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AMD64 Socket 754 (130nm) temps

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Could someone post their Socket 754 (130nm) temps along with your cooling system? If you know your core, please post that as well (Newcastle or Clawhammer).

At the moment I've been doing a great deal to my WC system, but my max temperature is still 45C.

I'm cooling a Socket 754 AMD64 3400+ (Newcastle 130nm)...
 
Socket 754 Clawhammer 3700+
from 2400MHz to 2544MHz, cooled with a Zalman CNPS7000B-Cu + Ceramique
Idle: 42C
Load: 54C

This is with a decently cooled case
 
I have the the 3400+ NewCastle also with a K8N4-E Deluxe motherboard. Running @ stock (200 x 12) with an Aerocool GT-1000 and I idle at ~28 and load at ~30 currently. My case is ridiculously well cooled and my room temperature in the winter is very low. In the summer I get upper 30's to mid-40's for the load, depending on what time of day.

They're just warm chips, I ran the 3400+ in my dorm without any air conditioning and in the summer it got up to 56 load, never had any official problems.

The stock coolers for the NewCastle/Clawhammers aren't really sufficient in my opinion, just because of how hot the chips run. I won the GT-1000 at a LAN. It's a beast, but it does a good job.
 
Thanks for the info..
ep1taph, could you post a range of your ambient temps when you get those CPU temp values?
 
AMD 64 3400+ Clawhammer (C0)
Gigabyte 3D Cooler - Ultra GT (all copper 4 heatpipe) PCU31-VH
Ambient room temp: 73-74F
Oc'd to 217x11 @ 1.6v
Idle temp 40C
Load temp 50C

My A64 3700+ Clawhammer (CG) which I swapped in to replace the 3400+ runs identically. Its oc'd to 215x12 @1.6v

The s754 Venice 3000+ in my sig runs 33C idle, 40C under load.
 
Using stock AMD heatsink on a Newcastle 3000+ stock, i get around 45C idle and 56C load. However, i'm not sure of the numbers since I may have installed the heatsink incorrectly (It was running cooler before i swapped motherboards 2 weeks ago). The ambient temperature is around 20C-22C since the computer is in the basement.

I will get the heatpipe cooler this evening from the UPS warehouse then i will give the results.

The specs of my computer is in my sig.
 
3700+ overclocked to 2.5ghz
Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 pro
30C idle, 40C under load
Antec tx840 case with only the rear 120mm fan
dunno the exact ambient temp, but its 58 outside, and it feels much warmer in my apartment, so I'd guess around 65-70
 
Xilicon - how do you like that MSI mobo? Are there good vcore adjustments available with that board? I'm considering a mobo swap myself. The DFI Infinity s754/PCI-e board looks good but so does the MSI. I'd be interested to hear your impressions of your mobo and see your oc results if/when you decide to do some oc'ing.

Nuc_E
I noticed you have the Gigabyte GA-K8NE. Have you had any trouble getting that board to go past 212 mhz on the fsb? I had one that wouldn't oc worth a crap and sent it back to Newegg. I was just wondering if you had the same problem. BTW - nice temps.
 
I didn't play with the settings too much... Did flash the bios one time last friday and the SATA drive got corrupted due to a bad floppy so it was a full reinstallation time. Since then, I made a clean backup with Acronis so i can play and restore if it get corrupted.

As i said, I will get the heatpipe cooler tonight then I will start toying with the things like vcore. However, I see a good list going up to 1.75 if my memory serve (those voltages are blinking red to warn the users it's not safe without a good cooling).
 
Thanks - please keep me posted on your progress. I'm limited to 1.55v on my Asus K8N4-E Deluxe mobo and it is making me crazy. I believe I could possibly get 2.7 - 2.8 out of my s754 3000+ Venice with the right mobo. The old bios in the Asus showed vcore adjustments all the way up to 1.65v but due to a glitch it would not adjust past .04v above stock. So I updated to the latest bioses (1010 & 1011 beta) and they slap a limit of 1.55v max. I just can't win with Asus. I love the board but the vcore limit is driving me nuts.
Thanks, man. I'll be eagerly awaiting to hear how it goes for you.
 
BigMacAttack said:
Xilicon - how do you like that MSI mobo? Are there good vcore adjustments available with that board? I'm considering a mobo swap myself. The DFI Infinity s754/PCI-e board looks good but so does the MSI. I'd be interested to hear your impressions of your mobo and see your oc results if/when you decide to do some oc'ing.

Nuc_E
I noticed you have the Gigabyte GA-K8NE. Have you had any trouble getting that board to go past 212 mhz on the fsb? I had one that wouldn't oc worth a crap and sent it back to Newegg. I was just wondering if you had the same problem. BTW - nice temps.
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I've had some issues with it. Originally, I thought it was my ram because I could only do 2600 if I dropped the memory down to the 133 divider, but even that eventually started to cause crashing. 208*12 seems to be running fine though at 1:1 (haven't had any stability issues yet, ran P95 overnight). I thought about getting something better and selling it, but at this point it isn't worth the hassle for an extra 100-200mhz. I would definately not purchase it again though.

I'm a little bit skeptical of the temps too. The Arctic Cooling heatsink is massive, and the fan is pointing directly out towards the 120 in the back, so that might help quite a bit. I can't quite remember what I got for temps with the retail HSF on my 8kda3j, but it wasn't too terribly high, maybe only several degrees C higher than what I am getting now. So its hard to say if my temps are being reported correctly.
 
ep1taph said:
I have the the 3400+ NewCastle also with a K8N4-E Deluxe motherboard. Running @ stock (200 x 12) with an Aerocool GT-1000 and I idle at ~28 and load at ~30 currently. My case is ridiculously well cooled and my room temperature in the winter is very low. In the summer I get upper 30's to mid-40's for the load, depending on what time of day.

They're just warm chips, I ran the 3400+ in my dorm without any air conditioning and in the summer it got up to 56 load, never had any official problems.

The stock coolers for the NewCastle/Clawhammers aren't really sufficient in my opinion, just because of how hot the chips run. I won the GT-1000 at a LAN. It's a beast, but it does a good job.
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56 load is not all that bad.
 
BigMacAttack said:
Thanks - please keep me posted on your progress. I'm limited to 1.55v on my Asus K8N4-E Deluxe mobo and it is making me crazy. I believe I could possibly get 2.7 - 2.8 out of my s754 3000+ Venice with the right mobo. The old bios in the Asus showed vcore adjustments all the way up to 1.65v but due to a glitch it would not adjust past .04v above stock. So I updated to the latest bioses (1010 & 1011 beta) and they slap a limit of 1.55v max. I just can't win with Asus. I love the board but the vcore limit is driving me nuts.
Thanks, man. I'll be eagerly awaiting to hear how it goes for you.
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Ok, I did some testing for your information and the Neo Platinum was able to get over 1.55 easily (I got up to 1.75v for a short time to see if it is doable). I guess the motherboard would be a good choice to get more OC from your Venice ;)
 
(rig in sig)@ stock
Idle 40C
load 56C(if i engage the "turbine" fan, otherwise it crashes and burns)
YES MY CASE SUCKS. getting a Lian-Li v2000 and H2O cooling soon
 
Sempron 754 3100+ Newcastle core @ 2340mhz, voltage?

34c idle, 45c full load

Using that new stock X2 heatpipe heatsink
 
Xilikon Gawd

Ok, I did some testing for your information and the Neo Platinum was able to get over 1.55 easily (I got up to 1.75v for a short time to see if it is doable). I guess the motherboard would be a good choice to get more OC from your Venice
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Thanks Xilicon. That sounds like the ticket! BTW how high does ram voltage go? 3.0v or better would be sweet. And how about ram dividers? Good selection or just the typical 400, 333, 266, 133, 100? TYpical would be ok but I'd like a couple more options if possible. Not a big deal as long as the ram voltage has some head room. I'm sure you can set cpu/HTT multipliers too.
Sorry for all the questions but I don't want to get bit again like I did when I got that lousy Gigabyte mobo.
 
Don't worry, i understand your situation. I got bitten myself with the Asus K8V as well (was in a hurry to get one when my other one died).

For the Vcore, the choices is not in voltage values but in % over default. There is 4 extra ones (3.3%, 5%, 7% and 10%). I'm running at 1.68v with 3.3% and 1.75v with 5%. For the RAM divider, it's 4 choices (100, 133, 166 and 200) but you can translate those values to ratios since if you select 200 and overclock the FSB to 240, the ram will be at 240 as well. There is also many nice options to tweak the memory. Didn't check the RAM voltage but there is a option to increase the voltage as well, probably up to 3v i believe.

For the multiplier and cpu speeds, there is a usual selection of 4x to cpu max in 1x increments. Speeds is in 1 MHz increments up to 400 i think.
 
Thanks. It looks like the vcore is still too light for me. My default vcore is 1.4 and 10% will only give me 1.54v which is where I am right now. I'll need more than that. I guess I'll have to investigate the Abit NV8 or the DFI Infinity nForce 4 4x mobo. I appreciate all your help.

BTW I know what you mean about the KV8. I have one here at work and it works ok for this system. At least I can get this 3700+ Clawhammer to 2.6 ghz.
 
BigMacAttack said:
Thanks. It looks like the vcore is still too light for me. My default vcore is 1.4 and 10% will only give me 1.54v which is where I am right now. I'll need more than that. I guess I'll have to investigate the Abit NV8 or the DFI Infinity nForce 4 4x mobo. I appreciate all your help.

BTW I know what you mean about the KV8. I have one here at work and it works ok for this system. At least I can get this 3700+ Clawhammer to 2.6 ghz.
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Be careful... If we use the normal math, 5% extra off 1.55v = 1.63v and cpu-z reported 1.75v so it's a bit weird. I think the % is off the 3.3v rail (5% of 3.3v + 1.55v = 1.715v, which seems more right).
 
Gotcha. but doesn't the cpu draw from the 12v rail? I'm unfamiliar with which part draws from which rail. Evidently their way of measuring is different from a straight voltage choice. According to your estimation my 1.4v stock setting would yield 1.73v @ 10% (3.3x.1+1.4 = 1.73v) which would be more like what I am looking for.
 
i would try to do some research on the voltage if you wish... I will be back with the results.

I'm using the 2.1 bios with my motherboard.
 
Back to topic...

With the new AMD heatpipe heatsink, my temps dropped to 46C under full load and 38C when idling. It's a big improvement over the stock AMD heatsink. Those temps are with my processor overclocked to 2,2 GHz at default voltage :)
 
FWIW:

Stock AMD cooler on Newcastle 3400 ~ 35 idle and it will hit 50c under load.

Shuttle with same chip ~ 41 idle and 46c under load.
 
BigMacAttack said:
Thanks - please keep me posted on your progress. I'm limited to 1.55v on my Asus K8N4-E Deluxe mobo and it is making me crazy. I believe I could possibly get 2.7 - 2.8 out of my s754 3000+ Venice with the right mobo. The old bios in the Asus showed vcore adjustments all the way up to 1.65v but due to a glitch it would not adjust past .04v above stock. So I updated to the latest bioses (1010 & 1011 beta) and they slap a limit of 1.55v max. I just can't win with Asus. I love the board but the vcore limit is driving me nuts.
Thanks, man. I'll be eagerly awaiting to hear how it goes for you.
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FYI

I've done some research that went up to BIOS disassembling. The K8N** series uses a chip to control the vcore upto 1.55V max. Imagine my surprise(and anger) when I found out I couldn't get any of that because ASUS got lazy and wanted to cut costs on these mobos.
 
Thanks man. I guess its time to upgrade to an Abit NV8. Here's what they answered me back when I asked a question concerning the NV8.
Dear Valued Customer,
Bios ID :10
Cpu core 1.500V~1.950V (0.020V) DDR Voltage 2.50V~3.20V (0.10V)
Nforce4-4X Voltage 1.50~2.00 (0.05V)


You may find a lot information in the Forum.
ABIT FORUM: http://forum.abit-usa.com/index.php?


Some of the basic Q&A you can find here:
http://www.abit-usa.com/faq/


All suggestions are assumed the motherboard is not overclocked and User's
manual has been read.
If you overclocked the system and experiencing problems, then you are at
your own risk.
We do not warranty products damaged by overclocking or any means beyond
specification.

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So here is what I am thinkng: I can get a s939 DFI nForce 4 mobo, Opteron 146 and Geil ram (recommended by DFI - 2-2-2-5 1T optimized for the nForce 4 chipset) for about $425 or I can get the Abit NV8 nForce 4 chipset mobo and the Geil ram for $213. My current setup uses a PCI-e Sapphire X800Pro VIVO video card so that's not an issue.
What do you think? I like the s754 hardware but an Opty 146 for s939 is a good system as well. I'm open for suggestion.
 
I am pretty shure that almost all your performance MOBO's
for 754 are a little off + or - 5 .with there own utility .
I have 3200 with DFI 250 UT ,and at 1.50 V , It's at 39c and 54c load.
 
CoW]8(0) said:
Thanks for the info..
ep1taph, could you post a range of your ambient temps when you get those CPU temp values?
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You mean room ambient temperatures or case ambient temperatures? Room is around 67F/20C on average this time of year and my remote/ambient temps inside of the case average around ~27-27. I have an aerocool masstige case, and with a 120mm fan in the front and back, it really creates a great tunnel for hot air to be moved through. The problem is near the top of the base. The motherboard is mounted upside-down, and the PCI cards and video cards get warm since there isn't much flow at all, but I haven't had problem with overheating on the video card (6600GT @ 560/1180).
 
BigMacAttack said:
Edit
So here is what I am thinkng: I can get a s939 DFI nForce 4 mobo, Opteron 146 and Geil ram (recommended by DFI - 2-2-2-5 1T optimized for the nForce 4 chipset) for about $425 or I can get the Abit NV8 nForce 4 chipset mobo and the Geil ram for $213. My current setup uses a PCI-e Sapphire X800Pro VIVO video card so that's not an issue.
What do you think? I like the s754 hardware but an Opty 146 for s939 is a good system as well. I'm open for suggestion.
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I would get the s939. The platform will last much much longer (till 2007) whereas the 754 will become obsolete when AM2 strikes, so therefore you'll have a wider upgrade range. The 5-10% improvements of running dual sticks of ram and the Opteron :)

And I'm thinking you will sell your current venice/asus/ram combo to get the rest of the money, is that so? If yes then you've got nothing to loose.
 
And I'm thinking you will sell your current venice/asus/ram combo to get the rest of the money, is that so? If yes then you've got nothing to loose.
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Correct. If I go s939 then I'll sell the K8N4-E Deluxe mobo, 3000+ Venice cpu, 3400+ Clawhammer cpu, ram and 2 stock fans. I should be able to get around half my investment back. If I just update to the NV8 I'll sell the mobo, 3400+ Clawhammer, ram and fans and get a higher percentage back.
I'm not too worried about the "obsolescence" of my present setup when M2 arrives, its been obsolete for at least a year now anyway. If I can get around 2.75ghz from this setup with a new mobo and some good ram then it will be worth upgrading. Plus I'm still on the lookout for the new s754 3200+ Venice and the 3400+ Venice cpu's which will hopefully be available soon. What I have serves me well and I don't see a huge improvement by going s939, except for the upgrade potential which is a serious consideration.
Thanks for the input, I'm still mulling :confused:
 
BigMacAttack said:
Correct. If I go s939 then I'll sell the K8N4-E Deluxe mobo, 3000+ Venice cpu, 3400+ Clawhammer cpu, ram and 2 stock fans. I should be able to get around half my investment back. If I just update to the NV8 I'll sell the mobo, 3400+ Clawhammer, ram and fans and get a higher percentage back.
I'm not too worried about the "obsolescence" of my present setup when M2 arrives, its been obsolete for at least a year now anyway. If I can get around 2.75ghz from this setup with a new mobo and some good ram then it will be worth upgrading. Plus I'm still on the lookout for the new s754 3200+ Venice and the 3400+ Venice cpu's which will hopefully be available soon. What I have serves me well and I don't see a huge improvement by going s939, except for the upgrade potential which is a serious consideration.
Thanks for the input, I'm still mulling :confused:
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Man, you surely do love your s754 :)

I'm not saying it's bad (heck, Semprons hit 2,8-3Ghz easily) but I'd probably jump right away at the oportunity of having newer stuff to play with, know what I mean?
 
I'd probably jump right away at the oportunity of having newer stuff to play with, know what I mean?
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I hear ya. Its just a lot more expense for not a lot more performance. I like to weight cost vs. performance. If it isn't worth it why bother?
 
BigMacAttack said:
I hear ya. Its just a lot more expense for not a lot more performance. I like to weight cost vs. performance. If it isn't worth it why bother?
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Hehe I am the same way. It's more of a cost to performance battle for me, not a "bigger better faster sold!" mentality.

Of course it's this kind of thinking that keeps me with a 3400+/6600GT! Hey, it runs stuff :)
 
If you ever decide to sell the 754 stuff, send me a PM since I might be interested in either the clawhammer or the venice (my old Newcastle would get a new home on my 2nd computer with the same Asus K8V and the same cheap Kingston Value ram). I'm willing to pay a good price.

However, If I were you, keep the same cpu and get a new motherboard since a new one would be pretty cheap. Then hold out till it's far enough with AM2 before upgrading. That will be my current plan.
 
Xilikon Gawd

If you ever decide to sell the 754 stuff, send me a PM since I might be interested in either the clawhammer or the venice (my old Newcastle would get a new home on my 2nd computer with the same Asus K8V and the same cheap Kingston Value ram). I'm willing to pay a good price.

However, If I were you, keep the same cpu and get a new motherboard since a new one would be pretty cheap. Then hold out till it's far enough with AM2 before upgrading. That will be my current plan.
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I'm with you, Xilicon. I'm ordering the Abit NV8 today along with some GeIL GLX1GB3200DC 1GB Kit DDR400 PC3200 Dual Channel Ultra-X Series ram (2-2-2-5 1T timings for $135 at Zipzoomfly) which is optimized for the nForce 4 chipset so the K8N4-E Deluxe, 3400+ Clawhammer, 1gb (2x512) Ultra DDr400 ram and new heatsink from the Venice will be going up for sale. I know the ram says its dual channel but DFI recommended it for their s754 Infinity mobo so it must be good stuff. The only other ram I'd consider is the Crucial Ballistix with 2-2-2-6 1T timings for $105 at Newegg.
I have found that when running the 3400+ Clawhammer the 1003 bios version for the mobo is best as it allows for a vcore of 1.54 as reported by CPU-z. The newer bios versions (1007 and above) only show 1.52v in CPU-z. I was able to get 2.4 ghz from the Clawhammer and it ran HLDM and HL2DM just fine. I'll flash the bios back to bios version 1003 or 1005 and install the cpu in the mobo when its time to sell it. I'll keep you posted.
 
Well after some final modifications and even a CPU block change, temperatures are almost identical to before.

Idle: 37-38C
Load: 44-45C
@Stock Socket 754 3400+ Newcastle (130nm)
Ambient: 23C

Loaded with Prime95 stress test. (IMO, it gives the CPU the highest temps possible, unlike other programs)

I've come to the conclusion that my chip can't be lower without any 'below ambient' cooling solution such as a peltier or phase change. The 130nm cores just run a bit hotter than their 90nm Venice counterparts (no big surprise). And I'm also not accounting for the unknown uncertainty range of the CPU diode. After much debugging of my WC system, I've narrowed one of the most likely problems to be bad contact between the WB and CPU due to perhaps a concavity in the IHS. But other than that, I've learned to accept this max temp since it seems to be the best possible.

Plans to overclock are in the near future, after I get everything sorted out. That should give me a better indication of my cooling system ;)

If anyone else has load temps to post, please feel free. I'm always interested.

But IMO, you should probably load with Prime95 (stress test for at least an hour) to eliminate that as a variable.
 
I'll be doing some testing after I get my new setup sorted out. I went with the Abit NV8 mobo and some Crucial Ballistix ram (2-2-2-6 1T from Newegg). So far I've gotten to 265x10 @ 1.60v bios (1.63v CPU-z) with mem settings of DDR266 @ 3.00v, 3-3-3-8 2T. Superpi is a slow 41 sec and I haven't done any Prime testing as yet. I'm seeing a few guys hitting 32-34 sec on Superpi but my best ever was at 256x10 when it got 37 sec. this system has never tested well on Superpi. My 3700+ Clawhammer at work goes 35 sec. @ 215x12.

Once I get everything all sorted out my Asus K8N4-E Deluxe and 3400+ Clawhammer (C0) will go on sale. I just want to wait a little while to make sure I don't blow something up. :D
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
why am i not surprised? :D
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=880183
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Actually, that's very interseting, could you make a data table (eg: ambient, idle, load, fan status, etc) and update it after each step taken to make it easier to read?

...I've also noticed that when I startup from a completely cold system (ie PSU completely turned off), my CPU temps are WAY off (by about 20C). But when I reboot, the temps begin displaying much more reasonable values.

But IIRC, according to the AMD tech docs, the thermal diode is on die and read via through two specific pins on the CPU. I believe the calibration is done by the motherboard. IIRC, the CPU itself handles overheat shutdown.
 
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