Ditto, exact same one and same opinion, multitasking lacks and it was one of the few options for a laptop that can handle 64GB of RAM(need to run a few VMs as well as RDP, IDE, movies and streaming 4k 43" monitor with 4 PIP window as an option) have a feeling Ryzen after the kinks are done will be far more of a bang for the buck purchase.There's market there....Intel has a big gulf between their power-mobile line and desktop chips. The 6700HQ I've got in my laptop is kind of anemic for 45w, and given the Ryzen power profiles I think they could definitely compete there.
The 6700HQ is a wierd chip because many notebook makers ship the CPU in notebooks that have really marginal cooling, if used in such a configuration it throttles like a mofo all the time. I have an XPS 9550, which also has a Geforce 960 and they share cooling. Under the stock configuration CPU performance falls off a cliff when the GPU powers up. But I've found that it performs massively better if I undervolt the CPU in the Intel Extreme Tweak Utility (will work on many models of laptop), or if I'm not using the GPU, which is a lot of the time because I didn't buy it to game on (why would you buy an XPS to game?). Maybe that would work for you guys. Anyone who's ever overclocked a Sky Lake chip will tell you, more voltage = massive increase in heat. I've got mine undervolted .15 V, which brings down temperatures quite a lot and is rock stable.Ditto, exact same one and same opinion, multitasking lacks and it was one of the few options for a laptop that can handle 64GB of RAM(need to run a few VMs as well as RDP, IDE, movies and streaming 4k 43" monitor with 4 PIP window as an option) have a feeling Ryzen after the kinks are done will be far more of a bang for the buck purchase.
Ultimately AMD has little say in the matter... They are at a disadvantage when it comes to that sort of thing :\ Intel has the leverage over everyone and thus, can dictate how their chip can or has to be used in a system. AMD is not in a position to make those, as the company that is interesting in using their chips may very well say to them "Eeeh... not liking that, we'll just go with Intel, but thanks!"If AMD gets manufacturers to ship these in a socket rather than soldered bga trash, they will easily take the top cream of the crop market away from Intel and that is a high margin segment.
Ultimately AMD has little say in the matter... They are at a disadvantage when it comes to that sort of thing :\ Intel has the leverage over everyone and thus, can dictate how their chip can or has to be used in a system. AMD is not in a position to make those, as the company that is interesting in using their chips may very well say to them "Eeeh... not liking that, we'll just go with Intel, but thanks!"
Take my HP ENVY x360 Convertible FX-9800P APU powered laptop... Notable features are that it has a Full-HD IPS touchscreen, which anyone [H]ard enough knows that you'll be hard pressed to find anything with an AMD CPU paired with a 1080p screen (nevermind 4K, despite having more than enough graphics HP for 4K videos). On top of that, even though it's not even listed in the Features and I had to discover this on my own, it has FreeSync screen with a range of 40-60Hz! Also comes with a 7200RPM 1TB HDD, Intel Wireless-AC + Bluetooth card, a USB-C connector (as well as 2 other USB3.1 ports and an HDMI), a backlit keyboard, and a full aluminum chassis. To say the least, it was the laptop I had literally waited over 9 years to find!
.... and then I got it, and discovered the absolute biggest facepalm-worthy fail *sigh*
It's advertised with DDR4-2133. "Great!" I thought, as that iGPU will need the bandwidth! Now it turns out that AMD slightly crippled this 9800P by limiting it's memory controller to only DDR4-1866, so that sucked... However, that isn't even the facepalm, despite HP's deceptive marketing tactic (which it is exactly that, as who cares if the memory chip is rated for 2133, if it will never run at that speed??). No, it was way way worse than that... HP only outfitted this thing with ONE DIMM SLOT! It has plenty of room for a second, I've seen the guts of this thing (and compared it to the same model with an Intel chip, the the motherboards are 90% identical and the Intel models easily fit 2 DIMM slots). Instead of populating it with a second socket, they opted to design the PCB with pads for surface mounting RAM. Is that an option when you buy it? No. Did it come with it populated? No. So I have the laptop I've always wanted, that is only ever capable of operating in Single Channel. What's more, HP didn't even bother to configure the BIOS to match the system, as they've left the memory controller operating in Dual-Channel mode... That means the CPU and GPU can only communicate to the RAM at 64bit instead of the full 128bit
Ranting aside, my point to all of this is, I am sure AMD would've wanted their nigh-flagship mobile APU to be given the best possible configuration, in order for it to deliver the best possible performance, providing the user with the best possible experience! Despite all of that, this thing still is great (aside from the touchpad, but that's a rant you can find in my mini-review in the AMD section), and surprisingly it still games rather well despite the crippled memory config. Nevertheless, if I had been the one at AMD liaising with HP over the system configurations or what not, I'd have still voiced my concern over the matter.
I'm sure HP met all the guidelines though, as technically this does offer dual-channel, just not in a user configurable way, nor in a buildable manner during purchase. I'm just irked at not being aware of it all when I purchased it
That all being said, two things I wonder with this teaser... When they say Ryzen... is it Summit Ridge (a CPU), or is it Raven Ridge (an APU)? Since, and correct me if I'm wrong, a slated release of Q3 does fall within AMD's roadmap time frame for APUs on desktop and mobile. I just hope ASUS isn't trying to be the conductor behind the Ryzen Hype Train and misleading everyone. I don't know if any info has trickled out on how the Ryzen powered APUs will be labeled, but if they continue with past naming conventions I can easily see it being Ryzen A7|5|3 <model #>, which would technically mean the teaser hasn't lied, should APUs get used. Would indeed be, IMO, deceptive through vagueness. Not exactly frowned upon, but would be a bummer So here's hoping it's not, or if so, then here's hoping Clevo will do like they have with their high-end Intel model laptops by adding an 1151 Socket and equipping it with desktop chips
That's interesting to hear regarding being pushed towards models w/o upgrades... Are we sure that's the case though? And that it isn't simply a matter of the manufacturers opting to make their own custom systems like way back when? For example, ASUS were using MXM slots but their cards were slightly longer and so you couldn't drop those into other notebooks. Similarly, someone had been using MXM connectors but they weren't adhering to the MXM design specs in terms of pinouts, thus rendering them unable to be upgraded (or as easily, as it needed a card from the limited list of those that worked with that brand.I'm not surprised to see HP pull a stunt like that to be honest as most of these mainstream manufacturers do that now. I just bought an Acer Predator Helios 300 laptop and the only review of it I read so far said the panel is fairly subpar for a $1100 notebook but seeing how AW was doing that for years, it doesn't surprise me. But with regards to them working with manufacturers, they could start with botique brands like Clevo and have them outfit fairly thin gaming notebooks with socket Ryzen + MXM graphics card. Say for example they stick a 1600 equivalent CPU in one with an MXM module and a nice IPS or 120 Hz TN display with loads of options. I can almost GUARANTEE the notebook community will jizz all over the place and be all over it -- I run a site dedicated to notebooks (until I got bored of it) and the hate towards NVIDIA/Intel is very strong right now because they have forced manufacturers away from upgradable socketed CPU and MXM GPUs.
AMD is in a really good position to capture some high margin market right now but it all comes down to them having the right people there directing all this and I'm afraid they likely don't.