Announcing the Epic Games Store

Discussion in 'HardForum Tech News' started by cageymaru, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Time2Kill

    Time2Kill [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,154
    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2005
    After dealing with the atrocity that is Epic support, this isn't good. Took almost a month and a ton of pleading to even get a response from Epic on a stolen account and tons of searches on Google show plenty of other people too that are completely ignored by Epic support. I thought Valve was bad, but Epic takes the cake on this one.
     
  2. Delicieuxz

    Delicieuxz Gawd

    Messages:
    978
    Joined:
    May 11, 2016
    Tencent owns a 40% stake in Epic, while Sweeney or Epic or whatever hold the other 60%. So, Epic is still their own boss - just with a lot more money.

    "Tencent Holdings has the right to nominate directors to the board of Epic Games and thus counts as an associate of the Group. However, Sweeney stated that Tencent otherwise has very little control on the creative output of Epic Games. Mark Rein considered the partial acquisition by Tencent as the start of "Epic 4.0", the fourth major iteration of the company, allowing the company to be more agile in the gaming marketplace."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games#Games_as_a_Service_and_Tencent_acquisition_(2012–present)


    Sweeney's advocacy against Windows 10's UWP and Microsoft's monopolistic practices is a positive thing, IMO.
     
    dragonstongue likes this.
  3. Bankie

    Bankie [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,583
    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2004
    The amount of money they have and their customer base only tells me that they'll be somewhat successful; not that they'll improve the marketplace. I'll believe that it's helped if I see the normal price for games being lower than Steam. Steam just announced that they were lowering the store fee for popular games but does anyone think that it will improve anything for consumers? I can almost guarantee that we'll not see any changes. For AAA games it's still going to be a launcher for another launcher. It's great that indie studios will get more of a cut but I don't feel that that will translate into lower prices or better games for us.
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2018
  4. ryno9100

    ryno9100 Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    217
    Joined:
    May 25, 2016
    You're right on every count. Epic will need to offer some sort of hook to pull people away from Steam and onto their launcher. They can't rely on people being tired of Steam for move customers over. I'm tired of Steam, but I won't change easily because it's far too convenient and easy to have everything in one place.
    My hope is that Epic knows this and has a plan to deal with it. As I said before, if Fortnite BR is any indicator, they'll keep a good eye out and come up with something that works for us and them.
     
    Bankie likes this.
  5. ScuNioN

    ScuNioN [H]Lite

    Messages:
    108
    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2016
    There is and then you can check the lowest current price and history (this has been off and on over the past few months).

    https://isthereanydeal.com/
     
    Darunion likes this.
  6. JStamsek

    JStamsek [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    8,854
    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2016
    Finish Unreal Tournament already. You Epic fucks! Lol
     
    Bigshrimp and Krenum like this.
  7. Flogger23m

    Flogger23m [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    10,124
    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2009
    Makes you wonder what happened to Source 2. I recall Valve claiming they would make a modern game engine, 100% free. They could have taken the fight to Epic, but now Epic has taken the fight to Valve.

    I think this may be a classic case of a company simply faltering on their own for not keeping up. Valve haven't put out a good game in a long time and they're quickly loosing relevance in digital distribution. Most of their off the wall technology projects have been flops.
     
  8. Oldmodder

    Oldmodder Gawd

    Messages:
    707
    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2018
    I have Origin and now steam too, i am torn as to what that make me feel like.
    But i think i am happy no one seem to make games i would fancy, ATM i have one game installed and i think thats how it will remain for the foreseeable future.
     
  9. scojer

    scojer 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    4,090
    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2009
    When Steam first came out I was very very active on SPUF (Their forums)
    When they closed down I went from primarily over there to primarily here.

    Kyle already has the community, and if people use the program, they'll visit here. More views here = more ad clicks = more revenue.
     
  10. Nytegard

    Nytegard 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    3,126
    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2004
    That's porn.

    The remaining 30% is memes, cat videos, and whining.

    As for this, we'll see what happens. I don't even know how many epic games there are.
     
  11. M76

    M76 [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    9,643
    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Well most launchers allow you to put an icon for the game directly on your desktop. So you can just think of origin/steam/uplay as the installer. You don't even see it if it's not on autostart and you start your games by clicking on the icons. So it's not like with streaming where you're stuck with a proprietary crappy player interface for every service.
     
    GoldenTiger likes this.
  12. Nytegard

    Nytegard 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    3,126
    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2004
    There are certain reasons I'd whine. Companies coming out with defective hardware that cost a fortune to buy is one. This, I can understand to a point. Competition is good, but a few large places do lower prices overall. Think lots of mom and pop stores vs Walmart. Walmart can provide lower prices because they can buy in bulk. I look at things like Blizzard games, or Call of Duty. You seldom ever see sales for them until years after the games are defunct. But a place like Steam can sort of enforce their will against indie developers to have 80% sales just a few months after those games were released.

    As far as gamer reviews, yeah, I'm with you. I don't trust user reviews anymore. Maybe because I'm just getting older, and don't really understand these new popular games.
     
  13. TheCommander

    TheCommander 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,999
    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2003
    Origin works very well. I have had less problems with it than with Steam in the past. Both are solid applications though.
     
  14. KazeoHin

    KazeoHin [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    7,888
    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2011
    As someone who has worked for Epic, I can say that they are one of the most developer-focused companies out there. They actually care about the industry and use money to make games, not the other way around.
     
  15. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

    Messages:
    48,441
    Joined:
    May 18, 1997
    Bingo!
     
  16. ryno9100

    ryno9100 Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    217
    Joined:
    May 25, 2016
    It's awesome to hear a former employee say as much! I very rarely see positive feedback from former employees of most major gaming companies. Might have to give the Epic launcher a little more love than I originally planned to.
     
  17. Denpepe

    Denpepe [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,221
    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2015
    Now they just need to make a gamer I would like to play. I always preferred id games to Epics' shame the id as we knew it is gone but their games are still good.
     
  18. Denpepe

    Denpepe [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,221
    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2015
    That would be GoG's Galaxy.
     
  19. aaronspink

    aaronspink 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,122
    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2004
    Which lets be honest has been around longer than most things besides Steam and is DRM free.
     
  20. dgz

    dgz [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    5,385
    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2010
    As a matter of fact, yes. At some point they had manged to silently insert an entry in auto start without ever asking. The new UT is crap and it's not that new anymore. Don't care about Fortnite. Easy choice
     
  21. DPI

    DPI Nitpick Police

    Messages:
    10,960
    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2013
    Valve isn't sweating Epic, there isn't going to be any overnight exodus from Steam simply because of lower fees at a smaller store elsewhere. Steam's reach and exposure is the real value proposition to publishers happy to pay 30%. Keeping 70% of $10,000,000 > keeping 88% of $10,000.

    What will work in Epic's favor however is the fact that Valve aren't shitheads that demand exclusivity conditionally to publish in their store. Valve's move to the tiered 20-25-30 is more about the overall slippage of big AAA's that have been splintering off to publishers' own mickey mouse launchers and stores.

    Epic does seem like one of the better companies in the industry and Tim Sweeney has been deadly accurate in his assessment of things like Windows 10 being consumer-hostile, so I wish them success--it's going to take time.
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2018
  22. Flogger23m

    Flogger23m [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    10,124
    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2009
    It certainly won't be an overnight shift. But Valve has been loosing their dominance for a while. Again, read my post above. A lot of kids getting into PC gaming might not even be using Steam. Some of the most popular MP games aren't even on Steam. Similar to how some kids aren't familiar with PCs anymore because they use their phone 90% of the time. Valve as of late haven't done anything interesting and have essentially been playing "me too!" and catch up. Origin refunds, Discord becoming the gamer's social app of choice are examples.

    Valve can certainly turn around but they need to do it before it is too late. Call of Duty, Battlefield, Overwatch, Fortnite - all not on Steam. I half expect next year for Ubisoft to jump from Steam entirely. I believe R6S was the killer app they needed to make Uplay stand on its own. If the next Assassin's Creed game is Uplay exclusive I wouldn't be shocked.
     
  23. Denpepe

    Denpepe [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,221
    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2015
    The lack of DRM is holding them back which I don't mind but it will keep most AAA games out of their store.

    Don't forget Bethesda games, fallout 76 might be a clusterfuck but if they also add their other games it will take off, quake champions is also already on there.
     
    Flogger23m likes this.
  24. Bigshrimp

    Bigshrimp Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    293
    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2009
    It's getting crowded in the PC online game store market.
     
  25. DPI

    DPI Nitpick Police

    Messages:
    10,960
    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2013
    This is right. Misconception about Steam is that it's a DRM-only store, and that Valve mandates DRM. In fact it's not, as there are many DRM-free games on Steam.

    The difference between Steam and GOG is that Steam provides publishers a DRM "on/off switch" for their titles. It's up to the publisher to enable it or not. GOG doesn't provide that opt-in, and their catalog will forever suffer for it. Most gamers don't care about OCD-copying their games to DVDs and storing them in a vault for the apocalypse.

    This, btw, is my biggest gripe with the windows 10 store and why it's such cancer that, thank god, hasnt taken off - there are six layers of mandatory DRM to everything in there - even the f'ing freeware.
     
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2018
  26. M76

    M76 [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    9,643
    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Then why can't I remember any epic game since unreal tournament 2003?
     
  27. Deathroned

    Deathroned Gawd

    Messages:
    555
    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2015
    Less Government handouts= less taxes which means you don't pay more for games.
     
  28. Deathroned

    Deathroned Gawd

    Messages:
    555
    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2015
    Exactly

    Are you freelancing now or did you end up at EA, Ubi etc?

    I Disagree for AAA GameDevs Steam is nothing but a glorified file hosting service, they already have reach on their own, its not like Valve writes Drivers, Windows OS, has an actual
    QA department fully staffed by humans, non robotic customer Service, Actual Curation, they don't even design hardware nor market anything, unlike Apple, Sony and Xbox who earn their 30% per sale, even GOG help with QA and Will help you with Marketing, unless you are a purveyor of Shovel Ware and Unity Asset Flips, steam is nothing but a useless cesspit that serves to dilute your brand.
     
    BSmith likes this.
  29. Denpepe

    Denpepe [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,221
    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2015
    Currently I have most major stores installed on my pc and honestly and also to my surprise, steam is the one is used the least this last year. Been mostly playing wow, overwatch, destiny 2 on Battle.net, the division on Uplay, quake champions on Bethnet and SW battlefront 2 and bejeweled 3 on Origin, on steam some POE and Grim dawn, and started a replay of Doom 2016.

    Then again 2018 was a lousy year for PC games imho
     
    GoldenTiger likes this.
  30. Trepidati0n

    Trepidati0n [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    8,867
    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2004
    I found all the gabe followers on the forum. >.<

    Epic is the only other "game company" out there that has the raw cash to do this. All the other game stores out there are small potatoes compared to Steam. If they go after this hard for 3-4 years then steam WILL have a competitor because a) the unreal engine does not suck b) the 12% max versus the 30%-35% for steam (+unreal) is a huge difference for a developer. Furthermore, stop thinking the world is still in Win95; launchers these days are fairly bullet proof. If my neighbors who do not actively engage in PC tech can figure this stuff out in a less than an hour...pretty sure the demographic they are targeting can do it with no issues.

    Regardless, with this model a developer can sell a game for $45 on EPIC vs $60 on steam and still generate more revenue per unit sale. If you do not think this will encourage people to use this new service....ahahhahahah. Maybe for $5 or less I would stick with steam for a purchases..but for $15....I can easily waste an hour on a new/store launcher.
     
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2018
  31. Kardonxt

    Kardonxt 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,999
    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2009
    In all likelihood they will sell the game at the same price as steam, just make more profit. Which I'm fine with, but let's not kid ourselves and expect savings will be passed on to us.
     
    nilepez and Bankie like this.
  32. Twisted Kidney

    Twisted Kidney 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    3,500
    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2013
    I hope it flies, competition is good.

    In my dreams Valve is put under pressure and forced to diversify. They even try making their own fucking games for a change.
     
  33. Krenum

    Krenum [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    15,642
    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2005
  34. Trepidati0n

    Trepidati0n [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    8,867
    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2004
    I doubt it. Basic economics says that a lower price will generate more sales. There are many more games I would try at $45 vs $60 and the new store makes that a ZERO COST to to developer. For example, I will not buy darksiders III @ $60. It is not a $60 game TO ME. However, many who have player and/or reviewed it would agree it is a $40-$45 game as do I. This very differnce between a 12% cut and 30-35% gives a dev who creates a stellar AAA game the ability charge that typical $60 and reap the profits and those who come up just short still a chance to make solid sales and try again.
     
  35. DPI

    DPI Nitpick Police

    Messages:
    10,960
    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2013
    You're kind of all over the road here but unfortunately your personal opinion doesn't change or even relate to the facts I stated.

    I'd recommend emailing that rant to the big publishers on Steam - I'm sure they'll find it convincing.
     
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2018
  36. Etherton

    Etherton Will Bang for Poof

    Messages:
    6,991
    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2006
    As long as they don't turn out like Valve. Once upon a time they made cool games for gamers too.
     
    daphatgrant likes this.
  37. Bankie

    Bankie [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,583
    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2004
    So did EA sell their own games for less when they pulled them from Steam and switched to Origin? Does Ubisoft sell their games on Uplay for less than they do on Steam? Is Witcher 3 cheaper on GOG than it is on Steam? Do the indie studios that sell their games directly do it for less than they do on Steam or GOG or another store?
     
    Kardonxt likes this.
  38. Deathroned

    Deathroned Gawd

    Messages:
    555
    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2015
    here are some Steam Spy Numbers

    https://steamspy.com/year/
     
  39. elation

    elation Gawd

    Messages:
    792
    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2003
    I didn't realize the cut that Valve takes per sale. An average 30%! That seems like highway robbery to me.
     
    BSmith likes this.
  40. Comixbooks

    Comixbooks Ignore Me

    Messages:
    13,882
    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2008
    That is alot but I suppose it's to keep the servers funded along with all the space for screenshots saves and game data along with paying employees.