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I think we've received specs in rumour form :/
64SP
512B mem
512-1GB mem gddr3 or gddr4
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so what does that point have to do with what I'm saying :< You asked him to prove why he thinks R600 will be faster, I just posted a glimpse of that proof for you thats all, I have no idea how R600 will do against a G81 or G90
and to Zeus, I've built my own machines since my P3 500E, and I've never run into a problem this drastic, do you play games on your 8800GTS? I actually find it hard to believe, even with XP was released, the only real problem I had with xp was some older games were not designed to run on the NT/2k/XP kernal vs 98, and that was it. I've built bleeding edge hardware systems and i've done value systems and NEVER have i run into such a huge wall like this one where I had to actually downgrade my OS to use a piece of hardware that was designed for that OS.
Honestly I think you're one of those people who defend a company to justify their purchase, When I pay for something I expect it to work, specially when its such a high end and expensive product. I didn't have a problem with my 7900,7800,6800 cards under xp nor did I have any problems with my X1800/X1900 cards under XP(And they were "new hardware")
I'm not attacking Nvidia for their products sucking, more for their claims.
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I'm not attacking MS, nor am I blaming them I'm solely blaming NV for their DX10 hardware not working up to MS DX10 and Vista spec, who knows how ATI is doing , probably better since they worked with MS on R500 maybe not, who knows
BTW I'm happy with my purchase, its by far one of the best cards(next to an 8800GTX) to buy for XP and gaming in general as long as you stay away from Vista =)
Umm, doesn't Xbox Live already do this? Hah PGS will never see the light of day, nice drain of $100M+ (?) investors money - the only real product to come out from all that is the lapboard (are they even shipping yet?). I have yet to come across anyone, anywhere that proclaimed getting the ($130) lapboard setup.
yea I'm sure the game will be heavily skewed with only a 2-4 month advantage...even though the R600 is rumored to have twice as much memory bandwidth compared to the 8800GTX. Crysis will be the proof in the pudding and my money is on the R600 and Barcelona.
Moreover, the Crysis team had what, two months with the 8800GTX
, I wouldn't say the game will be intentially skewed to the g80, but Crysis dx10 has definitly been built for the most part on a g80 because of the little time that the r600 has been around in dev's hands.[RIP]Zeus;1030764940 said:ATI does not have a DX10 for the masses yet.
nVidia has a DX10 being sold to the masses for some time now.
I know the truth hurts.. But somtimes thats the facts of life
You see when you start throwing dirt, it usually goes both ways just as easily. Well I can only quess what ATI side is doing about Nvidias Vista screw up
Will AMD/ATI release something that is not able to beat a 8800 GTX ? No.
Will NVIDIA release their refreshed/improved product, if it doesn't beat R600 when it's launched ? Again, no.
I didn't lay down the law, it's just common sense
It was the battle of fastest DX9 card on the world and G80 indeed has that crown, on DX10 things are still unresolved. DX10 GAMES ARE NOT OUT YET, NOR ANY DX10 BENCHMARKS, SO HOW ON EARTH DID NVIDIA WIN THIS "ROUND" WHEN THE OTHER COMPETITOR HAS NOT EVEN SHOWN UP YET AND THE RING ISN'T BUILT EITHER. More to the point and less ramblings
Forgot to reply to the Nvidia DX10 driver thingy and how in my mind G80 wont have such lead R9700 had with DX9. Silus you have a point and I have no doubt that G80 has somewhat the upper hand with the first wave of DX10 titles.
But we can agree that Nvidias DX10 drivers are far from perfect? And like R1ckanunck (sorry about misspellings) stated it cannot be easy to develop games with unfinished set of drivers. So Iam still entrenched in my opinion that G80 will not have such huge lead in DX10 games that R9700 had with DX9. With DX9 ATI did not have to write drivers from scratch like Nvidia now has to do with DX10.
Then again this can go either way. R600 may suck and G80 has even greater advantage over first DX10 titles. R600 can be dominating piece of hardware and the situation will be opposite just because of R600 brute force. Hmm I can see this going round and round untill R600 is released and we get some first DX10 benchies. Well atleast we can entertain ourselfs by arguing over wild rumours
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I quess the reasonable conclusion is that I have just summed up what this thread is about, nothing else but wild speculation. I shall withdraw myself from this and wait for the real deal to hit the street. BTW what is the latest rumoured R600 release date? I seem to have forgotten it during this gossip mill.
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