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Synthetic tests are not the best choice for comparing things. I'd like to see some real world applications like a render test or even a game. Synthetic tests are known for their fuckery.
I fully agree with both of you on this.
The exciting thing about all of this is not Apple's anti-customer/consumer megacorp attitude, non-upgradable and extremely overpriced devices, but the fact that they are going to be the ones to push mainstream development of the ARM ISA forward.
This will allow other software developers to follow, inside and outside of the Apple ecosystem, which will bring about the coming paradigm shift away from x86-64 - assuming AMD doesn't continue to push forward innovation and competition.
Apple's move forward with ARM on the workstation/desktop/laptop market is what we need to get direct comparisons of ARM to x86-64, both synthetic and real-world.
As for their new products, they are all a major step backward in terms of upgradability, and are extremely anti-consumer as far as the cost goes for what little is being offered.
Apple is a megacorp, but even a megacorp can have a silver-lining, and that is the push forward to ARM and the overall development that will be opened in all industries and markets that would otherwise not be possible or cost-effective.
Fine, then show me productivity, content creation, media creation, photo and video editing, CAD, and Programming benchmarks. Just so you know this image was taken straight from Apple's website about the M1. Also worth noting that Apple shows the Tflops of the M1 at 2.6, which as we're discovering means nothing to GPU performance these days.Because hi-res displays are used exclusively for gaming, and absolutely positively nothing else.
Productivity? Content creation? Media creation? Photo and video editing? CAD and design work? Programming and rendering? Pfff, who needs any of that junk.
Blender, Web Browser tests, Tensorflow, Adobe Premiere, Photoshop, and file compression.Real world applications and games will be tested when laptop and desktop Macs launch. Meanwhile, what common application or game you propose to compare a HEDT x86 running Windows and an ARM phone running iOS?
Blender, Web Browser tests, Tensorflow, Adobe Premiere, Photoshop, and file compression.
File compression was tested. What version of, say Photoshop, runs the same code in an iOS phone and in x86 Windows desktop?Blender, Web Browser tests, Tensorflow, Adobe Premiere, Photoshop, and file compression.
Interestingly somebody in Apple said something about highest expectations being on the GPU side, and I doubt it was due to the GPU in the M1.That their marketing is actively trying to push high end games (despite the lack of power) suggests to me that there’s a strong chance of an in-house discrete GPU in the pipeline.
Or they will work on Macs by the time Apple releases desktops.This will fork the professional market pretty hard. Maybe it finally pushes Autodesk and Black Magic Design off Apple?
I’m not too worried about the lack of upgrade options on the Mac Mini’s, most people who buy them never do upgrade them. I will be far more interested in seeing what they do for their heavier units.
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4664916 (one of the best ones I could find for Intels current high end mobile i7... ya its running Linux but its Dell and the score is higher then the windows running machines they have reported)Here is some benchmark of the m1 chip
no clue how it compares
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4648107
All that power wasted in an Apple device...The current Firestorm core, constrained in a A14 phone, is able to outperform the fastest Intel core and is only pennies behind a top Zen3 core in single thread performance
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The cores in the M1 will run circles around any x86 core. Moreover the Apple design is ultraefficient. The A14 is below 5W, whereas the R9 5950X goes up to 49W in 1T.
Even if you don't fancy an Apple... we all like innovation and competition in full swing!All that power wasted in an Apple device...
Wow 60% higher transistors than Renoir? Thats nuts!A lot of the performance uplift comes from having DRAM so close to the chip as well as a huge 12MB L2 cache. They also devoted a ton of transistors for the large CPU cores, to the point where the total transistors is 60% higher than Renoir.
I bet if AMD decided to go full on SOC (which wont happen) paired with on chip DRAM(HBM!) and a large shared cache (It'll be L3 for AMD due to their cache structure), they can outperform the M1 in single core tasks pretty handily but of course that wont happen.
Doesn't matter because we're interested in how fast it can finish a task. As long as it results in the same file then we shouldn't care if it runs the same code base.File compression was tested. What version of, say Photoshop, runs the same code in an iOS phone and in x86 Windows desktop?
Probably a good thing.Was gonna check the official price but cant due to the Apple site being down -- you can look but pushing BUY does nothing.
$1700 for 16 gm of ram and a 2tb drive. At least at this site: https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...VaJzQIHVpBC2cQ7xYoAHoECBkQMA&biw=1331&bih=774
WOW that's pricey.
Was gonna check the official price but cant due to the Apple site being down -- you can look but pushing BUY does nothing.
I am just as ready as you are to see true 1:1 benchmarks comparing ARM64 to x86-64 on these as well.Fine, then show me productivity, content creation, media creation, photo and video editing, CAD, and Programming benchmarks. Just so you know this image was taken straight from Apple's website about the M1. Also worth noting that Apple shows the Tflops of the M1 at 2.6, which as we're discovering means nothing to GPU performance these days.
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More then I expected out of their first gen mobile part. That multi threaded isn't mad when you consider its only 4 "big" cores.Geekbench
- Mac Mini: 1682 / 7097
- MacBook Air: 1687 / 7433
- MacBook Pro: 1714 / 6802
- 5900x - 1605 / 12869
- 5950x - 1573 / 13605
Hold your horses, it's only one benchmark suite.More then I expected out of their first gen mobile part. That multi threaded isn't mad when you consider its only 4 "big" cores.
If they iron out software kinks with this mobile generation.... AMD and Intel are going to have have some heat next year when the desktop parts roll out.
Of course. Still a lot of shake out... hardware wise never mind all the potential software issues. For sure though Intel is going to feel the pain... they lost the business. They been feeling the pressure from AMD on the mobile front, where they have been basically without competition for ages. Now to rub the salt in, yes Apple looks like its going to pull some major mind share if not market share. (but probably both)Hold your horses, it's only one benchmark suite.
I don’t think Apple cares at all for the ”spec game”.Finally got the the official site. Only 8gb models for sale. With 256gb storage $699 and 512 is $899.
Lets see.. get a new rx 6800 xt next week or one of these. Apple prices are just too high for the specs. At least they are cheaper then the same specked Intel model.
If they want to lure people into the ecosystem they won’t talk about processor speed
in MacBook Air, M1 is faster than the chips in 98 percent of PC laptops sold in the past year
This is so absurd as if you compare Intel and AMD chips using different versions of the software.Doesn't matter because we're interested in how fast it can finish a task. As long as it results in the same file then we shouldn't care if it runs the same code base.