any ideas?
 
ewww dlink, and buffalo! how dare you kids!
try a basic linksys coupled with a cantenna, you wont regret it.

and this has nothing to do with my stock options on cisco :D
 
like the last two post you want something high gain, that beeflo and dumb link wont do so good if its sitting in your house and trying to access in another home, outside antenna is the best route, plus better signal
 
Ok well like i said i want to get wireless across a field thats about 100metres away into another house, im happy to use antennas cantennas ect but i want a nice powerful router first
 
ive tried linksys,dlink, and netgear...the best one so far is my apple airport exteme basestation..
 
We use a buffalo here at work and it has great range. We also have top of the line Cisco AP's which run about $600 (discounted price) and I can say the buffalo give cisco a run for it's money. 100 meters should not be aproblem, but what is a problem is metal in the walls. That will block signal significantly. Walls in residential buildings should not be a big problem
 
Ok someone link me to a router recommended to go 100meters across a field and into my friends house made of brick lol
 
Hyuukai, to put it nicely you are not going to find a consumer router (by itself) that lets you do what you are asking. It doesn't matter if you spend $50, 100 or even $500.

You would have a lot better luck getting a good router for yourself and your own wireless clients (i.e. the DIR-544 or DGL-4500) and then get two buffalo WHR-HP-G54 or Linksys WRT54GL's, flash them with dd-wrt, add cantenna's to them and set one at your house and one at your friend's to function as a wireless bridge. If you can get the Buffalo's, I prefer them over the Linksys but Buffalo has a lawsuit against them right now so you'll have to rely on store stock.

You're looking at something that is going to be a project - not an off-the-shelf solution.

Also, if it's your property you might want to look at running some fiber optic cable between the two locations - use a media convert at either end to convert it back to standard RJ45 network cable connections.

Edit: Something else for you to try...

I've never used these myself though they look like they might just do the job for you and be cheaper and easier to install in the long run:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833168010

Put one on your house pointed at your buddy and the other at his house pointed back at you. Configure it for WDS and ta-da. You should still have a router to hand out DHCP and do all the normal duty stuff inside your house but you could use this to offer network to your buddy's house.
 
At the very least you're going to want to set something up that will do WDS. I prefer the buffalo WHR-HP-G54 routers for this flashed with DDWRT. Before running out and buying antennas you can try boosting the signal in the router at each end and see if you can get them talking to each other. If the signal is too weak and your budget allows for it you can go out and buy some of the aftermarket antennas. 100 meters is right around the breaking point if there are no obstructions.

Next step would be to install an external antenna.
Directional: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833998003
Omni-Directional: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833998031

The shorter the coax cable for either of those, the better. I'm going to assume the reviewer on that second link had too long a coax cable that knocked the signal down. 1 - 2m cable at the most.

BTW: if you have trouble finding any WHR-HP-G54s, I have about 50 of them in stock.
 
Ok please be a little more plain english to get the network could i just use a router at there house and a router at main that could connect to each other? and i would need two cantenn'as? thats if i have a complete direct line of sight right?
 
If both routers supported WDS and you had line-of-sight and a directional antenna at each point you could do that.

I'd recommend you set up a router at your location to handle gateway duties and then purchase two additional WDS units like these OR purchae two Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 (if you can find them), two directional antenna's that are compatible (such as the direction Yagi's that were linked or Cantenna's) and load DD-WRT firmware on the HP-G54's. You'd set the WHR-HP-G54's into ap/rip2 router mode instead of gateway mode, configure WDS so that they link up to one another, put one at your house pointed toward your friends house and the other at his house pointed back at yours.

I've never used these but if you went with them then they are already in outdoor boxes and are made for this sort of thing - you wouldn't need to purchase yagi's or cantenna's, only an additional router for your house to serve DHCP and handle gateway functions.

This project may be worth contacting a local wifi consultant about as there are a lot of settings involved. There are guides available on dd-wrt's website for WDS and quite a few online as well, you'd just need to read up. It may be worth hiring a consultant though to get it done right the first time. :)
 
Ok so whats the best router for range as i need a new one and who knows 200meters really isnt that far with a directional atenna
 
Hyuukai said:
Whats the best comercial router for range? .........
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For networking to another house...I'd not take a single wireless router approach, but rather go with a few wireless directional point to point units. There are some good outdoor antennas you can mount for this purpose from several venders, but they cost a bit..several hundred dollars each for entry level units.
 
Hyuukai said:
Its only 200 meters!!! it really cant cost or be that hard
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Take a look at this article (at least the section on 802.11G), and then realize you are asking a lot. You want something that's really pushing the limits of commercial grade equipment, you want it cheap, and you want it now. You've had some very good suggestions, I'd take a look at those.
 
Hyuukai said:
Its only 200 meters!!! it really cant cost or be that hard
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It can and it will. You've got a good number of suggestions thus far - try those. If you still have trouble, contact a local consultant to do the work for you. Just because you can plug your ipod into an $5 FM transmitter and listen to it in the car doesn't make wireless networking "easy." Check my signature for more information.
 
Hyuukai said:
Whats the best comercial router for range? .........
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You should focus your attention on antennas (and antenna set up) more than the router; the antennas are what's really going to make or break your set up. Reread the earlier posts with this in mind; there's some good advice here.
 
outdoor, no i havnt indoor yes i have, but i dont want to really spend over uhhh 500dollars, if i cannot get it to go that far whats the best single commerical router for distance? some sort of rangemax?
 
Hyuukai said:
outdoor, no i havnt indoor yes i have, but i dont want to really spend over uhhh 500dollars, if i cannot get it to go that far whats the best single commerical router for distance? some sort of rangemax?
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You don't seem to get what we're trying to tell you - you are not going to have much luck with a "single" router here, you're going to need to set up a router at both ends with good directional antenna's pointed at one another. Re-read some of the earlier posts for suggestions on what models to use, you can put it together for under $500 but it's not, nor will it ever be, a boxed solution.

Your house:
Internet Connection ---> Router ---> Cantenna/Directional High Gain Antenna <---->

Your second site:
<----> Cantenna/Directional High Gain Antenna ----> Router ----> Computers

The "Router" connected to the directional antenna at each end of the link must support WDS or bridging. Models that support this have already been listed. Just about anything that can be loaded with dd-wrt firmware will support this venture, some better than others. Google "cantenna" or purchase some good directional antennas.

You'll also probably need some outdoor housing for the routers and cantennas at each site in order to keep the equipment stable during the weather. And all of this assumes you've got clear line-of-sight as well. This is not a simple undertaking.
 
even with these ideas and im not stupid, i know what people where suggestion there just must be a router that can go that far? its not that far it might be a few meters under 200, maybe 150 but i said 200 to be a max, surely a single router with a cantenna pointed at the window where there device is would be fine?
 
Try it. If it works great for you, good. The routers that were recommended previously are still your best bets for what you want to do. You can't really use a router like the DIR-655 in your situation as it uses multiple antennas with no capability to limit it to just the one that has a cantenna on it. And you'll still need a cantenna on the receiving device, regardless of whether it's a single computer or another router.
 
buffalo hp-g54 + dd-wrt + 15db omni directional.

i have this at a marina client i got, and it covers a large section, about 6 piers worth if you can imagine a dock.

if we had any hotspots we were gonna wds em up in external waterproof boxes
 
Orinthical said:
You don't seem to get what we're trying to tell you - you are not going to have much luck with a "single" router here, you're going to need to set up a router at both ends with good directional antenna's pointed at one another. Re-read some of the earlier posts for suggestions on what models to use, you can put it together for under $500 but it's not, nor will it ever be, a boxed solution..
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Exactly. You're not going to get this to work with a pair of home grade routers..sitting inside of the house.

4th reply to the beginning of this post...I gave you this link..did you take the time to peek at it?
http://www.fab-corp.com/

If you want to lite up another structure across a field..or across or down the street...you'll want to get a pair of hi gain outdoor antennas of some sort.

On a budget end..I recently added some wireless to a golf resort....lighting up some areas around the greens and a clubhouse across the green..with a few of these....they can be run as APs or bridges.

http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Sate...nksys/Common/VisitorWrapper&lid=8209687090B04

Each boosted with these hi gain poles...
http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Sate...nksys/Common/VisitorWrapper&lid=8811087090B02
 
From measuring it ive found its nearer than i expected its 70meters could a dual band range max with an additional atenna get that far? or any commerical router manage to get that far or is it still going to have to be more complicated solutions like above?
 
Have you read anything anyone has said? :rolleyes:

You have all the information you need, go pick something up and try it :mad:
 
Dlink draft n dual band router that just came out that outputs at 2.4 and 5ghz, it's a gaming router. I really want one but I cant justify buing another wireless router when I just bought a dlink extreme n wireless router dir-655
 
210ft. cakewalk.

It’s all about antenna.

I’ve run a 1.7-mile link for almost 3 years.
I use commercial gear now but when I first tested the link I just used the guts of 2 Linksys WRT54G’s in weatherproof Carlon boxes. POE, running Alchemy, 14dB grids and 100mW of power on each end.

Since there’s always a lot of speculation when these questions come up, I decided to do a real live test of the distance you can achieve with some basic off-the-shelf equipment.

AP
V.3 WRT54G running DD-WRT
Default setting (28mW) with the exception of the TX and RX switched to use the left antenna port.
Hawking 15dBi Corner Antenna mounted 7ft. off the ground.
I could have used a Cantenna but the Hawking has a bit more gain. Besides that, Cantennas look goofy when you tape them to a window.

Client
EDIMAX EW-7318USG, stock 4dBi omni, 16dbm (40mW), taped to the top of my truck.
I picked this up a few months ago for an experiment and it’s turned out to be a fairly decent adapter, low circuit leakage, most of the power goes directly to the antenna.

Using a measuring wheel, I took two measurements. The farthest I could maintain a 54Mb connection, and another at 11Mb, the minimum amount you could call usable.

Distance
54Mb 625ft.
11Mb 1350ft.

The average SOHO wireless router you pick doesn’t matter too much, they’re all around 28mW at their default settings. Get a favorite brand that you can load 3rd party firmware and at 210ft. you’ll have more than you need.
All that for less than $150

Need more range;
put a 14dBi antenna at both ends.

More;
2 router/client. If you turn up the power, you have to do it at both ends.
 
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