Anybody getting these new monsters?

Leadman584

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Been runnin a steady diet of Tinkers for couple of weeks on faster machine (still take 35 hours to complete), but today, got a weird one. 100 steps, nearly 15 minutes a step, and it chews up roughly 150MB or RAM. Logfile description is, Gromac Core Ver. 1.67. Protein is P1301_1RYP_AAAA_UM. Out of curiosity went to Folding@Home to see what this monster is. Got the following info on News page, and thought you guys would be interested.

" 8/20/2004 New projects: P130x
We have some new exciting projects just being released. They are unlike any project we've done before and "break" some of the normal FAH rules:

1. They're a lot bigger than the normal FAH WUs in terms of the RAM they take (hundreds of MB) and the net transfer (~5MB). To keep them only in the hands of those who have the resources for them, they require the "big WU" switch in the v5 client, enough RAM, and enough netbandwidth.
2. Since they take more resources, there is are bonus points associated with them (right now, a 50% bonus over the standard benchmark value). This value may increase or change if needed.

3. One other way that these WUs are different is that they are more likely to EARLY_END. Don't be surprised if this happens and don't worry: they are still scientifically important and clients get partial credit for the fraction completed.

This is new ground for FAH, which is scientifically very exciting. I hope to have some important new results to report in January, once these WUs have run for a few months."

By the numbers I'm seeing, If the project completes (see Stanford statement above), one of these honkers should complete in @ 26HRS, on my machine. Obviously AMD's, MACS will take less time. Kinda curious as to how big the 50% bonus is. OK, I see there is a passing mention of the things, can't hurt to have the Stanford statement here. I set the bigpackets option (obviously) and use -local -advmethods and -forceasm flags. Hopefully this will help get more of these things in the hands of [H]orde teammates. Gotta go upgrade my old Rig to 5.02 core, maybe get another of these. Got tons of RAM on both of these machines, both on cable.
 
Inflating points yet again.
A very clever way to get the smaller teams/individuals feeling they still have a chance in the point standings. That is, if a former large producer doing 10,000 WU for 45,000 points and loses his production to whatever issues and a new folder comes along with less firepower he will much more easy pass the 45k points, since it only takes, say, 1000 WU.

<fill in the blank with your own conclusions here>
 
Got one.
Only folds for 2.8 PpHpG on my AMD boxen.

It you want point then try the p12** Tinkers on an AMD box.
p1219 = 10 Hours 50 mins for 88 points
Thats at 4 PpHpG.
Fastest I've seen yet.

Luck........ :D
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yup, I have a few of those P1219 proteins now... 3 of them actually....

Athlon XP 2000+ ===> ~1min 7sec per frame...
P4C 2.4 @ 3.0 with 2 instances ===> ~2min 45sec
P4 2.66GHz with instance ===> ~2min 20sec

of course, they're 500 frame monsters... but the AMD boxes tear through them like a 2 year old through birthday cake :D


Keep on Folding!!

 
Not only I got one of those Gromac core versions, I have two running on one of my dual P3 Xeon server in the basement.
 
Stupid thing crashed after 14 steps, checking at folding forum shows this is the norm. Just wish I could stop getting Tinkers, pentiums don't like em much. 35 Hours for a single WU sucks. My stuff is all pentium for video reasons, but why can't I just get those nice Gromacs that run less than a minute per step? They keep sending me Tinkers, and I am not happy :mad: . Can you somehow block Tinkers and save em for AMD, or MAC users?
 
I wish I could stop getting Tinkers on my PIII 700 box and wish Gromacs would stop invading my mobile Barton box. Somehow, they manange to get the wrong WUs for their strengths. The sad part is that I run -advmethods on the PIII and don't use the switch on the AMD box.
 
One trick you can do if you want to move folder around so that each machine folds what it does best is set them all up with the same user id and different machine id.
If you have more than 8 cores running then set them up in blocks of 8.

First on one boxen make the required numbers of folder nameing them so you know which machine id your going to give each client.
I use F@H1 to F@H? where ? is your max number.
Install the client in each folder and make the shortcut to start it.
Add the -local flag and the -advmethods one if needed.
Then when you run the config at the start just make change the machine id in the advanced section to match the folder number.
And set the backup time to 3 mins.
Once there all up and running just shut all down bar one.
Move the whole floder to the box you want it to work on.
Now rename each folder after the box it running on.
Doing that will make it easier to keep track of the folders when you swop them between boxen.
Set up the short cut in the start menu to start them useing the -local switch and again the -advmethods as needed and your good to go.

Now if an AMD's go a Gromac and an Intel's got a Tinker just shut them both down.
Swop both folders and then rename them.
Start them up again and Stanford will not know you have changed anything.
So no risk of looseing points.

Edit.
You will also probably have to edit the registry on the boxen you have moved the boxen to.
You need the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE -> SOFTWARE -> PandeGroup -> Folding@Home -> UserID to be the same between all the boxen.
In all my boxen that key has...
(Default) - REG_SZ - (value not set)
UserID - REG_BINARY - "hex string".

Luck......... :D
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Got another of these honkers going, but already finished 44 steps. After reading at Folding forum, removed -forceasm flag. 750 MHz overclock+ forceasm=guaranteed crash. Still taking 14 mins. a step, but at least it's still running. Would love to see one complete, but haven't heard of that yet. Anybody here finished one? Need some points, all the," projected overtakes" by the end of the month, are now "overtake not possible". Wish I had a crap load of cpu's to throw into the fray, but sadly can't afford, right this moment. Got a referral blowing through folks though. Phunky_Monkey blew past me in a 3rd the time, I've been folding. With 33 MAC's, he will easily be in the top 500 on the team by the end of the month. I'm not sure if I should be happy or sad, that someone can get that high with less than a month's folding, for America's premiere folding team. On the plus side, we've gotten 55 new members in the last 6 days. Hope 5 of em take it seriously, new members are only chance we got of getting back to #1.
 
Woo hoo, it just completed. 23HRS, 24MIN total processing time. Hopefully the points are good, but I'm just proud my machine made the full run. OC'd machines, supposedly, aren't stable enough to finish one of these things. Having built this rig, with very limited prior experiences in OC'ing, or RAID. It feels good to finish one of these skittish babies.
 
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