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Athlon64 + SP2 = Problems. It's official.

Unfortunately from what I've read

Microsoft + Software = Problems.

Really, there are more problems with SP2 than just A64, but the reason why they are suggesting that people with A64 skip SP2 is because they didn't properly work the DEP. You can disable this I believe and have no problems.
 
I installed sp2 on my A64 3200+ rig and have only seen one problem to date. Everytime I try to play gunbound (an addictive free game), I get a memory dump blue screen and reboots). All other games/applications work fine, including but not limited to RON, D3, FC, CS, and Eudora (was worried about this one since I don't use Office).

As far as gunbound goes, i disabled the sp2 firewall to see if that fixed it and still get the same result.
 
Man, I haven't played Gunbound in ages. My old clan got me addicted to that. Sucks that you can't play. Have you tried reinstalling the game? Whats the blue screen say?
 
Mutalys said:
Unfortunately from what I've read

Microsoft + Software = Problems.

Really, there are more problems with SP2 than just A64, but the reason why they are suggesting that people with A64 skip SP2 is because they didn't properly work the DEP. You can disable this I believe and have no problems.
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What does DEP stand for ?
 
Data Execution Prevention. I believe (though not sure) it has to do with Athlon's fabled NX bit. Basically Windows in combination with AMD is supposed to prevent malicious code from being executed. It's a tough thing to do, because basically you have to have registered programs. I don't really know much more than that.
 
Anyone know if disabling firwall, security center, and all the other non essential XP crap fixes this problem? I am a speed junkie and I disable all non-essential services running, and SP2 seems to be working for me. I have 4 amd64 machines running SP2 and no problems so far.

Wonder if disabling the services is the solution or if I just got lucky.
 
A friend of mine disabled the firewall service and basically it broke his setup.
It seems microsoft runs all the internet stuff thru that service even if you turned off firewall thru the interface. If you disable the service you'll have even more problems.

This problem seems easy to avoid. Just dont enable DEP and you're set.
 
Wrench00 - before my system died I seem to remember seeing it in My Computer -> Properties -> Advanced i think
 
NX basically makes it so that if a buffer overrun occurs (looking at areas of memory after the end of the buffer, which aren't necessarily yours) the accessed areas can't be executed. It makes security attacks more difficult (but not impossible).
 
i am running the sp2 on my emachines m6809 notebook, had bsod after installation but could solve it and the problem was with zone alarm and it came out that some versions of zone alarm didnt work properly with sp2, so i installed the latest version and it working very good now.

you can disable windows firewall and use the one you have and if i am not mistaken, it wont effect on your system when you disable it and you dont have another firewall.

i doubt you can disable the DEP function completely, but you have 2 options, 1 you make the protection for essential windows programs and software or 2 you turn the protection for all applications and services EXCEPT the one you select to be out of protection........... and here you solve some of your problem.......check which program is causing the problem and when you sure that the program is trusy so you can add it in the expection list.

i liked the dep function, as 2 days ago i tried to play a clip on my WMP but WMP generated error for this slip only, so it seems that this clip is trying to write something in the memory section where it shouldnt be written, who knows what it was trying to write/execute.

frankly saying, if not all but most of us here want to install sp2 to improve something which is performance and speed, but i dont think you gonna notice it, and as long as it is causing you problems then get rid of it for the time being
 
interesting, i have been using service pack two and the only issue that i have with it is upnp and serivice center wanting to re-enabled the firewall This is even though it was disabled and configured not to be monitored.

recently, i fabricated and installed slipstreamed sp2 with my friends a64fx-53/sk8v system without an issue to any of the applications i have installed. it has been impresing me for i do dislike via core logic. it seems they are finally getting their act together and making good ware. i wonder what the truth of this situation is, for nothing is being exhibited as of yet with his system. if the application is casuing the problem how can this be microsoft's fault? this is one of the veyr reasons why i purchase good, high quality products expecting capital and prompt updates to prevent these issues from happening. i would not be blaming ms i would be blaiming what is truly at fault and not compliant.
 
The short answer: Its Sigma's fault, its a legacy product per Sigma, releasing a fix is up to them, you can turn off DEP via the boot.ini switch /noexecute (remove it) if you really want SP2 AND the Sigma product right now.
 
SP2 caused explorer.exe to crash as soon sa it enters the desktop. Restarting it via Task Manager also crashes as soon as it starts. Safe Mode did nothing. Same issue. Hard to uninstall SP2 when you can't get to the control panel or start button. :eek: :p


Oh well, I needed a fresh install anyway....what's funny is, I did not see the part about A64 and SP2 conflicts until after I already crashed my rig...doh!!! :rolleyes:
 
Mutalys said:
Man, I haven't played Gunbound in ages. My old clan got me addicted to that. Sucks that you can't play. Have you tried reinstalling the game? Whats the blue screen say?
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Yeah, I unistalled and downloaded a fresh version, to no avail. I forgot what it says but I'll try again and note some of the tex for ya. Problem is it bluescreens and thn reboots in a few seconds, so not enough time to read everything...be back in a bluescreen minute ;)

edit: it rebooted too fast for me to read everything, just does a physical dump of the memory. I read on the gb forum, and apparently everyone with a A64 and sp2 combo is getting it. Oh well, it's the only issue I've had since I upgraded, so not that big of a deal.
 
i got a lot of wierd memory crashes with sp2. just uninstalled it and have yet to have a problem.
 
I wonder if there is more problems with people upgrading SP1 to SP2 instead of fresh intalling XP then installing SP2.

Upgrading MS os's usually causes problems vs fresh install.
 
Galvin said:
I wonder if there is more problems with people upgrading SP1 to SP2 instead of fresh intalling XP then installing SP2.

Upgrading MS os's usually causes problems vs fresh install.
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Many people have XP SP1 as their default install, much like XP will soon only be available with SP2 automatically slipstreamed into it.
 
Hello..

Wow.. i must be a lucky soul.. haha.. i have Windows XP with SP2 and so far (knock on wood) no probs.. I got a bluescreen only once so far..

I did a fresh clean install of XP.
Before I installed though, i slipstreamed SP2 into my XP install.
This might be the key, cuz i tried to run my old install of XP (SP1 then upgraded to SP2, no clean install or slipstreaming) and had blue screens of death...

Aiy, peace
seamonkey420
 
This sucks. It's likely going to put the A64 in a negative light, even though it's MS' fault. Great.
 
Rizen said:
This sucks. It's likely going to put the A64 in a negative light, even though it's MS' fault. Great.
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LOL it's not AMD's or MS's fault. Sigma Designs has a buggy driver for the Hollywood Plus decoder card. See my link above, the rebooting problem pre-dates SP2/DEP.
 
Not a single problem here, but then I don't have the buggy driver, and I did go install, sp1, sp2 (did a reinstall a few days before sp2 was available in network install form)
 
I still play GB from time to time. My account is K10wN :D, by this time you could probably figure out who the person behind the fluffy mask is. :cool: ... please don't ban me lol :(
 
I slipstreamed sp2 into my XP cd and didn't notice anything different after a reinstall that wasn't already there before with sp1. I got weird, low end fps problems in games like SWG, but I can't really pin that on the amd itself. My old p4 ran the game smoother, but I just think ath64 itself is a bit premature, as well as sp2. Doesn't surprise me that the two together are causing issues. I'm headed back to a p4 setup as we speak until 64 bit gets ironed out.
 
I think many should read the actual tech notes put out by Microsoft on the subject first. It's NOT an issue with AMD and not really that much with MS for SP2. The bottom of all this is an OLD driver that never really worked that well since Windows XP came out in 2001, Sigma Designs Real Magic DVD decoder driver. This should be fixed by doing this:

1. You can boot into safe mode and fix it in 2 seconds by deleting Mpegport.sys (which is ONLY required by Sigma Designs Hollywood Plus DVD decoder).
2. You can turn DEP off and never see the problem (of course you will be vulnerable to stack overflow executions again...)

If you don't have this old card or have not installed anything with Sigma Designs, then I don't think you should see the Mpegport.sys driver at all. You can do a search for the file and see if it's on your system before intalling SP2 and then after. If it's not there, which I don't think it is, then you don't need to do anything and your system should be stable as others reported.

Hope this helps a little.
 
Haven't noticed any problem with SP2 eversince reales version came out (MSDN developer here)... except... my beloved NOD32 will stop networking from working... (strange but happens). Stuck with trial ware of norton until nod 32 gets the problem resolved with.
 
I haven't had a problem, but then again my machine is thin on the peripheral side...
 
It's a feature. If a folder contains many files, chances are that folder is c:/WINDOWS, and Windows doesn't want you to delete it. So it will crash before you can do anything potentially wack.
 
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