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ATI R600 first look
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The latest R600 rumors at Hexus have stated the following.
1: ATI targets the launch at CeBit on 14th Feb 2006
2: The Launch will most likely be paper launch with aviliblity a 1 - 2 months afterwoods.
3: Performance is rumored to be around 11,000 3Dmarks at 750MHz.
source: www.hexus.net
My opinion. If the R600 only clocks to 750MHz and scores 11,000 3Dmarks, Then ATI is buggered. The 8800GTX is currently clocked at 575MHz can easily add another 50 MHz the close the gap.
=> My guess is that ATI will have 2 versions of the cards. The usual XT at 750MHz , An XTX at 850 MHz. The questions is ? Would it be possible to do a 512MB card with a 512bit memory interface?
=> ATI better offer some form of improved AF filtering.
1: ATI targets the launch at CeBit on 14th Feb 2006
2: The Launch will most likely be paper launch with aviliblity a 1 - 2 months afterwoods.
3: Performance is rumored to be around 11,000 3Dmarks at 750MHz.
source: www.hexus.net
My opinion. If the R600 only clocks to 750MHz and scores 11,000 3Dmarks, Then ATI is buggered. The 8800GTX is currently clocked at 575MHz can easily add another 50 MHz the close the gap.
=> My guess is that ATI will have 2 versions of the cards. The usual XT at 750MHz , An XTX at 850 MHz. The questions is ? Would it be possible to do a 512MB card with a 512bit memory interface?
=> ATI better offer some form of improved AF filtering.
gilga said:
thats just hexus trying to sound like they know what they are talking about again, anyone remember the BS benchmarks they posted just before the X1800 finally debuted? all they were, were just OC'd X850XT's and posted as X1800's, GOOD JOB HEXUS!
Like their already proved HQ AF? honestly the AF (although is better) on the G80 is nice, and always on, I find it very hard to find discrepencies between the two, they are both nearly perfect as is, for ATI all they'd have to do is just leave it on all the time, in the same fassion as Nv's
also, a bunch of info taken from Hexus, they blunder and blunder again on information, just like Inq and people still post their stuff.
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I honestly could care less when the card comes out, as long as it's out before Crysis my X1950XTX is more than enough for the latest games now.
But if it's delayed until after crysis, I just might have to get an 8800.
I also think that is one of the biggest loads of crap ever, no way that's the performance of the card. ATi have always outdone nvidia in 3dmark (not that I care because I don't play 3dmark) but I find that rumor hard to believe. If it happens to be true than ATi is dead in the water.
But if it's delayed until after crysis, I just might have to get an 8800.
I also think that is one of the biggest loads of crap ever, no way that's the performance of the card. ATi have always outdone nvidia in 3dmark (not that I care because I don't play 3dmark) but I find that rumor hard to believe. If it happens to be true than ATi is dead in the water.
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I was under the impression Nvidia usually scored significantly better in 3dmark. Mainly due to texturing most of the time.
Those are some really interesting numbers they're using in that article. If that's right R600 is running at 1GHz and that's only half speed? Nvidia would have some serious work ahead of them if they had to match a R600@2GHz. If the rumors of ATI having more transistors and using less die space than G80 are true this thing will be a performance monster. Based off just 3dmark if a R600@750MHz is faster than G80 a R600@2GHz won't even be in the same ballpark.
HEXUS said:
Those are some really interesting numbers they're using in that article. If that's right R600 is running at 1GHz and that's only half speed? Nvidia would have some serious work ahead of them if they had to match a R600@2GHz. If the rumors of ATI having more transistors and using less die space than G80 are true this thing will be a performance monster. Based off just 3dmark if a R600@750MHz is faster than G80 a R600@2GHz won't even be in the same ballpark.
Anarchist4000 said:
That chip's power density is going to be closing on power density of a nuclear reactor. There is no way that chip can eat less power, have less size and have more transistors then G80 AT the same time.
Thats just theoretically impossible with current CMOS technology...
All these rumors, are just that, rumors.
Also please remember its not always about the Clock speed... Its always about how much Instructions per Cycle you can do...
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Back in the day, Linux ran Quake 3 and UT just as good as, if not better than, Windows did.R1ckCa1n said:And how exactly does that impact gaming? Oh yeah it doesn't.
Nobody in their right mind buys the fastest video card to run Linux.
Also, did you know there's more to video cards than gaming? As amazing as it sounds, a lot of people use video cards for this thing called "work," and as strange as it sounds, the entire world does NOT run on Microsoft Windows. There's plenty of people who are wishing they could run their brand new super-fast card on Linux to increase productivity, but can't due to ATI's lack of Linux support.
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InorganicMatter said:
I've worked with hardcore linux 3D boxes for a while, and I've never seen a Radeon card in one. It's all either Fire or Quadro.
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Un4given said:
Thought it was delayed until April? It's basically the DX10 showcase so I think it's going to come out around the time Vista is released or shortly after.
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Un4given said:
Well, it looks like they are really taking their time and trying to perfect it as much as possible. Which I'm glad for, I'd rather wait 5-6 more months and have a game that didn't come out with 20 patches right off the bat fixing bogus things that should have been polished in the dev process.
I was ready to upgrade my video card and to get vista for Crysis, now it seems that I don't have to do that quite so soon...... Hmmmm..
That's_Corporate said:
But in true fashion of a Linux user, he wants his OS for free and his FireGL/Quadro graphics for Radeon/GeForce prices otherwise, bitching in the forums will take place.
Honestly, I aplaud ATI for not wasting my consumer dollars for R&D on drivers for an OS like Linux.
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Met-AL said:
Ah yes... good point.
But those cards are expensive for a reason.
Gotta pay to play, in the workstation world. But who cares... no consumer ever really buys those cards. The majority of sales are to big companies who don't even notice spending $2400 on graphics cards for a single user.
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pandora's box said:
yeah well, if you knew what you were doing, and played your exemptions correctly, you would not have a refund coming, you would have more in each paycheck and not be giving the govt a n interest free loan throughout the year
my brother in law and his family depend on Walmart and a 7k tax refund each year to survive, i despise that lifestyle
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Met-AL said:
not true many people feel that free software and non-free software can co-exist on the linux platform. And as pointed out, having good ati drivers would be nice for those of us who run open-gl accelerated desktops like beryl/compiz, or anything else that takes advantage of the video card while using an os thats virus and spyware free....
Think corporate.
You own a large corporation with 10,000 employees. All of them need to work on their own computer, or more than just one computer. All of them need windows. Windows costs lots and lots of money, especially 10,000+ liscenses. You can either pay $100 a liscense (that's 1+ million dollars), or go Linux and save yourself a crapload of money, putting that $1mil into better hardware for faster rendering/compiling, ie overall productivity.
One million dollars (or more) is a lot of money that won't be going to ATI hardware.
You lose in the longrun.
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Ranari said:
You wouldn't believe how stupid and set in their way people can be from the top of the corporate ladder on down.
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Boltaction said:
That's the truest statement in the history of the world.
Story of my life in the corporate world.
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Looks like ATI just all but confirmed the 512bit memory bus rumors. If those 2GHz rumors hexus had going are true I see one serious thrashing on the way.
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Hexus said:
Hexus said:
If I go by that the chip is running at 1GHz and that's around half speed. So 2x1GHz = 2GHz. And with the first quote if 750MHz=11,0003DMarks then 2GHz would put the card approaching 30,0003dmarks. Of course I'm sure they got their numbers wrong. A simple 1GHz sounds much more realistic than 2GHz at this point.
On the other hand if they mixed up their numbers 2GHz would be reasonable for GDDR4 and a 750MHz+ core seems much more likely.
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I'd place my money on "idiot".Obi_Kwiet said:
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digitalfreak said:
I'd place my money on "We don't know the whole story yet so lets refrain from diminishing peoples intellect"
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The 2GHz might not be all that unreasonable if it's a shader domain and not a core clock. Keep in mind on a 8800GTX the shaders are running at 1.35GHz and they're using a 90nm process. R600 will be using a 80nm process which would give them a slight boost.