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there are quiet a few people around here and everywhere really that need to watch this.
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amd vs nv why all the hate?!
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yeah there was a "rivalry" but it was never as nasty as its gotten over the last few years.
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Yes I've seem some pretty hardcore fanboi's and haters
We need competition to push performance, I always have had a soft spot for the underdog. Remember, nvidia was the underdog, sure the have done well but you that's what you hope. The market has consolidated, so it's more polarizing now.
I still root for AMD vs. Intel, remembering fondly my AYHJA Y stepped Athlon that I hit 1.6ghz on air with a OCZ dominator HSF that sounded like a turbine. I still have it, although I fried it trying to put a thermistor straight on the die
oh to be young...
We need competition to push performance, I always have had a soft spot for the underdog. Remember, nvidia was the underdog, sure the have done well but you that's what you hope. The market has consolidated, so it's more polarizing now.
I still root for AMD vs. Intel, remembering fondly my AYHJA Y stepped Athlon that I hit 1.6ghz on air with a OCZ dominator HSF that sounded like a turbine. I still have it, although I fried it trying to put a thermistor straight on the die
oh to be young...
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Yes I've seem some pretty hardcore fanboi's and haters
We need competition to push performance, I always have had a soft spot for the underdog. Remember, nvidia was the underdog, sure the have done well but you that's what you hope. The market has consolidated, so it's more polarizing now.
I still root for AMD vs. Intel, remembering fondly my AYHJA Y stepped Athlon that I hit 1.6ghz on air with a OCZ dominator HSF that sounded like a turbine. I still have it, although I fried it trying to put a thermistor straight on the die
Remember the pencil lead trick?
The good old days!
Yeah, though I was late to the party. The early Bartons (and all the mobile variants) were factory unlocked.
Remember when there were graphics cards before nVidia and ATI? Most of you are probably too young to remember (yes, my old fogey hat is firmly atop my head).
Remember when AMD was praised to high heaven here by the staff? If not, you either have very short memories or, again, you're too young to remember.
Remember when AMD was praised to high heaven here by the staff? If not, you either have very short memories or, again, you're too young to remember.
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Youngins. I remember when it was Rendition vs 3dfx vs PowerVR...
And before that, when we debated S3 ViRGE vs Cirrus Logic for 2d acceleration... The early days of Coppermine vs Thunderbird, or even the PII vs K6-2... Lord.
Seriously, this has happened so many times over the years. Each generation goes through it, learns that it doesn't really matter ~all~ that much, and learns - then we sit and watch as people get silly a few years later when it happens again.
Buy what works for you, buy what you like, and run with it. By now I've had so many different video cards, motherboards, and CPUs that it's silly - I buy what fits budget/needs/functions well when I need to.
Because people weren't trying to justify $1000 GPU's back then.
It's all cyclical. Hell, I had an NV1 at one point. And various forms of the Rage cards. And so on and so on. Tbird, Tbred, Barton... Katami, CuMine, Northwood...
Dude this is humanity
Ford vs Chevy
"PC" vs Apple
PC vs console
PS4 vs Xbox One
and of course
Palestine vs Israel
grtitan
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Rendition Verite! Too soon man, have some compassion!
Now, on the current "hate" situation, in my particular case, I really hate how monopolistic NV behavior is, like pushing proprietary crap, not playing along with open standards or anti-consumers practices, like blocking their card from working if the customer wanted to use them as physx processors and the AMD card as a GPU, or the telemetry crap in both the drivers and GeForce exp. Not to mention, forced sign in for the mentioned geforce crap.
Mind you, my last 4 cards were NV, currently have a 970, but again, because of their constant shenanigans, I have developed a deep hatred for them and my next card will be an AMD.
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At the time I got my Asus DirectCUII GTX 670 SOC 4GB it was a great card in that era, certainly on a level to compete with the HD7970 GE. Now my ideal card to replace it, based on affordability and performance is a RX470 Nitro 4GB. Same price as a 1050ti where i'm from and the 1050ti has no chance against the 470
Insanely, I had all three - and on the Verite side, I had the V1000 AND the 2100. Loved those cards... lord the 2d performance SUCKED, but Vquake? woo hoo!
And wtf is it with signing in to get drivers - ?!?
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You want everyone to like what you bought because that makes you feel better about what you bought.
You dont want the new thing to be better because it would reduce the value of what you bought.
Worse when its not the manufacturer that you chose.
Even worse when your manufacturer gets thrashed long time.
Even worse when your manufacturer also has basic functionality issues.
Even worse when you follow the manufacturers hypists.
Even worse when they lie through their teeth and you fall for it.
Its like choosing a family to live with.
For some ...
grtitan
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Nvidia forces you to create an account or log in with your facebook account before you can use the Geforce experience, which is needed for shadowplay, automatic game optimization and auto updates. Besides that, it installs some telemetry services to gather even more data from you.
If you decide to give them the finger and manually install their drivers, they still install the telemetry crap.
Luckily, it can be removed, but you will have to do it every time you update the drivers and besides, that is just not ok, since a driver has SYSTEM access to your OS, so it is very risky and who knows what the hell they are collecting.
So no, AMD it is for me for my next round.
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If you think AMD isn't collecting random metadata from you while you play, you're sorely mistaken.
grtitan
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I know for a fact that nvidia does, but i dont have any info on AMD doing it, do you have a link to prove it?
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If you use the internet then everyone is capturing your metadata. Use your head.
Don't forget Orchid Technology and Matrox. That Matrox Mystique clown will haunt me for life. The G400MAX was okay, it had "environment mapped bump mapping" but only a few games supported it (I remember playing the crap out of Rollcage Stage II). I had Cirrus Logic in my 486 DX2 66; wish I kept all my old hardware.
Heh, played with a G400 for a bit at one place, but it was installed for video editing (swapped a Riva TNT for it, as the guy needed the video gear not the 3d acceleration). He was happy, I was happy, win/win. I still remember the GeForce 3 and seeing bump mapping for the first time that I owned - made me SO happy.
I still miss my 486. Upgraded it (my first upgrade) to a 6x86 PR90 (eh). I went through a lot of gear back in those days. Never had Orchid, but I did have a Number 9, the PowerVR, a whole slew of 3dfx cards (Voodoo 1/2/Rush/Banshee/3) that went through my systems. I liked trying different things...
Maybe you should stop using windows too, cause MS does this ever time you update Windows 10, unless you are still on Windows 7? You don't need to log into an email account but shit we don't have any idea of what info they are collecting from our comps, not only that, to Install Windows 10 if you read that EULA, its a bit more comprehensive then any other software EULA I've ever seen and gives permissions to MS to see what you are doing.
There are only two sides in this conflict.
The forces of light [AMD], and the forces of darkness [nvidia].
And the only proper ending is not peace, but destruction. We of the forces of light must smite our enemies and cast their ruin upon the mountainside like Gandalf cast off the Balrog.
The forces of light [AMD], and the forces of darkness [nvidia].
And the only proper ending is not peace, but destruction. We of the forces of light must smite our enemies and cast their ruin upon the mountainside like Gandalf cast off the Balrog.
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Only your graphing calculator is truly safe from watchdog software
i like where this is going. Really the battle should be fought in graphically demanding team video games with [amd] and [nvidia] clan tags
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I have to agree, with the destruction bit.
Its a bloody tough game and I really wish AMD could pull it together because competition is needed.
But I stopped using them because of their sheer ineptitude to get even basic functions working right, that I had to buy an NVidia card and instantly had an easy time again.
Since then AMD havent brought out a card that can match the performance of what I bought 1.5 years ago, and that wasnt even top of the range!
There arent any reasons I would buy AMD atm, and even if they did perform on par, I dont trust their driver support.
Maybe they can fix it, I dunno.
grtitan
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Talking about using your head, there is a huge difference between a browser and a driver with direct acces to the OS, but perhaps your head cant understand that.
Got you, my bad for misunderstanding.
And who says thats not the case for me already?
I am using W10 in my gaming pc, but thats all i do on that machine, with no access to the rest of my network, since i dont trust it, the rest is done in Linux (Solus currently).
Cool, well for me, I don't care cause there is nothing sensitive that will hurt me or others on my systems anyways, well if MS or nV wants to "steal" info from my work, that is different but really I don't see them doing crap like that, if they do, they will have a multi billion dollar corporation to fight, just seems a bit ridiculous to think they would venture so far to do something.
It's ok, we just need the profits from ryzen to start coming in so Raja can poach more gpu engineers and start releasing full lineups of gpus closer together rather than every other year for high and low end. And then the true push will come. More funding for day 1 benchmark numbers, more and more, always more.
The ryzen apus next year will be critical, the target will be able to run many games on a notebook integrated gpu at near 60fps. If it can do that without a discreet gpu, that can be a go to budget gaming sku without gimped cpu performance. The laptop space is where nvidia cannot follow with the same strength (i.e. cost), ryzen is key, Raja needs to staple the gpu wars onto that dragon and explode nuclear bombs as the thrust. More power, more scale and marketshare. No breaks, this war can only end in blood, not coexistence.
ALL markets are like that when they mature
and to come back from where they are now (AMD) is not easy, its not one or two years, its like multiple years, it took them multiple years to get down to where they are, expect it to take twice as long to get back to where they need to be to properly compete with nV and Intel *nV can be sooner though.
grtitan
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I dont have anything to hide either, but i cannot agree to that crap either, on principles alone.
The problem is, everything trasmited back is encrypted and only ms and in this case also, nv knows what they are really collecting, so it will be hard for anyone to sue them.
I don't think they are that malicious, in any case, if they are, they will be caught, there is no such thing as an encryption that can't be broken lol. So far all I've seen or read about, are things to help them focus their business on future products and sustain current products.
The only thing that can really generate dislike toward either company is the proprietary functions or settings in games and some of that can be put on the developers as well. I mean if a hot new game takes Nvidia's $$ and implants "Hairworks" (for example) and advertise "How it's meant to be played" blah blah blah.
Or if they intentionally code the game to run like shit on a competitor's product.
Or if they intentionally code the game to run like shit on a competitor's product.
Prime 1 ring a bell?
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I used to be a fan of AMD but nowadays I just go for the best value card, drivers on both camps have been solid too. I remember Nvidia doing a lot of things back then in order to have their cards appear superior, like specific drivers for Crysis where some things weren't rendered to increase performance, or when they cried over Assassin's Creed DX 10.1 patch. I remember when Ageia PhysX first out, ha, and a cfg edit that you do to enable PhysX without the card in Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon, Advanced War Fighter.. AMD had really bad power/heat management with their cards, driver support, I think also very poor anistropic rendering. My memory's fuzzy so I might be mistaken.
I've never understood the rabid fanboyism for tech products. While I have mostly used Nvidia, I bought an AMD 390 for my GF's PC because at the time it was the best performance vs price deal. Likewise I use a Macbook Pro for work, iPad as a tablet but Windows on PC and Android as phone.
Just make an educated choice and buy what you feel best represents your needs. If you feel like your choice is good, recommend it to others but don't do it by foaming at the mouth and bashing the competing product.
Just make an educated choice and buy what you feel best represents your needs. If you feel like your choice is good, recommend it to others but don't do it by foaming at the mouth and bashing the competing product.