Battlefield 3 General Discussion Thread

This game needs PC features like voice chat. Never played BF2 but I did like BF:BC2. The ability to tell your team mate that he is about to get knifed in the back is priceless. Heck I'd even take APB voice chat.
 
darkstarcow said:
Go play BF2 and BF2142 then, if BF3 really is as shitty as you say, then all the BF2 and BF2142 players must of run back to the "better" BF games by now right?
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It is a superior game to the old one in many ways. The lack of voip just make it tough for us pubbers.

And I really won't want to have to install TS and Vent (or gods sake even Mumble) and have to jump in and out of game joining a new voip server every time I switch maps. It's just a freakin nuisance.
 
Battlefield 3 was supposed to be the successor to Battlefield 2 and prior (Not Bad Company 2 either , totally different game).
The problems with BF3 are outlined on Battlelog and some are being addressed in the next big patch. The overall feel and what BF3 has evolved into is more CoD like that what BF series games are supposed to be.
The best thing to do is play BF2 again to compare them as I have been doing. BF2 is still incredibly popular and the game play is just awesome. The Commo rose, The Commander mode, the VIOP options (Squad, or Commander).
Plus, the maps on BF2 are HUGE! And yet it does not feel like you are running everywhere without a vehicle in sight. As a squad leader I would notify the commander that I need supplies and a vehicle and before you know it they are parachuting down to you.
The gameplay narration, the minimap, the music, the overall gameplay options that can be set up are just far superior on BF2.
The “eyecandy” aspect is better on BF3 as expected, but for a 7+ year old game BF2 is not too shabby. In my mind and especially considering the fact that BF3 is 7+ years newer, it comes up way short of what I was expecting.
I have a very good PC and play BF3 on low setting because it plays better and actually looks better and brighter.
One thing to remember as well is that BF3 is the first console port in the BF3 series. All prior (again except BC2) were true PC games. That makes a huge difference in the potential for BF3 in it’s future.
I do enjoy playing BF3 and it can be very intense at times considering, but the experiences in BF2 can never be duplicated on BF3 ih its current form.
It did take EA/DICE almost a year and a half to get it right with patches and whatnot for BF2 and maybe the same can be expected here with BF3. I will give them the benefit of the doubt on that one, but I remain cautiously optimistic in that regard.
 
Fire488 said:
The “eyecandy” aspect is better on BF3 as expected, but for a 7+ year old game BF2 is not too shabby. In my mind and especially considering the fact that BF3 is 7+ years newer, it comes up way short of what I was expecting.
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best looking game on market, came up way short of expectations?

I understand not liking the harsh visual style, but saying its not great gfx is......wrong?

if you expected more than this than you were dreaming(visually) and no one would be able to run it for crap...


other than that, I really generally enjoy BF3, but it is NOT BF2 and its missing some scale in some areas for sure
 
haunter said:
best looking game on market, came up way short of expectations?

I understand not liking the harsh visual style, but saying its not great gfx is......wrong?

if you expected more than this than you were dreaming(visually) and no one would be able to run it for crap...


other than that, I really generally enjoy BF3, but it is NOT BF2 and its missing some scale in some areas for sure
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Fair enough,but I will stand by my statements and say that it absolutely did come up way short in the graphical department in my humble opinion.
 
Skizzy said:
Can you elaborate on the balance issues? If it's vehicle-related maybe that's why I haven't experienced it. When I play, it seems like I get killed by all sorts of weapons. The thing is, why wouldn't you just keep working towards unlocking certain weapons that are powerful and then use them? The fact everyone has access to all the same weapons (unless you don't have B2K) seems pretty balanced to me. Again, if you're talking about vehicles, then okay. I have no reason not to believe you on that. :p
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Well, vehicles are a part of it but just in general it seems like there are a few weapons that are considerably better than others. Though some of that depends on the map, as well. I guess it's just how slow DICE is to react to issues. It took them forever to nerf the IRNV, and last time I played people were still running around with M249 + Foregrip and raping the shit out of everyone. Maybe they've fixed that since but there were more issues that aren't specifically coming to mind at the moment.

Skizzy said:
The maps not loading is pretty annoying and is an issue I forgot I had. You're talking about when it says "Loading" on the very bottom right corner instead of having that blinking square? And then it just sits there forever. At least it's pretty easy to fix, just by reloading the game again. It doesn't happen in the middle of the game, so it's not the biggest deal.
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Actually I was talking about where sometimes you will load in-game, and right when you spawn the game will just freeze and crash. It's not a driver crash either, it's the game itself. It happened to me a LOT on Operation Firestorm, like seriously 50% or more of the time, but it's also happened on other maps.

Skizzy said:
I use minimap a fuckton. Maybe that's because I used to be a CS player and am used to looking at the radar? I don't see how the minimap is broken, I can see if teammates are watching my back when I'm sniping or when spotted enemies try to flank me.
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See that picture someone posted a dozen or so posts back about minimaps through BF history. It's pretty clear how shitty it has become.

Skizzy said:
No comment on the lack of VOIP as I really only play TDM and we all know about the teamwork that goes on in those. :D
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Lol. Yeah, the problem to me is that for a game that is so based around the idea of teamplay they make it so difficult to communicate.

I guess that was part of my comment about the commo rose. It seemed much more useful in BF2.
 
SolidSnakeUS said:
Also, I think the general public is getting dumber every day.
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.. love that movie. It really nailed societies slope downwards.
 
jonneymendoza said:
team speak
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So you actually expect random people that you play with to get into TS? I don't know them and I sure wouldn't expect a stranger to setup every server's TS or Mumble or whatever. The lack of a built in voice chat system makes the game seem 1/2 assed made and definitely a technological step back from their last release.

In Bad Company 2 I could coordinate an attack with my squad with voice chat. In BF3 I just follow them around blindly wondering if they are going to run in or hang back. I see a bad situation about to go down and I'm powerless to notify them. Well that's the opinion of me and my friends that play.

Hell they could even charge a monthly fee for ventrilo access and it would be better than what we have now.
 
cageymaru said:
So you actually expect random people that you play with to get into TS? I don't know them and I sure wouldn't expect a stranger to setup every server's TS or Mumble or whatever. The lack of a built in voice chat system makes the game seem 1/2 assed made and definitely a technological step back from their last release.

In Bad Company 2 I could coordinate an attack with my squad with voice chat. In BF3 I just follow them around blindly wondering if they are going to run in or hang back. I see a bad situation about to go down and I'm powerless to notify them. Well that's the opinion of me and my friends that play.

Hell they could even charge a monthly fee for ventrilo access and it would be better than what we have now.
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Before I load up BF3, I always hop on my clan/group's Ventrilo server regardless of whether anyone else is actually there. And when I'm ingame, if I see someone who looks like a good player with good teamwork, I'll say, "Hey ______, wanna get on my ventrilo server?" About 20% of the time it works and I end up playing very closely with a complete stranger. ;)
 
NickN said:
Before I load up BF3, I always hop on my clan/group's Ventrilo server regardless of whether anyone else is actually there. And when I'm ingame, if I see someone who looks like a good player with good teamwork, I'll say, "Hey ______, wanna get on my ventrilo server?" About 20% of the time it works and I end up playing very closely with a complete stranger. ;)
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20% is a failing grade, my friend. :D

But yeah, the point is that if the game had the feature in the first place it would be 100% automatically every time.
 
cageymaru said:
So you actually expect random people that you play with to get into TS? I don't know them and I sure wouldn't expect a stranger to setup every server's TS or Mumble or whatever. The lack of a built in voice chat system makes the game seem 1/2 assed made and definitely a technological step back from their last release.

In Bad Company 2 I could coordinate an attack with my squad with voice chat. In BF3 I just follow them around blindly wondering if they are going to run in or hang back. I see a bad situation about to go down and I'm powerless to notify them. Well that's the opinion of me and my friends that play.

Hell they could even charge a monthly fee for ventrilo access and it would be better than what we have now.
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I said it a bunch of times, on pub servers, most are full of flippin morons anyways. Hardly a match goes by that someone on our team takes the AA and rapes our own vehicles. I cant imagine what open VOIP would be like.

For the most part, the battlelog VOIP is great for me and my friends. Our regular servers all have vent or TS channels open to anyone.

Should the game have it? sure, I guess. They could also wipe my ass and feed me my food aswell.

The PC crowd is capable enough to manage VOIP ourselves. Otherwise this would be a thread about how stupid it is to have VOIP and we should all use TS instead.
 
Droc said:
Otherwise this would be a thread about how stupid it is to have VOIP and we should all use TS instead.
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I seem to remember a lot of those complaints about BF2 anyway - how the VOIP was stupid because you could only talk to your squad or whatever - and hardly anyone ever used it that I remember.
 
Droc said:
I said it a bunch of times, on pub servers, most are full of flippin morons anyways. Hardly a match goes by that someone on our team takes the AA and rapes our own vehicles. I cant imagine what open VOIP would be like.

For the most part, the battlelog VOIP is great for me and my friends. Our regular servers all have vent or TS channels open to anyone.

Should the game have it? sure, I guess. They could also wipe my ass and feed me my food aswell.

The PC crowd is capable enough to manage VOIP ourselves. Otherwise this would be a thread about how stupid it is to have VOIP and we should all use TS instead.
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yeah but 98% of everyones friends play on console now it seems. I got no real friends on steam or origin anyone, just people I meet playing.
 
Droc said:
I said it a bunch of times, on pub servers, most are full of flippin morons anyways. Hardly a match goes by that someone on our team takes the AA and rapes our own vehicles. I cant imagine what open VOIP would be like.

For the most part, the battlelog VOIP is great for me and my friends. Our regular servers all have vent or TS channels open to anyone.

Should the game have it? sure, I guess. They could also wipe my ass and feed me my food aswell.

The PC crowd is capable enough to manage VOIP ourselves. Otherwise this would be a thread about how stupid it is to have VOIP and we should all use TS instead.
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This. Thank you.
 
Open voip in a pub is a terrible idea.

Most servers have a vent server that you are welcome to use.
 
spaceman said:
Open voip in a pub is a terrible idea.

Most servers have a vent server that you are welcome to use.
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No... not really, no. You're wrong. :)

It's been known and proven for many years now that open VOIP with the option to individually mute works just fine.
 
NickN said:
No... not really, no. You're wrong. :)

It's been known and proven for many years now that open VOIP with the option to individually mute works just fine.
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This. It seems the people against the idea are those that don't either want to talk with public players or those who play with friends all the time. But in a public server, it'd be a nice OPTION. Especially since it's been done to death, so it's not like they're reinventing the wheel - just implementing it.

There's no reason PC players shouldn't have the option of built-in VOIP. Don't want to use/hear it? Mute in settings (permanently) or mute individually.
 
^^ I don't see the point in this tournament. It's more apparent in this game than in any other game that who ever has the better ping will win.

Hosting a tournament based on this game without everyone playing on the same lan is just straight up retarded.
 
TheMadHatterXxX said:
^^ I don't see the point in this tournament. It's more apparent in this game than in any other game that who ever has the better ping will win.

Hosting a tournament based on this game without everyone playing on the same lan is just straight up retarded.
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If you don't see the point or you think it's retarded, we don't care. Just say your thoughts in your head and move on. Clearly there are people who are looking forward to it.
 
TheMadHatterXxX said:
^^ I don't see the point in this tournament. It's more apparent in this game than in any other game that who ever has the better ping will win.

Hosting a tournament based on this game without everyone playing on the same lan is just straight up retarded.
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I'm pretty sure the better player wins.
 
TheMadHatterXxX said:
^^ I don't see the point in this tournament. It's more apparent in this game than in any other game that who ever has the better ping will win.

Hosting a tournament based on this game without everyone playing on the same lan is just straight up retarded.
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I'm sorry I think you got lost looking for the MW3 thread.

if you think ping owns in this, go play mw3, blacklight.....
 
Skizzy said:
If you don't see the point or you think it's retarded, we don't care. Just say your thoughts in your head and move on. Clearly there are people who are looking forward to it.
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coolstarrybrah..I'll state my opinion just like everyone else does...problem?

If you don't realize there is a major flaw with the mechanics of this games peer to peer hit detection, which at this point is common knowledge and clearly evident with all the complaints about people dying a good second or 2 after they move behind cover than I feel bad for you son.

Based on the small CQ maps that are in the rotation for this tournament the outcome will clearly be decided by the players with lowest ping because their bullets will register before yours, which has always been the case in any online game but is substantially magnified by the method of hit detection chosen for this game.

So yeah using this game for a tournament on the Internet as opposed to a lan, because of peer to peer hit detection introduces a huge factor that is not based on player skill.
 
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TheMadHatterXxX said:
Have you ever played this game?
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only for ~120 hrs. I will repeat, go play something from the MW series, their lag comp is way worse, kill cam never lines up, dieing before you turn a corner, in kill cam you are standing in the open doing nothing, and thats with good ping.

yeah BF3 has lag spikes, and occasionally you get lag comp killed going for cover, but its generally not off by entire seconds, and I *rarely* have warping issues like I do in MW3
 
IMO in pretty much any FPS game a tournament isn't going to be fair unless it's on a LAN or everyone has a sub-100 ping. Anything above and you are at an inherent disadvantage, regardless of how good the lag compensation is.
 
haunter said:
only for ~120 hrs. I will repeat, go play something from the MW series, their lag comp is way worse, kill cam never lines up, dieing before you turn a corner, in kill cam you are standing in the open doing nothing, and thats with good ping.

yeah BF3 has lag spikes, and occasionally you get lag comp killed going for cover, but its generally not off by entire seconds, and I *rarely* have warping issues like I do in MW3
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I've never played any COD game online.

You're downplaying it by saying occasionally. Just do a search on the official forums if you need clarification as to the extent of it.
 
Dethred said:
Whats interesting is how you don't read the posts in this thread. BF2 had its share of lonewolves, but at least it provided the tools for those that wanted to use teamwork. BF3 has literally no teamwork tools or emphasis. I played with the exact same group of guys in BF2 7 years ago, as I did in BF3. In BF3 we never were able to coordinate and strategize. By contrast, in BF2 we'd stay in groups of 6 players and some of us would never die in a round due to medic revives and a constant supply of ammo. So yes its DICE's fault.

Its like they said "no one complained about these features from BF2, so lets take them out and dumb it down even more".
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I like you.

I agree with everything you're saying. I Admined the FCW server in BF2, played over 1K hours, Led a clan...had TONS of fun.

BF3 I play with the same guys and we really don't stick together. It's easy as hell to get disorganized. Squad leader really has no perks and there aren't enough players in a squad to make it effective. It's lone wolf all around.

Same thing happened in BC2, it's a TDM...squads just acted as mobile spawnpoints.
 
MavericK96 said:
IMO in pretty much any FPS game a tournament isn't going to be fair unless it's on a LAN or everyone has a sub-100 ping. Anything above and you are at an inherent disadvantage, regardless of how good the lag compensation is.
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Except with DICE's netcode and client side detection algorithm. :cool:
 
TheMadHatterXxX said:
I've never played any COD game online.

You're downplaying it by saying occasionally. Just do a search on the official forums if you need clarification as to the extent of it.
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how do you know what issues I have?

the forums are full of tards, just like all the morons in launch crying that their 3 year old i3 and their 9800gt wouldnt play bf3 well


or the dumbasses bitching in the chat window about it with 200+ ping. of course its laggy then, and they can ruin it for everyone.

if a server gets too many laggy players, I LEAVE! to go one of the other sub 50 ping servers I have access too
 
I remember reading a few days ago about BF3 being patched and origin getting ready and stuff...any news? ETA on the patch?
 
MavericK96 said:
If you are suggesting that BF3's netcode and detection algorithm is good enough to use at high pings then you are sadly mistaken.
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If a player with a high ping in BF3 is moving, his movement packets take longer to reach the server, if you're not moving (or sometimes even if you are) he can take you out before he moves onto your screen with client side hit detection. It's the corner advantage. There's some pretty decent write-ups around that explain what is happening.

There's also a whole YouTube test series done on it. In certain situations, it's advantageous to have a high ping. It's been joked that you should start your torrents while playing BF3.
 
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Nettwerk said:
Yep, they announced that tomorrow they will announce when the patch will be released! LOL
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Don't get everyone's hopes up lol. From Matros/Zh1nt0's twitter
Hopefully I´ll be able to drop the patch date tomorrow.
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I'm as hopeful as a lot of you are, but I've stopped caring too much for now. It'll get here when it gets here; for now I'm enjoying some CS:S again with spots of BF3 here and there :)
 
This patch is way too late. Game is already dull and boring, frustrating at times with the client side reg, shit is going downhill!
 
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