AMD’s High-End ‘Radeon RX’

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power usage will be a serious factor in how much performance they can get out of this chip. They will have to load on more cores, and reduce power usage to hit their target performance metric. These cards are already pushed to their absolute limits, which also fucks power efficiency. They've been doing it since the fury. They just don't have enough performance to run these cards at their optimal power efficiancy. With the next gen, they might just have to overload the hardware, so it can sip power and delivery that top tier performance under 300W.
 

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power usage will be a serious factor in how much performance they can get out of this chip. They will have to load on more cores, and reduce power usage to hit their target performance metric. These cards are already pushed to their absolute limits, which also fucks power efficiency. They've been doing it since the fury. They just don't have enough performance to run these cards at their optimal power efficiency. With the next gen, they might just have to overload the hardware, so it can sip power and delivery that top tier performance under 300W.
The article says that it is using 7nm+. I would also imagine that they have spent this extra time between the 5700 and whatever this will be called improving efficiency in whatever ways they can (in addition to the 7+ node improvements).
 

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Based upon? I don’t know when anything is launching, but I’m hoping CES will give a clearer picture.
Speculation from a few 'leaked' sources. The chips supposedly have already been in production (manufacturing), and usually it's around 6 months till release once we hear that. If they are going to be shipping ps5/xboxxxxxx q4 2020, they would have already started ramping up production of those chips (volume in the millions takes time (ie months) to crank out.
 

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Speculation from a few 'leaked' sources. The chips supposedly have already been in production (manufacturing), and usually it's around 6 months till release once we hear that. If they are going to be shipping ps5/xboxxxxxx q4 2020, they would have already started ramping up production of those chips (volume in the millions takes time (ie months) to crank out.
High end Navi and XBX/PS5 will have entirely different volume levels and production.
High end cards account for less than 1% of what consumers use. It is likely that AMD will not need millions at launch to fulfill the high end PC market segment.

APU/GPU’s in consoles are semi-custom and never can be top processors because of cost.
Production between these two parts aren’t and cannot be interrelated.

I haven’t seen anything in rumors other than AMD has a high end card coming. Which normally with that sort of rumor we’d have a lot more info. Still it’s a very big blind guess to hear a rumor and guess “6 months!” If we did that every time we heard a rumor about a card... well let’s just say we would’ve lived through enough disappointment to not continue thinking that way.

High end Navi could show up this week at CES. It could be the end of the year. No real way to know other than official information.
 
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power usage will be a serious factor in how much performance they can get out of this chip. They will have to load on more cores, and reduce power usage to hit their target performance metric. These cards are already pushed to their absolute limits, which also fucks power efficiency. They've been doing it since the fury. They just don't have enough performance to run these cards at their optimal power efficiancy. With the next gen, they might just have to overload the hardware, so it can sip power and delivery that top tier performance under 300W.
5700xt is the same performance and power usage as 2070 super, for less money.
 
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5700xt is the same performance and power usage as 2070 super, for less money.
On a 7nm node.

Also, you can around 90-95% of the 5700 performance at like 50 less watts, which is ludicrous. Instead of shipping something that sipped power, they decided to push the envelope to the max and sacrificed their perceived efficiency.
 

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On a 7nm node.
In my opinion, 7nm Vs anything larger, shouldn't really matter at this point, to the end consumer. What matters is the performance and for a few people, performance per watt. At this point in time, AMD matches or is at least very close, in performance per watt. In the performance tiers at which they have products. Indeed, it seems like heat is the reason they couldn't release a product last summer, with more shader cores, to compete with the 2080ti. As even a nice third party cooler may be tapped out on a bigger Navi, based on last summer's design. So, improving power efficiency relative to the node size, should be a main goal. And news and rumors suggests that may be the case.

Now, if they can't bridge the high end gap with the next major product release, then maybe we can poo poo the fact they they are on 7nm. But at this point in time, 7nm helped AMD get competitive. So, I'm happy to have it. And I don't think they are sitting on their hands, in terms of R&D for improving.

Also, you can around 90-95% of the 5700 performance at like 50 less watts, which is ludicrous. Instead of shipping something that sipped power, they decided to push the envelope to the max and sacrificed their perceived efficiency.
That extra 50 watts is likely to make sure that every piece of silicon they ship as a 5700XT, maintains the target clock rate. Otherwise they would end up stockpiling a bunch of 5700XT which don't quite make it. And then what, dilute the product line with a slightly less performing product? Doesn't make sense. Especially not at launch. Again, they certainly have some room to improve, relative to the node size. But as far as product performance Vs. price, AMD is just fine.
 

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Wait for Ampere! Same shit, different colour.
Who says that?
The people buying Turing?
Not so much...first time I have heard this one...NVIDIA did not need to wait for Ampere to rule the high end.
Meanwhile AMD fans has been going through:
"Wait for DX12"
"Wait for Vega"
"Wait for Navi"
"wait for RNDA"....
See the pattern?
 

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I've seen this one before...

It goes like this: (replace the nickname with Hawaii, Fury, Vega, Navi etc.)

Step 1: AMD releases a lacklustre, overpriced, over-hyped, overly hot, pushed-to-its-limits GPU that only competes because of razor-thin profit margins.

Step 2: this new GPU is met with lukewarm reviews and ultimately it is ignored by the general public.

Step 3: AMD fans try to figure out a way to explain why AMD can't compete in the high-end market. They argue in forums and comments threads about how this new GPU was always meant to be a underwhelming, mid-tier product and AMD is sandbagging.

Step 4: WTFTech and others post random leaks about some new AMD GPU "nickname X" that competes against the current years-old Nvidia Halo product.

Step 5: the new AMD slogan is "wait for Nickname X, That's the REAL high end!"

Step 6: Nvidia release their new products that are faster, consume less power and have wider profit margins than last generation, making the old goalpost completely irrelevant.

Step 7: repeat from step 1.
 

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Big Navi!
https://www.techspot.com/news/83615-amd-lisa-su-doubles-down-big-navi-zen.html
”I’ve heard a little bit through Twitter and Reddit that people are wondering about, you know, Big Navi. I can say you're gonna see Big Navi in 2020. There might be few people wondering about Zen 3 as well, and I can tell you that Zen 3 is doing really well, we are excited about it, and I look forward talking about that later in 2020," said Su.
https://www.techspot.com/news/83615-amd-lisa-su-doubles-down-big-navi-zen.html
 

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Nice to know at some point AMD will release a higher performing card. I am more curious in what pricing structure AMD will be using compared to Nvidia, will it be more like the 5700XT/5700, or the less than stellar $/perf of the 5600XT and 5500XT compared to Nvidia?

Looking at GDC, so far from AMD it does not look like anything out of the ordinary for talking about new GPU's:
https://schedule.gdconf.com/search-sessions/amd

Compared AMD's listed schedule to Nvidia's much more exciting one, a lot dealing with RT (a good thing) while AMD had zero:
https://schedule.gdconf.com/search-sessions/amd

Well If I went to GDC this year I know which party I would be sitting in. Of course a lot more can be added as time goes on.
 

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Who says that?
The people buying Turing?
Not so much...first time I have heard this one...NVIDIA did not need to wait for Ampere to rule the high end.
Meanwhile AMD fans has been going through:
"Wait for DX12"
"Wait for Vega"
"Wait for Navi"
"wait for RNDA"....
See the pattern?
:ROFLMAO:
Of course you had to wait for those things because at the time they were not out yet o_O.

Seems like you have some rather vague generalizations dealing with AMD users as well. AMD may concentrate on gaming performance and leave Nvidia to salvage RTX, put a lot of resources into it, load down the chips with a lot of RT cores which for many users and games will sit idle. Well for most games that is the case now. People, as in Nvidia users, play thousands of different types of games, not many have RTX. The past does may not indicate the next round in any case. Folks just need to buy the best card/gpu for their uses, by whoever.

I will probably end up with the high end from both companies as usual or something that actually makes sense. Turing was such a letdown from a $/perf prospective, poor feature support, misleading marketing -> If the past represent the future, I hope folks will enjoy the next round of Nvidia misleading marketing, prices and features that most folks leave off making that extra die space you paid for worthless and of course the initial round of mass card failures. Since the past may not be indicative of the future, I hope Nvidia kicks ass and has some brilliant stuff for us to play with. That goes for AMD as well.
 

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Nice to know at some point AMD will release a higher performing card. I am more curious in what pricing structure AMD will be using compared to Nvidia, will it be more like the 5700XT/5700, or the less than stellar $/perf of the 5600XT and 5500XT compared to Nvidia?

Looking at GDC, so far from AMD it does not look like anything out of the ordinary for talking about new GPU's:
https://schedule.gdconf.com/search-sessions/amd

Compared AMD's listed schedule to Nvidia's much more exciting one, a lot dealing with RT (a good thing) while AMD had zero:
https://schedule.gdconf.com/search-sessions/amd

Well If I went to GDC this year I know which party I would be sitting in. Of course a lot more can be added as time goes on.
I posted the following in another thread but

IDGI
Assuming the 5600XT matches the 2060, the $/performance based on MSRP, is actually better than Nvidia. And could be better still, dependant upon street prices.

AMD's stance on ray tracing is that its coming, but they aren't ready to talk about it yet. Which is fine. Because, if you want to talk about things with less than stellar performance, Nvidia's current Ray Tracing is it.
 

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:ROFLMAO:
Of course you had to wait for those things because at the time they were not out yet o_O.

Seems like you have some rather vague generalizations dealing with AMD users as well. AMD may concentrate on gaming performance and leave Nvidia to salvage RTX, put a lot of resources into it, load down the chips with a lot of RT cores which for many users and games will sit idle. Well for most games that is the case now. People, as in Nvidia users, play thousands of different types of games, not many have RTX. The past does may not indicate the next round in any case. Folks just need to buy the best card/gpu for their uses, by whoever.

I will probably end up with the high end from both companies as usual or something that actually makes sense. Turing was such a letdown from a $/perf prospective, poor feature support, misleading marketing -> If the past represent the future, I hope folks will enjoy the next round of Nvidia misleading marketing, prices and features that most folks leave off making that extra die space you paid for worthless and of course the initial round of mass card failures. Since the past may not be indicative of the future, I hope Nvidia kicks ass and has some brilliant stuff for us to play with. That goes for AMD as well.
Sour grapes do no change the sales numbers...
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Too much emotions in your and too little facts ;)
 

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Close to 2080 Ti performance, delivered in 2020, isn't really exciting unless it's $500-600. To me personally, anyway. And at this point with NVIDIA I'm waiting on the 3000 series, RTX is not worth the money for the upgrade.

I hope I am surprised.
 

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Sour grapes do no change the sales numbers...
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Too much emotions in your and too little facts ;)
lol, no sour grapes, some wine though. So with your above pie chart, 73% of Nvidia users and AMD users do not have RTX cards :rolleyes:, making RT pretty much useless at this time especially considering how really useless it is for the lower end RTX cards.

If you want to use Steam Stats then lets do it. RTX usage by the most popular games being played compared to Nvidia RTX game list straight from Nvidia below:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/20-series/rtx/

https://store.steampowered.com/stats said:
Top games by current player count
CURRENT PLAYERS PEAK TODAY GAME

393,526 780,679 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
335,934 508,173 PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS
331,478 539,569 Dota 2
172,999 237,784 MONSTER HUNTER: WORLD
102,958 150,275 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
99,739 159,117 Grand Theft Auto V
63,810 80,818 Destiny 2
55,867 71,117 Team Fortress 2
47,035 82,246 Rust
39,921 65,015 ARK: Survival Evolved
38,288 58,405 Warframe
33,551 62,426 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
32,648 47,481 Sid Meier's Civilization VI
31,109 74,140 Rocket League
28,962 58,672 Path of Exile
28,085 40,044 Terraria
27,571 67,394 Football Manager 2020
25,665 29,352 Stardew Valley
22,286 46,933 Garry's Mod
20,233 31,172 Red Dead Redemption 2
19,870 32,030 Sid Meier's Civilization V
19,568 51,872 Source SDK Base 2007
19,322 28,557 Dead by Daylight
18,310 31,274 Total War: WARHAMMER II
17,364 24,950 Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
17,193 20,372 Slay the Spire
17,157 22,836 Wallpaper Engine
16,540 22,907 7 Days to Die
15,694 25,966 PAYDAY 2
15,463 25,062 DRAGON BALL Z: KAKAROT
15,198 24,451 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition
14,462 28,739 Hearts of Iron IV
14,291 31,889 Arma 3
13,729 23,928 The Elder Scrolls Online
13,552 19,840 Unturned
13,469 20,622 Fallout 4
12,817 16,528 Left 4 Dead 2
12,727 18,439 NBA 2K20
12,630 17,594 RimWorld
12,250 16,853 Black Desert Online
12,021 17,961 Don't Starve Together
11,974 20,238 War Thunder
11,608 11,763 VRChat
11,341 17,541 Cities: Skylines
11,131 15,797 FINAL FANTASY XIV Online
10,730 21,408 Football Manager 2019
10,674 21,879 DayZ
10,576 15,288 ROMANCE OF THE THREE KINGDOMS XIV
10,289 23,797 Paladins
9,850 13,176 Assassin's Creed Odyssey
9,715 14,492 Stellaris
9,630 16,637 Conan Exiles
9,544 21,451 Europa Universalis IV
9,321 15,663 SMITE
8,879 33,154 Euro Truck Simulator 2
8,844 12,305 DARK SOULS™ III
8,782 16,666 Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition
8,494 14,866 Factorio
8,252 12,334 Dota Underlords
8,117 25,094 World of Tanks Blitz
8,055 18,079 Brawlhalla
8,014 15,165 Space Engineers
7,828 9,184 Risk of Rain 2
7,791 11,901 Divinity: Original Sin 2
7,516 11,623 World of Warships
7,373 9,238 Halo: The Master Chief Collection
6,822 13,123 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
6,797 11,663 Mount & Blade: Warband
6,666 8,973 PUBG: Test Server
6,295 19,769 Farming Simulator 19
6,284 11,776 Crusader Kings II
6,181 7,820 Sekiro™: Shadows Die Twice
5,955 8,097 Oxygen Not Included
5,743 8,132 Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Links
5,611 10,925 Age of Empires II (2013)
5,548 13,801 eFootball PES 2020
5,471 17,615 Counter-Strike
5,229 12,085 Spacewar
5,229 6,039 Kenshi
5,191 8,773 The Forest
4,910 8,250 No Man's Sky
4,772 9,055 Human: Fall Flat
4,724 5,704 NGU IDLE
4,645 8,502 Elite Dangerous
4,635 7,461 Dying Light
4,534 8,339 ATLAS
4,385 8,496 Company of Heroes 2
4,314 6,767 部落与弯刀
4,314 7,385 Raft
4,274 6,912 The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
4,249 5,062 Idle Champions of the Forgotten Realms
4,241 9,188 Total War: ROME II - Emperor Edition
4,164 4,924 Killing Floor 2
4,108 6,298 NBA 2K19
4,093 7,959 Bloons TD 6
4,038 7,053 MORDHAU
3,994 6,171 Borderlands 2
3,966 6,287 Grim Dawn
3,902 6,515 XCOM 2
3,900 7,008 The Isle
I don't see much RTX abled games being played. Frankly I can't pick out one of them but could be wrong, you can point out any if there are. Point is with today's games being played if one already has a 1080Ti then a 2080/2080 Super is pointless, a 1080/70 makes the 2060/2060Super worthless. Is it worth $1100+ for a 2080Ti if you already owned a 1080 Ti - I think the market is clear about that - it is not except for a few folks. There is your whole Nvidia marketing BS being brought to light. Now for those upgrading from a older generation Maxwell, Fury etc. The best buy from AMD I would say is the 5700Xt from Nvidia the 2070 Super. If you are a typical game player, then save the money and get the 5700XT, which the performance is rather close to the 2070 Super and save $100+.
 
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lol, no sour grapes, some wine though. So with your above pie chart, 73% of Nvidia users and AMD users do not have RTX cards :rolleyes:, making RT pretty much useless at this time especially considering how really useless it is for the lower end RTX cards.

If you want to use Steam Stats then lets do it. RTX usage by the most popular games being played compared to Nvidia RTX game list straight from Nvidia below:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/20-series/rtx/


I don't see much RTX abled games being played. Frankly I can't pick out one of them but could be wrong, you can point out any if there are. Point is with today's games being played if one already has a 1080Ti then a 2080/2080 Super is pointless, a 1080/70 makes the 2060/2060Super worthless. Is it worth $1100+ for a 2080Ti if you already owned a 1080 Ti - I think the market is clear about that - it is not except for a few folks. There is your whole Nvidia marketing BS being brought to light. Now for those upgrading from a older generation Maxwell, Fury etc. The best buy from AMD I would say is the 5700Xt from Nvidia the 2070 Super. If you are a typical game player, then save the money and get the 5700XT, which the performance is rather close to the 2070 Super and save $100+.
If you go down that fallacy path...all you need to do is take a look at AMD/NVIDIA GPU marketshare...and thus by your post...AMD's GPU's are an utterly failure:
NVIDIA: 80.51%
AMD: 11.89%



Meaning, if we go by your posts, AMD GPU's are a bigger "failure" than RT.
You cannot have your cake and eat it too...
Try again ;)
 

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Who says that?
The people buying Turing?
Not so much...first time I have heard this one...NVIDIA did not need to wait for Ampere to rule the high end.
Meanwhile AMD fans has been going through:
"Wait for DX12"
"Wait for Vega"
"Wait for Navi"
"wait for RNDA"....
See the pattern?
RTX is too slow/expensive, wait for Ampere is not uncommon.
Edit someone posted that in essence a few posts up lol. Does that not count? Its not an uncommon viewpoint.

But selectively choosing any example is fiddlesticks. Not everyone says what either of us said, I'm just using an example of the same shit for nvidia users which can be seen on occasion.

I bought Vega and am waiting for whatever is after Navi or MCM based GPUs, doesnt mean I'll tell others to do the same.
 

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Nice to know at some point AMD will release a higher performing card. I am more curious in what pricing structure AMD will be using compared to Nvidia, will it be more like the 5700XT/5700, or the less than stellar $/perf of the 5600XT and 5500XT compared to Nvidia?

Looking at GDC, so far from AMD it does not look like anything out of the ordinary for talking about new GPU's:
https://schedule.gdconf.com/search-sessions/amd

Compared AMD's listed schedule to Nvidia's much more exciting one, a lot dealing with RT (a good thing) while AMD had zero:
https://schedule.gdconf.com/search-sessions/amd

Well If I went to GDC this year I know which party I would be sitting in. Of course a lot more can be added as time goes on.
AMD has shown no interest in significantly discounting their products. They will obviously price big Navi against Ampere and not the almost 2 year old 2080 Ti.

My money is on big Navi sitting in the $700-$800 range to compete with the 3080. Now timing matters a lot. We have no idea if and when Ampere will make an appearance this year.

Thanks for sharing those GDC links. Nvidia is going hard on raytracing which I suppose isn't that surprising. AMD doesn't really have anything to call their own these days. Nvidia has RT, DLSS, VRS and mesh shaders. AMD has a lot of catching up to do on the features front too.
 

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That extra 50 watts is likely to make sure that every piece of silicon they ship as a 5700XT, maintains the target clock rate. Otherwise they would end up stockpiling a bunch of 5700XT which don't quite make it. And then what, dilute the product line with a slightly less performing product? Doesn't make sense. Especially not at launch. Again, they certainly have some room to improve, relative to the node size. But as far as product performance Vs. price, AMD is just fine.
My only real gripe on this one is that it matches the trend of intel/amd absolutely maxing out the silicon out of the box for the most part. There used to be a time where we could really put a hurt on an OC and push the silicon to yield significant gains, whereas now they are essentially doing that at retail. This is better for the average consumer, but for oldschool oc nerds, it's very demoralizing.
 

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If you go down that fallacy path...all you need to do is take a look at AMD/NVIDIA GPU marketshare...and thus by your post...AMD's GPU's are an utterly failure:
NVIDIA: 80.51%
AMD: 11.89%



Meaning, if we go by your posts, AMD GPU's are a bigger "failure" than RT.
You cannot have your cake and eat it too...
Try again ;)
Better look down to see what you are actually walking on or in, might be rather smelly :p

You do know AMD exceeded GPU's sold over Nvidia last year right? I can play the same game and show something like Console GPU market share and it would put Nvidia way behind AMD, even more so than AMD is behind Nvidia in the Discrete market.

This report does not even include the consoles and it shows AMD exceeding Nvidia in the PC market (NOT EVEN INCLUDING CONSOLE MARKET) for GPU's. Even AMD APU GPU's are used for gaming and are capable to a given degree (more so than Intel).
https://gfxspeak.com/2019/09/02/market-exceeds-nvidia/

So using your logic, once again, Nvidia is not king of the hill, third place overall. Add in consoles and one realizes where the developers will tend to flock, unless Nvidia pays them extra for features that no one wants, don't work right or just makes it a stuttering mess (Hairworks, RTX . . .).

Nvidia GeForce Partner Program I am tending to think was a desperation move because Turing, huge biggest GPU's ever produced, main feature was/is a Turd, Nvidia probably should have called it Turding instead. Look at Steams list of games being played and see how really important RTX is at this stage. Then consider for any games that supports RTX, how many actually use it with a smile on their face :(.
 

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Well at least they have the fastest selling console in their pocket with the Nintendo Switch. And last time I checked, mostly all Hollywood CGI renderings were done on Nvidia hardware. So Turing wasn't as successful because steam Knows ALL!!! Bullshit. There are plenty of ppl like myself that haven't been on steam in a year to take their damn survey.
And the only thing you pointed out with this childish rhetoric of yours is that Nvidia's last generation Pascal not only out Performs AMD's Navi, it out sells it too.
And leaks are already out by GDC Nvidia is introducing the 3080 and 3070 with the 3070 having the core count of the 2080Ti and outperforming it. And if rumor is true Nvidia is pulling a 980 series price drop for the second RTX series. So AGAIN Nvidia launches a new card and AMD's new card is going against the previous generation 20 series from Nvidia and by AMD's own words. Its the same shit every launch.

Look I kept walking into the AMD/ATI brick wall years ago thinking it was going to get better. (97-2004) AMD pissed me off cause still today drivers are not running any better back than as ATI. Fury was the one last hope and it took over a year and a half for the drivers to get even close to a 980Ti.
Great they are getting CPU market back. Whoopee doo. That took what? 10-12 years?

All I am saying is, you are NOT going to walk through that brick wall no matter how many time you keep walking into it telling yourself "AMD will get the gpu market." Just side step around it for now.
 

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Well at least they have the fastest selling console in their pocket with the Nintendo Switch. And last time I checked, mostly all Hollywood CGI renderings were done on Nvidia hardware. So Turing wasn't as successful because steam Knows ALL!!! Bullshit. There are plenty of ppl like myself that haven't been on steam in a year to take their damn survey.
And the only thing you pointed out with this childish rhetoric of yours is that Nvidia's last generation Pascal not only out Performs AMD's Navi, it out sells it too.
And leaks are already out by GDC Nvidia is introducing the 3080 and 3070 with the 3070 having the core count of the 2080Ti and outperforming it. And if rumor is true Nvidia is pulling a 980 series price drop for the second RTX series. So AGAIN Nvidia launches a new card and AMD's new card is going against the previous generation 20 series from Nvidia and by AMD's own words. Its the same shit every launch.

Look I kept walking into the AMD/ATI brick wall years ago thinking it was going to get better. (97-2004) AMD pissed me off cause still today drivers are not running any better back than as ATI. Fury was the one last hope and it took over a year and a half for the drivers to get even close to a 980Ti.
Great they are getting CPU market back. Whoopee doo. That took what? 10-12 years?

All I am saying is, you are NOT going to walk through that brick wall no matter how many time you keep walking into it telling yourself "AMD will get the gpu market." Just side step around it for now.

Lot of anger and hostility there, Also a lot of half-truths and bias. I know, right? All of those AMD GPUs are a figment of everyone's imagination. Sounds more like Intel there, actually. As far as VFX, most is rendered on "render farms" utilizing CPU because of RAM utilization. Guess which CPUs are at the top of the Rendering list? The best part is on the CPU progress. So all-in-all, an amusing and fanatical piece you have here.

Whopee doo..
 
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Well at least they have the fastest selling console in their pocket with the Nintendo Switch. And last time I checked, mostly all Hollywood CGI renderings were done on Nvidia hardware. So Turing wasn't as successful because steam Knows ALL!!! Bullshit. There are plenty of ppl like myself that haven't been on steam in a year to take their damn survey.
And the only thing you pointed out with this childish rhetoric of yours is that Nvidia's last generation Pascal not only out Performs AMD's Navi, it out sells it too.
And leaks are already out by GDC Nvidia is introducing the 3080 and 3070 with the 3070 having the core count of the 2080Ti and outperforming it. And if rumor is true Nvidia is pulling a 980 series price drop for the second RTX series. So AGAIN Nvidia launches a new card and AMD's new card is going against the previous generation 20 series from Nvidia and by AMD's own words. Its the same shit every launch.

Look I kept walking into the AMD/ATI brick wall years ago thinking it was going to get better. (97-2004) AMD pissed me off cause still today drivers are not running any better back than as ATI. Fury was the one last hope and it took over a year and a half for the drivers to get even close to a 980Ti.
Great they are getting CPU market back. Whoopee doo. That took what? 10-12 years?

All I am saying is, you are NOT going to walk through that brick wall no matter how many time you keep walking into it telling yourself "AMD will get the gpu market." Just side step around it for now.
ahmm, did you not click on the link -> AMD is selling more GPU's than Nvidia on the PC platform -> Yes Nvidia has sold more discrete card GPU's, whatever trips your trigger. As for Consoles PS4 dwarfs the Switch, XBox One X (not the XBox One) as sold over 40 million not counting XBox One which the Switch is a little over 40 million. Just numbers. That was an answer to the misguided assumption and narrow statistic presented earlier in the thread. It is good Nvidia finally was able to get a win in consoles, still over 5:1 if not more for AMD over Nvidia there. AMD has turn the tide in many areas with GPU's, may not be the particular GPU you or others are interested in but many are and sells have been increasing for awhile now for AMD. Not too many people know the performance or when AMD and/or Nvidia will release their next cards. Fun to guess and speculate but that is usually wrong.
 

MangoSeed

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Are people really quoting IGP numbers to argue which GPU architecture is most popular with consumers? Not sure if serious.
 

chameleoneel

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Nvidia has had a GPU in a major console, since the first Xbox. (Xbox, PS3, Switch). But, AMD has certainly taken most of the console space, since starting with only the Gamecube (Gamecube, 360, Xbone, PS4, Xbone X, XBSX, PS5).
And it seems like the relationships are good, because Sony switched over to AMD with PS4 and both MS and Sony are continuing with them for next gen. I think the only reason the Switch is Nvidia, is because AMD simply does not have anything for a product like Switch. Because otherwise, AMD did graphics for Gamecube, Wii, and Wii-U.
 

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Are people really quoting IGP numbers to argue which GPU architecture is most popular with consumers? Not sure if serious.
Why would that be an issue? The GPU in APU's are game able and for many games work just fine. Why must it be solely discrete? Over time, which they have, their capabilities continue to increase. If 1080p is the most common resolution, what is the next most common Steam gaming resolution? -> 1366x768 -> APU's have no issue at that resolution plus that resolution has about as many gamers as anything above 1080p. We are not talking about HardOCP member gaming rigs or norm but real world gaming in this case on the PC. There are literally thousands if not tens of thousands including many older classics that fly with an APU, some people do have very tight budgets or just get just as much fun on a good game not requiring all the bells and whistles.

That being said, AMD definitely shown weakness for many years now on discrete GPU's which I think they are doing much better in. Nvidia does not own the PC gaming market, I don't think any one company does at the moment. Just showing discrete GPU's and ignoring the rest can lead to very wrong conclusions is my jest. Plus it looks like AMD is playing thorn in Nvidia side, having something slightly better at a lower cost which is kinda amusing and fun to watch.

Now for me, the next discrete GPU high end will need to have HDMI 2.1 and hopefully DP 2.0 as well. Without those two standards, as in if AMD delivers a 5800+ GPU's and they do not have this capability they will probably get my middle finger because they will be virtually worthless to me. If Nvidia has HDMI 2.1 or DP 2.0 or both -> I will probably buy. Reason being is the monitor is probably even more important for the game play than the GPU. My dream monitor is a 120hz+ 5K -> only DP 2.0 would support that but HDMI 2.1 will support 4K nicely which I could probably go with as well. Reason for HDMI 2.1 overall is because I daisey chain my older cards down the chain of computers I have and one is in the living room and having a 4K QLED 120hz TV (future) I would want that support. Any high end GPU not offering those standards to me is a fail or more exactly not ready for me to buy yet.
 

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Why would that be an issue? The GPU in APU's are game able and for many games work just fine. Why must it be solely discrete?
Not an issue at all. Don’t forget to trumpet Intel’s GPU dominance while you’re at it. They do have over 60% of the market.
 

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Any DirectGMA or SR-IOV? Hopefully will be able to have 1 GPU per VM in a more elegant way soon. Seems the only way is Looking Glass software now.
 

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Any DirectGMA or SR-IOV? Hopefully will be able to have 1 GPU per VM in a more elegant way soon. Seems the only way is Looking Glass software now.
doubt that.

The most amd gave us is a word that radeon vii will be supported* pro drivers, (it didn't support sr-iov in the end - unless some1 successfully flashes with bios from mi50 - so far unsuccessful or too few attempts)
~noting some fury-x were successfully flashed pro ssg, duo, mi8 and got sr-iov.

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if any1 thinks amd or intel will just give out sr-iov or similar for free they should rethink it... amd, nv are selling a brand of their gpu's just for that. They are not keen to cannibalize their enterprise market.
Intel will do the same.
 
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Better look down to see what you are actually walking on or in, might be rather smelly :p

You do know AMD exceeded GPU's sold over Nvidia last year right? I can play the same game and show something like Console GPU market share and it would put Nvidia way behind AMD, even more so than AMD is behind Nvidia in the Discrete market.


This report does not even include the consoles and it shows AMD exceeding Nvidia in the PC market (NOT EVEN INCLUDING CONSOLE MARKET) for GPU's. Even AMD APU GPU's are used for gaming and are capable to a given degree (more so than Intel).
https://gfxspeak.com/2019/09/02/market-exceeds-nvidia/
By that metric Intel is the gaming leader...there is a reason why we don't include IGP's...

So using your logic, once again, Nvidia is not king of the hill, third place overall. Add in consoles and one realizes where the developers will tend to flock, unless Nvidia pays them extra for features that no one wants, don't work right or just makes it a stuttering mess (Hairworks, RTX . . .).

Nvidia GeForce Partner Program I am tending to think was a desperation move because Turing, huge biggest GPU's ever produced, main feature was/is a Turd, Nvidia probably should have called it Turding instead. Look at Steams list of games being played and see how really important RTX is at this stage. Then consider for any games that supports RTX, how many actually use it with a smile on their face :(.
You should stay away from stating what my logic is, Mr IGP-gamer...
 
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