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any 64bit linux out there?
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Nearly every major Linux distro offers a 64bit version, and has for a year or two now.
Edit: Sorry, missed the second part. What part of Vista 64bit support is sophisticated to you? That will help in answering what the differences may be.
Edit: Sorry, missed the second part. What part of Vista 64bit support is sophisticated to you? That will help in answering what the differences may be.
Been running Gentoo64 for quite some time now
Have 3D desktop and all that jazz as well
you really need to ask what abt Vista you would like to see. The only thing that Vista has that Linux doesn't (and WONT!!!) is all that BS-DRM shuved down yr throat
Have 3D desktop and all that jazz as well
you really need to ask what abt Vista you would like to see. The only thing that Vista has that Linux doesn't (and WONT!!!) is all that BS-DRM shuved down yr throat
Uh, there is more reasons for Linux:
- Open source software that allows you to compile from source
- Linux supports every platform available
- Linux has native support built for whatever you build it for.
- Linux runs considerably better in terms of stability, security, and performance wise when compared to Vista
- Linux supplies all of the software you essentially need for no cost.
- Linux runs a majority of Windows applications to a good extent.
- Linux file sharing is virtually platform independent
- Linux in general is pretty much platform independent
- Linux lets you do whatever your little heart desires
Two reasons for Vista:
- It plays games with DirectX 10
- It will allow you to make little children cry when you show them it's RAM management.
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I am actually kind of happy gaming is a limitation on Linux and keeps the borders up.
what i want, is, complete 64bit driver support for all my hardware, like my 8800 card, drivers for my motherboard (d975xbx), my printer (epson r200), full use of my 4gb memory.
capable of 128x128 (if i want), big icons like in vista, cleartype. etc...
capable of 128x128 (if i want), big icons like in vista, cleartype. etc...
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Yes - but your still thinking in Windows world.
Linux is suited for anything - that is the joy of being able to compile source code for your hardware. I have a Intel Core 2 Duo that works amazing in Linux.
Linux is suited for anything - that is the joy of being able to compile source code for your hardware. I have a Intel Core 2 Duo that works amazing in Linux.
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Well, most of what you would like to see has long since been available. With that said, judging by that 8800 series card you are looking to game. That is an area Linux is likely to never successfully compete in, 64bit or not.
A lot of high end server and production software can benefit from 64bit applications with large memory access, so Linux naturally drifted that way as soon as the hardware technology was available. Some benefit is there in a desktop sense, but as with Windows 64bit (XP Pro 64bit, Vista, etc) it's pretty minimal- and that is simply because there is little need for it presently. A lot of people will say there never will be, but of course there will
Currently, Vista brings little to the table that Linux (of MacOS for that matter) does not already offer. Sadly the few things it does are pretty important to a lot of people, like DX10 or proper DRM support to play their DRM media.
A lot of high end server and production software can benefit from 64bit applications with large memory access, so Linux naturally drifted that way as soon as the hardware technology was available. Some benefit is there in a desktop sense, but as with Windows 64bit (XP Pro 64bit, Vista, etc) it's pretty minimal- and that is simply because there is little need for it presently. A lot of people will say there never will be, but of course there will
Currently, Vista brings little to the table that Linux (of MacOS for that matter) does not already offer. Sadly the few things it does are pretty important to a lot of people, like DX10 or proper DRM support to play their DRM media.
I know the benefits of Linux, been using it for something like 7years
people coming from windows don't want to be bogged down by elitist talk of GNU-zeolotism about how linux free's them from the constraints that were imposed by windows, they want to know they can get done what they could get done in windows
but it seems I hit the nail on the head with the GFX question... (see post later on
)I have a nVidia 7900GT and am at present using Berly+AiGLX to provide me a 3D desktop (virtual desktop cube, transparancy,wabble...) and it is very smooth (can be without it now, soo many smoother looking things).
the 8800 was actually support within a day of it being released (in 64bit as well!!! at full performance - something that even Vista cant do...). nvidia released some beta drivers to allow the 8800 to work. these drivers as of abt a month ago went "stable" so yer your card is supported
don't rule out gaming. Two big games due out in the next couple of months (bar delays) are Ut2007 and QuakeWars, both will have (at launch or shortly after) Native Linux clients!!! (ie no need for emulation!)
Both these are on my list. Also if you do have windows-only games then Wine (esp the latest) is actually pretty good (WoW runs fine)
We all need to bow our heads and give thanks to nVidia. They have really been troopers ever since last year in getting drivers, support, and updates mobilized for us Linux users. The demand has risen completely in Linux needs. Also, nVidia backs OpenGL more than they do DirectX right now since their "CG" is based from OpenGL.
Look at the 8800GTX demos. Three of the best ones are in OpenGL!
As long as the industry makes OpenGL games... The Wine dudes can pick us up from there.
Yup WoW runs fine (I don't play but got a mate to install Ubuntu and although he spends most time in Win he is playing WoW and using Ubuntu alot)
Also just installed DawnOfWar
C (a DX3D9 games) and that is ok (bit slow to load)OpenGL games + WINE seems to have the least problem since the biggest hurdle is DirectX (which keeps getting better)
not a magic pill mind, but a start
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WTF?
Do you seriously think it would be very bright for nVidia to open their drivers sources? That would be the stupidest thing they could do. It would be cool but they spent tons of money to beat the competition (read ATI) and surely have lots of hardware and software secrets.
Now just because you think you the know it all the want it all and if I understand you correctly nVidia owes you something. You should be happy they are putting some efforts in Linux and more happy it's good quality.
I agree with Whatsisname, his wording is a bit harsh, but it still holds true.
Just look at every other open source application compared to the best closed sourse alternative, and tell me which one has the most features and functionality, which one is the most stable and secure....
With only a few exceptions, Open source comes on top.
Just look at every other open source application compared to the best closed sourse alternative, and tell me which one has the most features and functionality, which one is the most stable and secure....
With only a few exceptions, Open source comes on top.
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hmmm....... linux generally has better out of the box support, so yes your motherboard will work, I just check the cups database the epson photo stylus r200 is listed, so it should work. Yes your 8800 card has drivers.......
I know gnome can do 128x128 icons, in fact I think it can do 300x300-512x512 icons if you wanted (svg icons ftw). Most icon themes have 128x128 icons, and any with scalable vector images should allow for larger icons. As per the interface, you could use a composting window manager such as compiz or beryl, with either XGL/AIGLX, or the nvidia AIGLX, which literally destroys aero.
BTW guys XGL and AIGLX is does not give you the fancy effects, that up to the window manager (actually gnomes window manager metacity [gnome 2.16+] also contain fancy effect such as a glass shattering effect when apps are closed). XGL and AIGLX are a layer over / an extension, to xorg that allow for hardware acceleration, more or less XGL and AIGLX allows for window managers to use opengl and off load fancy effects from the cpu to the video card.
I know gnome can do 128x128 icons, in fact I think it can do 300x300-512x512 icons if you wanted (svg icons ftw). Most icon themes have 128x128 icons, and any with scalable vector images should allow for larger icons. As per the interface, you could use a composting window manager such as compiz or beryl, with either XGL/AIGLX, or the nvidia AIGLX, which literally destroys aero.
BTW guys XGL and AIGLX is does not give you the fancy effects, that up to the window manager (actually gnomes window manager metacity [gnome 2.16+] also contain fancy effect such as a glass shattering effect when apps are closed). XGL and AIGLX are a layer over / an extension, to xorg that allow for hardware acceleration, more or less XGL and AIGLX allows for window managers to use opengl and off load fancy effects from the cpu to the video card.
I can't say I agree with everyone you said...
For one, Vista's memory manager has become more like the one found in Linux 2.4/2.6. Instead of paging everything around, it will start using all of the RAM, and *then* start using the HDD... much better than XP. People who don't take this into account will often view the memory load and wonder, "Why so high?" - but really - it's a good thing.
"Linux runs considerably better in terms of stability, security, and performance wise when compared to Vista"
It does? FC5 crashes on my mail server all of the time, while FC3 was much better. Security in Vista is pretty good, at least theoretically. The problem with Windows is it has critical mass. Even OSX is being compromised now... I love Linux as much as the next guy, but broad statements like yours are dangerous.
Performance can be good, but it depends on the app in question. If you have to go through WINE / Cedega, Windows performance is better. The native Linux Quake 4 client is slower than the Windows one, too. (Not complaining, just happy they released a client.)
By far the "zaniest" one of your statements is this:
"Linux runs a majority of Windows applications to a good extent."
Really? Wine is far from perfect and a good majority of your Windows apps will not run!
can you post a link, for the 8800gtx demos?