amd to intel perfromance questions

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Bman123

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I have a 64x2 5000+ now and I would like to know how much of a performance increase I'll get by switching.
I want to go intel since my cpu is holding me back at my res of 1280x768.I want my framerate to increase and I heard I need a better cpu to do so.
I need to get a new case,mobo,ram,OS,and cpu hsf but I am on a budget of $500
I can use my old mouse KB,monitor,speakers,psu and video card.
Please help me make a list of the best parts for this since I am buying piece by piece.I don't know what all is compatible with each other and I will not be doing any cpu OC'ing I want to run it stock.
 
I can't see why you aren't getting great frame rates with an 8800GT and a 1280x768 resolution. What motherboard do you have? Which games are you playing? Have you even tried overclocking the X2 5000+? (If so, is that why you don't want to overclock now?)

If you really want a new Intel system, here's one possibility:

$45 - Cooler Master Centurion 534 ATX mid-tower case
$100 - Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L P43 ATX motherboard
$130 - Intel Core 2 Duo E7200
$72 - pqi TURBO 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 800 dual channel kit
$100 - Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit OEM
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$447 - Subtotal (not including shipping or taxes)

It will run better than your current setup due to the fact that you're using newer technology. However, the appeal of this setup is that the E7200 can be easily overclocked to 3GHz or higher. (There are guides, both here and elsewhere, that can show you how to safely overclock your processor.)

I didn't include a separate HSF because the retail E7200 comes with one. That, and you said that you were running the CPU at stock speeds. If you want a better CPU cooler (or, you want to overclock), go with the Xigmatek HDT-S963 or the HDT-S1283 (and get the retention bracket that makes mounting them easier -- and use the promo code HARDOCP6230FS to get free shipping on the mounting bracket).
 
I can't oc my current cpu.It is a gateway gt5476e comp I bought it at BB.It has a stock mobo and the cpu isn't the black edition.
I can run lost planet demo at it's default settings and get 60fps,cod4 between 60-90 and crysis from 10-40fps.I have heard that my cpu is holding back my FR at my res.At a lower res you need a better processor right?
thanks for the list I will look up reviews on all that stuff and see what people have to say about it.Is there any reason to go with the e7200 instead of a q6600
 
Your CPU is a big bottleneck even at 2.7GHz as I used to have.
You will find that clocking the card has no effect so you are losing a lot of potential.

I'm now running practically everything at 1920x1080 res really well with an 8800GT (20% clocked) and an E8400.
Even Crysis is ok with the CCC level 3 mod, sustaining over 30fps
I'm playing Mass Effect with all settings maxed and get a sustained 60fps with vsync on at 1080p !!
 
A good way to find out if your GPU or CPU limited:

First drop the resolution to as low as it will go, and turn all settings on low. You may even be able to tweak the game to stop rendering some objects, and really drop the graphics quality. If your frame rates don't improve whatsoever, then your CPU/platfrom is limiting your performance. So you would then know, that upgrading your GPU will not bring that game to playable levels.
However, if you find that by lowering your settings to such a disgusting degree, actually brings the game to a playable level. Then an upgrade of the GPU will let you turn the settings up, and your CPU should remain up to the task.
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benchmark with 8800gt at 600-1512-900
Lost planet stock 8800gt default benchmark settings snow 50 Cave 36 fps
lost planet stock 8800gt low benchmark settings Snow 84 Cave 38

now benchmark with 8800gt OC to 721-1780-999
Lost planet OC 8800gt default bench settings Snow 56 Cave 36
Lost planet oc 8800gt low bench settings Snow 91 Cave 38

Now i have my new rig I decided to do the lost planet benchmark again and see what my differences are now with the new rig.

Lost planet on default setting with my rig all at stock Snow avg 109, Cave 61
I gained alot from the new rig compared to my old 64x2 5000+ cpu and 8800gt
Snopw I get 43 more fps cave I get 25 more fps.I am very happy now
 
Bman123 said:
ok well you kinda confused me danny bui with your statement so I decided to run the lost planet becnhmark with my 8800gt stock and oc so here is the results.

benchmark with 8800gt at 600-1512-900
Lost planet stock 8800gt default benchmark settings snow 50 Cave 36 fps
lost planet stock 8800gt low benchmark settings Snow 84 Cave 38

now benchmark with 8800gt OC to 721-1780-999
Lost planet OC 8800gt default bench settings Snow 56 Cave 36
Lost planet oc 8800gt low bench settings Snow 91 Cave 38
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Looks like Nenu called it...

Nenu said:
Your CPU is a big bottleneck even at 2.7GHz as I used to have.
You will find that clocking the card has no effect so you are losing a lot of potential.
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Bman123 said:
I can't oc my current cpu.It is a gateway gt5476e comp I bought it at BB....
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Thats too bad. So, I wonder if you can upgrade that board? cuz your CPU should still OC nicely with good air cooling. It may not be as good as an intel chip, but it should be a cheaper upgrade. Up to you. If you get the intel setup tiraides listed, you can sell your old amd parts to help offset the cost.
 
Moving to an Intel setup like tiraides listed seems to be the best choice. BTW you don't need new RAM. The 2x1GB DDR2 667 RAM your comp has is perfectly fine if you're not overclocking. Could use the money saved and upgrade the CPU even further to an E8400.
 
what would be better a e8400 or a q6600?
If i should get a dual core instead then I should get the e7200 since it is $60 cheaper and I can just oc it to the 8400 speed right?
well if I keep the ram then I will only have to get cpu,mobo,case,and OS.I can reuse my psu,monitor,KB mouse and speakers.
 
The E8400 can reach higher speeds than the Q6600. There aren't many games that can properly utilize a quad-core processor, so you're probably better off sticking with a dual-core processor.

As to which dual-core to get: If you're not going to overclock, use the savings from the RAM and get the E8400. If you want to overclock, the E7200 (and DDR2 800 or DDR2 1000 RAM) would be the better choice for your money. (If you intend on overclocking, get one of the two CPU coolers that I mentioned earlier.)
 
E8400 would be better than Q6600 for your needs. And yes you can easily overclock the E7200 to ~3.2Ghz without pushing your RAM past spec. E7200 @3.2Ghz is about equal to stock E8400 in gaming due to the difference in L2 cache. Like Tiraides said, with better memory and cooling you can push the E7200 even further.
 
yeah I dont think I am gonna want to spend the cash on better ram and cooling.
So I should get the e8400 then.How big of a performance difference do you think i'll see from my current cpu to a e8400 in gaming?
so my total would be $435 with the above parts listed by using the ram money to cover the extra cpu cost.Can I use that board later to upgrade to a quad core if needed? THanks I will be ordering the case next saturday
 
Yes; the motherboard that I recommended can support all Core 2 Duo/Quad processors. However, I doubt that you'll need a quad core any time soon.

As for estimated performance, check out these benchmarks from bit-tech. Though they're not "ideal" comparisons -- the X2 5000+ isn't used, and the resolutions they test at are higher than what you're using -- they show that the E8400 is better than any (non-Phenom) processor AMD has at this moment.

Here are some benchmarks for the E7200 from HotHardware. The E8400 is also included as a comparison point, and it has scores for a stock E7200 as well as an overclocked E7200.
 
You will be delighted, especially if you overclock the card.
A good C2D brings the best out of the 8800 series cards.
 
And in order to compete against Wolfdale, AMD K8 processors should run at 40% faster frequency, which is simply impossible today.
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Take a look at these charts. When you are CPU limited, you can see that E8400 shows about 70% increase in FPS compared to X2 5000+.
 
wow that crysis benchmark is the icing on the cake for me.Shit it gets 30 fps more then my 5000+ and those benchies are stock speeds.Well time for me to buy parts thankyou so much guys. In what order would you buy the parts from the above list.I don't wanna get something and have it have a huge price drop in august.I can spend $100 or so this weekend so should I get the mobo or the case
 
wait as long as you can, buy when you can't wait any longer.

if buying in increments, get stuff that you can use with your current setup first... eg, a case.
 
I won't use any of it in my current set-up.I want to get all the parts so I can have the IT guy at my job to build it for a bottle of captain morgan.
This also just turned into a whole new build.The only thing I will salvage from the old machine is gonna be my 8800gt and my ea500d.I will just sell my current rig complete back to stock form for $200 on craigs list or something.Time to go hot deals shopping
 
They used an 8800ultra in that test.I just did the ghillied up mission and stayed around 40-60fps
In crysis the e8400 blows it out of the water as in the other benchies posted above.
 
Bman123 said:
wow that crysis benchmark is the icing on the cake for me.Shit it gets 30 fps more then my 5000+ and those benchies are stock speeds.Well time for me to buy parts thankyou so much guys. In what order would you buy the parts from the above list.I don't wanna get something and have it have a huge price drop in august.I can spend $100 or so this weekend so should I get the mobo or the case
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If you can't get everything at once, buy the case first. You'll need the motherboard and processor, however, if you want your new system running right away. (If the Gateway system you have uses DDR1 memory, you'll also need DDR2 RAM for your new system.)

The motherboard may eventually drop in price, but I don't know if/when that will happen or how much the price drop is going to be.
 
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